Nintendo Switch Online NES games for April 2019 revealed

Vivisector · Apr 4, 2019

Whatever happened to that leak that showed SNES games might be coming? I was kind of hoping for that but it's been awhile and we're still only getting NES games.

eyeliner · Apr 4, 2019

Snugglevixen said:
https://arstechnica.com/information...mployees-across-japanese-video-game-industry/
https://sgcafe.com/2017/06/former-k...-blacklisted-across-japanese-gaming-industry/
https://www.giantbomb.com/articles/report-reveals-restrictive-and-hostile-working-con/1100-5251/

Thanks

thekarter104 · Apr 4, 2019

the_randomizer said:
Lol Nintendo would never put that much effort in their emulators.

Good luck with the PlayStation Classic.

ut2k4master · Apr 4, 2019

Vivisector said:
Whatever happened to that leak that showed SNES games might be coming? I was kind of hoping for that but it's been awhile and we're still only getting NES games.

maybe around the 1 year anniversary of nso

thekarter104 · Apr 4, 2019

Vivisector said:
Whatever happened to that leak that showed SNES games might be coming? I was kind of hoping for that but it's been awhile and we're still only getting NES games.

This is just one of the reasons why I don't trust the following: Leaks, rumors and speculation.
I always immediately close the browser (yes, I hate it that much).
It might be just me. If not, deal with it.

ut2k4master · Apr 4, 2019

thekarter104 said:
This is just one of the reasons why I don't trust the following: Leaks, rumors and speculation.
I always immediately close the browser (yes, I hate it that much).
It might be just me. If not, deal with it.

its real though. if you get an older version of the nes app you can check it yourself

Deleted User · Apr 4, 2019

Snes was datamined

kuwanger · Apr 4, 2019

Sonic Angel Knight said:
Star Solder = Another shooting game "SUPPLIED" buy Konami (No it wasn't made by them but they currently own rights to) and they already have Twinbee and Gradius, what's next? Life Force?

I like shoot'em ups, but I agree. I'd much prefer they took something like Blade Buster, find the developer behind that to flesh it, and then release that for everyone. Or take the games for the PC Engine and release them. There's just way too much flicker on the NES, and honestly shoot'em ups are a dime a dozen.

Sonic Angel Knight said:
It probably wouldn't make sense for capcom to license that which may conflict sales of an existing product.

Capcom licensed Mega Man 2 and plenty of other titles to the Super Retro-Cade (one of the many consoles that pirate Snes9x). At this point, like Konami it's more about being a rights holder trying to make a quick buck*, not about any sort of sense or strategy.

* I'm actually not entirely against this, as it's the reason I now legitimately have so many old console and arcade games. It's just, I wish Nintendo, Sony, etc along with rights holders (won't really call them game companies) pushed more for (1) recognition of the legality of emulation, (2) actually supported Retroarch or similar, and (3) wasn't trying to sell people the same game in an emulator n times when there's no legal reason people shouldn't be able to buy it once and play it anywhere. It's just shitty vendor lock-in.

What I find especially stupid is precisely that there are an ungodly number of games if you include all systems and arcades, offering plenty of "free money" even if it does have a finite limit (I don't even want all Nintendo games, let alone from other developers). I guess that's the fear: at some point Nintendo might have to actually work for the money instead of printing it. If Nintendo were smart, though, they would have taken all that "free money" (at more reasonable prices) to develop new games for quasi-8bit, quasi-16bit, etc systems--something a lot easier to develop for but sufficiently limited in design to work in a quasi-vm on current and future systems. Instead, they take the money for granted and have turned it into a subscription service to get it. *sigh*

Davidchao23 · Apr 4, 2019

the_randomizer said:
I mean, literally anything would be better than NES games at this point.

Being able to pick and choose what games to buy is sure as hell better than being force-fed set games that only trickle out three bloody games per month.

Ooh three NES games, how exciting!

You do make a point about that. Not being able to choose what NES game we have is pretty annoying. However the price for NES games on the VC is pretty dumb. Considering that I'm not too dedicated to playing or emulating NES games, I don't really mind at all about how they're doing it

Sonic Angel Knight · Apr 4, 2019

kuwanger said:
Capcom licensed Mega Man 2 and plenty of other titles to the Super Retro-Cade (one of the many consoles that pirate Snes9x). At this point, like Konami it's more about being a rights holder trying to make a quick buck*, not about any sort of sense or strategy.

I don't know much about this super retro cade you mentioned, but my point was they didn't want a situation like what exist on Nintendo 3DS. Where on eshop they have all 6 nes mega man games to download as part of "Virtual console" but also able to buy "Mega Man legacy Collection" On the same system. That's why I said "Conflicting Sales"

If they put mega man games on the switch nes online, then it would be counter productive for capcom to sell Mega man legacy collection which offers those games already. Konami Announced Contra and castlevania collections recently, so now I don't expect to see such games featured for switch nes online either, even though it was already on NES CLASSIC and would have been nice to have day one for switch nes.

Probably one of the reasons why "Virtual console" as a brand didn't continue to the switch. Each company that usually license the games to nintendo are marketing their own compilation of games.

Sega classics collection, Sega Ages
SNK 40 anniversary collection, Samurai Showdown Collection
Capcom has both Mega man and Mega man X collection & Street fighter 30 anniversary collection
Namco museum 50 anniversary collection
Konami's recent announcement of contra and castlevania collection, (who knows a turbo graphix 16 collection with shooters may come too)

And let's not forget the generous amount of arcade ports thanks to Hamster corporation. Now that I think about it, seems like everyone celebrates anniversaries with nostalgic cash grab compilations.

kuwanger · Apr 4, 2019

Sonic Angel Knight said:
Where on eshop they have all 6 nes mega man games to download as part of "Virtual console" but also able to buy "Mega Man legacy Collection" On the same system. That's why I said "Conflicting Sales"

The did something similar for the Wii. Mega Man on VC or you could buy the Mega Man Anniversary Collection (admittedly for the GC, but it's backwards compatible). You see a trend? Their package and resale isn't something new.

Sonic Angel Knight said:
Probably one of the reasons why "Virtual console" as a brand didn't continue to the switch. Each company that usually license the games to nintendo are marketing their own compilation of games.

Not that I'd necessarily disagree that this might have gone into the decision, I'd note that compilations of older licensed games has been going on since the GBA and similar on the Gamecube. Admittedly, it might be of a greater scale now. Or maybe it was like pulling teeth getting content for the original Wii VC and by the 3DS Nintendo abandoned it letting larger licensers focus on more lucrative compilations? Honestly, I'm just making wild guesses. Although looking at your list, isn't like near every one of those releases for the Wii or 3DS meaning this is just yet another recycled compilation?

One thing I'd tend to argue, though, is that Capcom doesn't see it as "Conflicting Sales". Nintendo is the one who hosts the content and hence bares most the cost. I don't know how much work Capcom had to put into the VC release of Mega Man for the 3DS, but I imagine it was pretty minor. So at worst people will buy one or the other and some will buy both. Very few people, me included, own one copy of Mega Man; ie, we're all a bunch of suckers, so it's hardly like Capcom has much to fear.

the_randomizer · Apr 4, 2019

Am I the only one who finds these pathetic three-releases-per-month to be anathema? I'm sick of NES games, move on to a better system please and thank you.

DANTENDO · Apr 4, 2019

the_randomizer said:
Am I the only one who finds these pathetic three-releases-per-month to be anathema? I'm sick of NES games, move on to a better system please and thank you.

It's not good I think you should email nintendo and say yr piece see what reply you get

the_randomizer · Apr 4, 2019

DANTENDO said:
It's not good I think you should email nintendo and say yr piece see what reply you get

Uh yeah, no, it's a waste of time.

Glitchk0ud1001 · Apr 4, 2019

So Nintendo dosen't want to remember Mike Tyson's Punch Out!

Sonic Angel Knight · Apr 4, 2019

kuwanger said:
The did something similar for the Wii. Mega Man on VC or you could buy the Mega Man Anniversary Collection (admittedly for the GC, but it's backwards compatible). You see a trend? Their package and resale isn't something new.

It's not really a trend, it was coincidence that Nintendo provided backwards compatibility. Second, the games on that collection are not the original nes games. They was based on the playstation Japanese exclusive "Rockman Complete works" a collection of games that was not emulated, but reprogrammed to work on the psx sold in Japan only. (Currently downloadable on psn for PS3, PSP, Vita) Third, since it is a gamecube game, you can only use gamecube controllers officially. The virtual consoles let you use wii controls as options and are the original nes game sources.

kuwanger said:
Nintendo is the one who hosts the content and hence bares most the cost. I don't know how much work Capcom had to put into the VC release of Mega Man for the 3DS, but I imagine it was pretty minor.

Capcom provides license = permission for nintendo to distribute the game as "Virtual Console" Nintendo's team provides the emulation necessary to play said games, then publish and markets the game. That's what they do. Yeah nintendo does most of the work only cause capcom gave permission.

In the case of the first legacy collection (Since we was talking about nes) Digital Eclipse was the one responsible for the emulation in that one. But capcom still did more than the VC version by providing all the extra content for museum data like artwork, fun facts and game development notes. Then still responsible for publishing and marketing the game. In case of X Legacy collection, they did use money to get the disc/cart formats of the games for retail.

Even though they don't do much for the "Virtual console" version, Capcom is still responsible for why it's on there in the first place. But I probably should have said redundant instead of conflicting. The legacy collection exist along side of the 3DS Virtual console titles. You can pay $5 each for all 6 for a total of $30 or pay HALF that price for the same number of games plus extra content. The museum content and extra gameplay modes they added to the legacy collection at HALF the price of the virtual console version. It would be easy to guess which one common people would buy. Though I would have to wonder why capcom would release it on 3DS when all 6 nes games was already available on 3DS eshop before the doing so. (Probably cause they could make more money selling it than the VC version.) Makes sense right?

The legacy collection exist on switch already. Adding any of the games to switch nes online would be redundant. I'm not against the idea, but I don't see it happening because of this current predicament, just would be another redundant situation. Not only is NES games for online subscribers only, but they wouldn't buy a sub hoping for specific games to be playable on there.

kuwanger · Apr 4, 2019

Sonic Angel Knight said:
It's not really a trend, it was coincidence that Nintendo provided backwards compatibility. Second, the games on that collection are not the original nes games. They was based on the playstation Japanese exclusive "Rockman Complete works" a collection of games that was not emulated, but reprogrammed to work on the psx sold in Japan only. (Currently downloadable on psn for PS3, PSP, Vita) Third, since it is a gamecube game, you can only use gamecube controllers officially. The virtual consoles let you use wii controls as options and are the original nes game sources.

Yea, I'm aware of the technical difference between the 1-6 games. 7 was emulation (and had a butchered ending because apparently Atomic Planet didn't have time or expertise to emulate that properly) and 8 was a port of the psx version*. Overall, though, most people don't care any more than the fact that the VC emulation and the Legacy Collection pseudo emulation are different. The only-gamecube controller, though, I can see as a deal breaker for people.

Sonic Angel Knight said:
Even though they don't do much for the "Virtual console" version, Capcom is still responsible for why it's on there in the first place. But I probably should have said redundant instead of conflicting. ... (Probably cause they could make more money selling it than the VC version.) Makes sense right?

The legacy collection exist on switch already. Adding any of the games to switch nes online would be redundant. I'm not against the idea, but I don't see it happening because of this current predicament, just would be another redundant situation. Not only is NES games for online subscribers only, but they wouldn't buy a sub hoping for specific games to be playable on there.

Yea, there is definitely a point that the order of how things played out would be a reason why VC NES Mega Man 1-6 on Switch makes a lot less sense, but then it doesn't make much sense why Legacy Collection was made in the first place given it cost them money, most consoles already had Mega Man collections or VC, etc. So, *shrug*. Like you say, maybe they thought overall they'd make more money selling a compilation and Digital Eclipse sold them on an accurate variation which may also have meant it was easier to port to new consoles? Maybe Atomic Planet lost the source for the Anniversary Collection.

One thing I would throw out is so long as Nintendo only includes NES games as part of their online service, it would make a lot of sense to include Mega Man 2 free. It'd effectively be a demo for the Legacy Collection.

* For all its many, many faults, I actually sort of prefer the Anniversary Collection because it includes the two arcade games as well. I do really hate how they butchered the Mega Man 7 ending, though.

Sonic Angel Knight · Apr 4, 2019

kuwanger said:
Yea, there is definitely a point that the order of how things played out would be a reason why VC NES Mega Man 1-6 on Switch makes a lot less sense, but then it doesn't make much sense why Legacy Collection was made in the first place given it cost them money, most consoles already had Mega Man collections or VC, etc. So, *shrug*. Like you say, maybe they thought overall they'd make more money selling a compilation and Digital Eclipse sold them on an accurate variation which may also have meant it was easier to port to new consoles? Maybe Atomic Planet lost the source for the Anniversary Collection.

Digital eclipse has a easier way to porting games, for virtual console, it means existing ONLY on nintendo systems. For Digital Eclipse means existing on MULTIPLE systems. So more systems means more people will buy it than trying to sell one game at $5 each on virtual console, which only means capcom makes money with each sale and wouldn't be much since it's FIVE DOLLARS.

More systems and higher price tag means more sales. While I dare not fathom why it was also released on 3DS, my only guess was cause VC wasn't selling well, not to mention again because digital eclipse, they had easy way of doing multi console ports.

kuwanger said:
* For all its many, many faults, I actually sort of prefer the Anniversary Collection because it includes the two arcade games as well. I do really hate how they butchered the Mega Man 7 ending, though.

Probably the only reason that would make hardcore players decide one over the other is the accuracy of emulation. Not to mention if there was changes made between them for minor arbitrary reasons. Like "Do you want the one with the proper ending or not? Do you want the one with the modified script that replaces words like 'damn' with 'darn'? Do you want the Famicom systems in junk man stage? Do you want rush to dig up old gameboys or not?" (Yes that is a thing by the way)

pohaxsf · Apr 4, 2019

Reploid said:
I already have full romset on my retroarch, so... meh.

me too. I think ninty just needs to copy the emus from the devs. if they don't they might be making new ones already. I personally think NES is so boring.. and Snes or m6n would dramatically be a better choice.

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