Hacking Discussion Team Xecuter Attempted to Bribe RetroNX Developers

coolfi · Oct 2, 2018

Question is how many others they bribed and got on-board with these knobs, good to see someone had morals to say NO.

I've been around reading and you can see multiple accounts promoting the bloat, and spread misinformation about others I'd say better free options. If you have to pay then pay Nintendo for something you enjoy and tried it out.

SeongGino · Oct 2, 2018

json said:
It's a whole different matter if you iniated the talk about getting paid. So, did you or not?

Pretty sure if he was the one talking about profits, he would've been the one to approach TX first, not the other way around.

JoeBloggs777 said:
to me from what's been posted on here, I got the impression they just sent you a message but it looks like now you've been chatting to TX, why instead of cherry picking and pasting, why dont you paste all the chat logs ?

Because it's the fact that they instigated this nonsense about dropping FOSS projects to contribute to SX OS that this was brought up in the first place. Do all you want is just back-forth bickering between M4 and TX?

And even if he was to accept the deal; what would he gain from bad-mouthing them still? Sounds more like breaching of hypothetical contracts to me.

TX is hardly worth the effort contributing to, for profit or otherwise.

FAST6191 · Oct 2, 2018

m4xw said:
It was a bribe the second I got told to stop working on other opensource projects and break licenses

What does being told to stop working on other projects have to do with it being a bribe? I have seen any number of contracts say no moonlighting or secondary jobs (or less restrictively no jobs that will be competition for the thing you are doing for us). It makes such contracts less desirable and is absolutely a thing that could and should be discussed as part of this but it is so very far from bribe. Being tacitly or directly told to break licences would be a different matter, though things there still appear hazy as to what happened and if it would constitute such.

Riptide · Oct 2, 2018

FAST6191 said:
Being tacitly or directly told to break licences would be a different matter, though things there still appear hazy as to what happened and if it would constitute such.

This whole thread is a bunch of hearsay and bull until actual evidence of the above is posted.

Jokey_Carrot · Oct 2, 2018

I was thinking of buying sxos and an r4 dongle but imma just use rei nx or something because this is just bs. even if it was exclusive people would be able to crack it anyway

SeongGino · Oct 2, 2018

FAST6191 said:
Being tacitly or directly told to break licences would be a different matter, though things there still appear hazy as to what happened and if it would constitute such.

But it's inherently a breach of Libretro's GPL License, which makes it illegal and thus a clear bribe. TX was very well not going to make the end product free for non-commercial use nor open-source.

Plus, tbh, they completely forgot the whole purpose of Libretro -- not as a frontend for emulation, but as a library for developing games on. This would almost-certainly break this core facet of RA's being.

Discuss whether or not this is bribery, fine; but you can't say this is, in any way, legal.

Riptide · Oct 2, 2018

SeongGino said:
But it's inherently a breach of Libretro's GPL License, which makes it illegal and thus a clear bribe.

You're going to need to better define "it" as well as the license you're referring too. Its a bit more complicated than you understand.

SeongGino · Oct 2, 2018

Riptide said:
You're going to need to better define "it" as well as the license you're referring too.

Either you're joking, or you only just arrived at this discussion. The context is in the title.

Its a bit more complicated than you understand.

Assuming someone's knowledge (or lack thereof) is a worse sin than 'not understanding' how FOSS licenses work.

RY0M43CH1Z3N · Oct 2, 2018

json said:
It's a whole different matter if you iniated the talk about getting paid. So, did you or not?

No... If he have accepted the pay, you don't have the 1.7.5 version for Switch in any CFW (only for SX OS).

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Riptide said:
You're going to need to better define "it" as well as the license you're referring too. Its a bit more complicated than you understand.

Read all the f**king conversation.

the_randomizer · Oct 2, 2018

FAST6191 said:
I am not seeing anybody say it would be a good thing and/or result in a better emulator or anything like that. It is the people screaming bribe despite it not being what one would classically call such a thing, and how it is all so inherently unethical and how it could not happen under the law (despite similar projects* happening all the time, and commonly being considered a means of achieving some cash in the open source/free software world) that seems to be getting various people's hackles up.

*libretro has a nightmare license setup, even if it is not what is strictly under discussion, but for more conventional projects where there is one governing licence of the sorts of things seen on places like https://choosealicense.com/ or https://opensource.org/licenses or http://www.gnu.org/licenses/license-list.html then there is usually plenty of scope for things.

Port an emulator frontend that they themselves wrote and assign some measure of exclusivity to a group?

Well, until TX gets their act together and starts writing their own damn code to flaunt their exclusivity epeen, they're only doing it out of spite, or "because they can". I still fail to see why people support them in such a sycophantic manner. Not you, but a lot of people on here seem to.

m4xw said:
It was a bribe the second I got told to stop working on other opensource projects and break licenses

Whoever from TX told you to stop working on that project can fuck themselves and suck balls.

V-Temp · Oct 2, 2018

I stand by my statements in the past that TX is cancerous for this community, and the sooner they are banned the better the community and scene will be for it.

the_randomizer said:
Well, until TX gets their act together and starts writing their own damn code to flaunt their exclusivity epeen, they're only doing it out of spite, or "because they can". I still fail to see why people support them in such a sycophantic manner. Not you, but a lot of people on here seem to.

Whoever from TX told you to stop working on that project can fuck themselves and suck balls.

Buyer's remorse and cognitive dissonance are one hell of a drug, one hell of a drug. People often will try to defend their purchase for 'peace of mind' even if the product/its creators have plumbed the depths of hell and right into Satan's cellar.

the_randomizer · Oct 2, 2018

V-Temp said:
Buyer's remorse and cognitive dissonance are one hell of a drug, one hell of a drug. People often will try to defend their purchase for 'peace of mind' even if the product/its creators have plumbed the depths of hell and right into Satan's cellar.

Even if said the products are from "developers" who are often douchebags who want to eliminate competition ala Microsoft. I really hope they go under.

Riptide · Oct 2, 2018

SeongGino said:
Either you're joking, or you only just arrived at this discussion. The context is in the title.
Assuming someone's knowledge (or lack thereof) is a worse sin than 'not understanding' how FOSS licenses work.

RY0M43CH1Z3N said:
No... If he have accepted the pay, you don't have the 1.7.5 version for Switch in any CFW (only for SX OS).
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Read all the f**king conversation.

Sounds like you are the ones who missed a few posts. This could be accomplished without violating any of libretro's licenses (many of which aren't GPLv3 btw...) One such scenario is described here: https://gbatemp.net/threads/team-xe...etronx-developers.519756/page-17#post-8314813

But by all means keep those blinders on and march forward with those pitchforks.

the_randomizer · Oct 2, 2018

Riptide said:
Sounds like you are the ones who missed a few posts. This could be accomplished without violating any of libretro's licenses (many of which aren't GPLv3 btw...) One such scenario is described here: https://gbatemp.net/threads/team-xe...etronx-developers.519756/page-17#post-8314813

But by all means keep those blinders on and march forward with those pitchforks.

Sounds like you're a spokesperson for Team Xecuter Damage Control, no? Why are you defending them? They're just as bad as RetroN stealing code because they're too lazy to do their own work.

SeongGino · Oct 2, 2018

Riptide said:
But by all means keep those blinders on and march forward with those pitchforks.

Dude, you didn't even have to look far to check.

Irony's a cruel mistress, ain't it?

comput3rus3r · Oct 2, 2018

JoeBloggs777 said:
to me from what's been posted on here, I got the impression they just sent you a message but it looks like now you've been chatting to TX, why instead of cherry picking and pasting, why dont you paste all the chat logs ?

Because he's hiding something obviously.

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the_randomizer said:
Sounds like you're a spokesperson for Team Xecuter Damage Control, no? Why are you defending them? They're just as bad as RetroN stealing code because they're too lazy to do their own work.

according to you anybody who disagrees is a paid shill for TX. lol

Riptide · Oct 2, 2018

the_randomizer said:
Sounds like you're a spokesperson for Team Xecuter Damage Control, no? Why are you defending them? They're just as bad as RetroN stealing code because they're too lazy to do their own work.

I'm a spokesman for common sense and not having a giant toxic "debate" until all the actual information is presented.
The vast majority of people in this thread don't understand what they're debating about.

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SeongGino said:
Dude, you didn't even have to look far to check.

Irony's a cruel mistress, ain't it?

Things are never as simple as they appear son:
https://docs.libretro.com/tech/licenses/

the_randomizer · Oct 2, 2018

Riptide said:
I'm a spokesman for common sense and not having a giant toxic "debate" until all the actual information is presented.
The vast majority of people in this thread don't understand what they're debating about.

Oh, so you're saying that TX should've gotten its way instead?

comput3rus3r said:
Because he's hiding something obviously.

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according to you anybody who disagrees is a paid shill for TX. lol

No, just those who think that they can do no wrong, and think TX is infallible. They're not, they're too lazy to do their own work, so they have to brownose into someone else's.

Riptide · Oct 2, 2018

the_randomizer said:
Oh, so you're saying that TX should've gotten its way instead?

I'm saying this thread is pointless until someone posts proof of TX actually requesting licenses to be violated.

comput3rus3r · Oct 2, 2018

the_randomizer said:
Oh, so you're saying that TX should've gotten its way instead?

No, just those who think that they can do no wrong, and think TX is infallible. They're not, they're too lazy to do their own work, so they have to brownose into someone else's.

You obviously don't know the meaning of the word "brown-nose"
here it is.
noun
noun: brownnose

1.
a person who acts in a grossly obsequious way.

verb
verb: brownnose

1.
curry favor with (someone) by acting in an obsequious way.
"academics were brown-nosing the senior faculty"

And here's the meaning of obsequious "obedient or attentive to an excessive or servile degree."

I don't think TX is infallible. As a customer I'm pretty upset that they keep wasting their time with things like emunand and now retroarch when they should be creating a usb loader.

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