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What Went Down During Trump's Meeting With The Video Game Industry

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In case you were not aware, on Thursday President Donald Trump had an hour-long meeting with Congressional leaders and video game industry leaders behind closed doors in the Roosevelt Room at the White House. Attendees included company representatives from Bethesda, Take-Two, Rockstar, and the Entertainment Software Association (ESA), as well as critics of violent media from the Parents Television Council (PTC), Media Research Council (MRC), Representative Vicky Hartzler, a Republican Congresswoman from Missouri, among others. The meeting, which the White House describes as one of many with the game industry and other stakeholders in a national discussion surrounding school shootings, was closed to the press. However, some of the attendees revealed what went down in post-meeting statements and press interviews.

The meeting kicked-off with the screening of the following 88-second video that depicts violent scenes from game franchises like Call of Duty, Sniper Elite, and Fallout:


Unlisted video from The White House’s YouTube channel


Following the footage Rep. Hartzler said that the president would ask, “This is violent isn’t it?”, asking for comments and thoughts among those present.

"I think for many of us there, there was a shocked silence," Melissa Henson, a spokesperson for the PTC, said during a press call following the meeting. "Those from the video game industry were quick to defend [the video games] saying they were meant for a mature audience and that they weren't intended for kids to see."

“I think he’s deeply disturbed by some of the things you see in these video games that are so darn violent, viciously violent, and clearly inappropriate for children, and I think he’s bothered by that,” said Brent Bozell of the MRC.

In a press statement following the meeting, the White House added that “the President acknowledged some studies have indicated there is a correlation between video game violence and real violence. The conversation centered on whether violent video games, including games that graphically simulate killing, desensitize our community to violence.”

It is not the first time that President Trump made a connection between violence in video games and real violence. He has been quite vocal about his thoughts on the matter in the past...


... even if studies showed no correlation between the two, as the ESA pointed out: "We discussed the numerous scientific studies establishing that there is no connection between video games and violence, First Amendment protection of video games, and how our industry’s rating system effectively helps parents make informed entertainment choices."

Sen. Marco Rubio (R-Fla.), who was also at the meeting, also acknowledged that there is no evidence linking violent video games to the tragedy in Parkland. But he said he wanted to ensure “parents are aware of the resources available to them to monitor and control the entertainment their children are exposed to.”

"The tone of the meeting was that it was for information gathering, fact finding," the PTC's Melissa Henson said. "I don't believe anyone came in there with a policy outcome in mind. The President was not walking in there with his mind already made up. I am under the impression there will be future conversations, though no next steps were discussed."
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While nothing consequential went down during this specific meeting, similar ones are bound to happen, especially in the wake of increasing reports of public violence. Decisions might then be made that will have a heavy impact on the video game industry.

Views are highly divided regarding the issue of violence and video games. This will probably remain the case in the foreseeable future until a consensus is met, however unlikely that may be. But what do you think? Is there a correlation? Are there any changes that need to be made within the video game industry that can help to curb real-world violence?

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i wouldn't let kids under 13 play GTA V for example though

How about "The Joy of Sex"? What's the proper age for "The Joy of Sex"? Should we limit access children's access to their own sexual organs until they're 18 because their misuse could result in life long problems? Where's the call for more chastity belts?

PS - Sorry if it sounds like I'm picking on you. I don't see people talking so passionately about children and their access to their porn, the idea that a rating board is someone part of the solution, nor that the whole teen pregnancy thing--which funny enough like guns is also often an adult on child thing--being something worthy of marches and discussions in the White House. Not that I'd trust Trump around teenage girls.
 

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How about "The Joy of Sex"? What's the proper age for "The Joy of Sex"? Should we limit access children's access to their own sexual organs until they're 18 because their misuse could result in life long problems? Where's the call for more chastity belts?

PS - Sorry if it sounds like I'm picking on you. I don't see people talking so passionately about children and their access to their porn, the idea that a rating board is someone part of the solution, nor that the whole teen pregnancy thing--which funny enough like guns is also often an adult on child thing--being something worthy of marches and discussions in the White House. Not that I'd trust Trump around teenage girls.
What an insane leap you took there. That's all i have to say about that.
 
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What an insane leap you took there. That's all i have to say about that.

I know, right? Random gun violence/massacres = genitalia and their potential "misuse" (whatever the fuck that means, lol) ??

Talk about archaic levels of sexual repression! :lol:
 
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What an insane leap you took there. That's all i have to say about that.

How is it an insane leap? I think it's a very legitimate question on what age you think children should have access to video games/movies/books about sex. I mean, there's some thought involved that you don't want sub-13 year olds having access to GTA V because they're too immature for it, right? Meanwhile, there's clearly some idea that access to GTA V might lead to violence against others, specifically encouraging the use of guns/vehicles/etc. Well, you can to some degree ban children from those things, but you can't do the same with their bodies.

Talk about archaic levels of sexual repression! :lol:

There's safe ways to use guns and vehicles, right? And playing games doesn't automatically lead to violence or sex, right? So, uh, who are we repressing and why?
 

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That's so stupid, everyone knows people are overweight because mcdonalds exist.
People (including the president) eat too much McDonald's, and stupid people get their hands on semi or fully automatic weapons for the same reason: the US education system sucks, in some states even more than others. By design ofc, whenever Republicans are given the choice for Secretary of Education, it's always someone who knows nothing about education like Betsy DeVos.
 
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Sorry for posting so frequently here, but my point is foster care sucks. And teen pregnancy is a non-trival factor in at least some cases of children being put into foster care. So, a broken home can lead to a "cycle" of a recurring problem. Oh, and school shootings.

Now, if you can figure out a meaningful way of fixing the whole clusterfuck that is teen pregnancy, foster care, mental health/development issues, and what to do about parental failures before it's 15 years in and a teenager is basically fucked, I'm all ears. Even if fixing all of that did absolutely nothing to reduce the incident of school shootings, I'd say it would be a net positive.
 

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Btw, the reason politicians are convinced that repeated training in violence conditions can desensitize people to violence is precisely because that's what the military does to get soldiers to actually kill people.
The military thing is fascinating to me and has been since it was brought to my attention some years back. That said are games similar to what is done in such scenarios though? I am sure we have all had something like a carefully set up story time ruined by well timed fart. Conditioning that serious is a somewhat more delicate affair (also a lot louder).
To that end I would have to wonder if such people are being even more disingenuous.

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i wouldn't let kids under 13 play GTA V for example though. As to the effects nobody knows. But hey if you're gonna say that every kid of any age should be able to play any video game then we should also let them watch any movie restricting ages.
I find age restrictions for content to be a rather odd affair and not one I can place anywhere near the stock in that some people seem to. Part of that is people seem rather incapable of elaborating upon the effects such a thing might have. The other big part of that is wildly, to say the least, differing definitions about what contents might be "harmful", most amusingly to me being the charges of realism where if I were to start somewhere I would come completely the other way and wonder why a-team firing and no blood is not restricted.
 
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Obama's Democrats were nothing like Trump's Republicans are, that's a very false equivalency. Then again there's no president in history who can match up to Trump's incompetence. Most of his staff do not even have permanent security clearances.

In a survey among history experts, Obama was in the top ten best presidents, and Trump was ranked worst for his time in office so far:

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news...-worst-president-ever-obama-top-10/353024002/
I don't like Trump either, but we've had far worse Presidents, by a long shot. Just as a reminder:

1) Harding was a corrupt motherfucker, he and his associates bled the government dry
2) FDR went around locking up every Japanese person he could find just cuz they were Japanese (imagine Trump doing that to Muslims)
3) Andrew Jackson defied the Supreme Court and kicked every native off their land.


And, all 3 of those guys were super popular. The fact that we can see Trump for who he is, even when he did less horrid stuff that the above 3, means we've come a long way.
 

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The military thing is fascinating to me and has been since it was brought to my attention some years back. That said are games similar to what is done in such scenarios though?

In reality, I doubt it. Like you say, the reality of life and even the most dedicating training of a game are quite different, so most likely a person would immediately snap out of any actual attempt. Ie, only people who had practiced parts of in life and had a desire to do it in the first place would seem liable to follow through. Now, if it were training in a video game for a drone pilot...

Somewhat related, here's a somewhat related story for those who wish to think of the children: The Gift Bearer.
 

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I've never had a problem with Trump, but this is honestly something I would have never thought he would say. It's honestly really dumb for him to think something like this. It isn't the 80's anymore, we've been over this.
 
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This is the same crap politicians and other uninformed individuals have been trying for years. Just a way to deflect.

lmao he is so fucking dumb
his retarded country...
trump shouldn't exist
I cut the other jabber in your quote.
You know that the US isn't the only country with problems, right? May not have the same problems we have but they have bad problems non the less. No country is perfect.
I do agree with you that trump shouldn't exist. He is a big POS. Three more years and we can decide again. Truth be told, most world leaders suck. Although most are just puppets for the greater evil. Politicians aren't normal everyday folks.

Our world is corrupt from local governments to world governments. People may say it's just a tin foil theory. Just wake up, they are ruining society. Not much we can do anyway, right?
 

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This is the same crap politicians and other uninformed individuals have been trying for years. Just a way to deflect.


I cut the other jabber in your quote.
You know that the US isn't the only country with problems, right? May not have the same problems we have but they have bad problems non the less. No country is perfect.
I do agree with you that trump shouldn't exist. He is a big POS. Three more years and we can decide again. Truth be told, most world leaders suck. Although most are just puppets for the greater evil. Politicians aren't normal everyday folks.

Our world is corrupt from local governments to world governments. People may say it's just a tin foil theory. Just wake up, they are ruining society. Not much we can do anyway, right?
bla bla bla i know dude
every country has problems that need to be solved, but NOW we are talking about THIS certain problem
 
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What exactly do they wish to accomplish with this meeting? Kids are already prevented from buying M rated games. What more can they do? The next step would be to ban violence in video games. Or better educate the public about ESRB ratings. Which I'm pretty sure parents should know by now what ESRB is.



People would rather be at work then be around their kids to raise them. Women fought to work a job like a man. And man wants to work too. They rather be at work working in a cubicle, then be around the people they care about which is their kids to raise them. Assuming they care about their kids. So we have a generation of kids not being raised by their biological parents and instead raised by video games and tv to baby sit them till the parents come home. No one is considering stay at home parent.


It's less they want to work, but they -have- to work simply to afford rent and food.2
 

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Do I believe video games can make a sane person go on a shooting spree? Nah.

Do I believe a video game can perhaps assist a mentally unstable with a feel of a school shooting? Perhaps. I mean the V-tech shooter and the Columbine shooters used first person shooters to give them a "feel" of a school shooting. One of the Columbine shooters even made a game of their school in an FPS.
Does that mean, "OMG BAN ALL VIOLENT VIDEO GAMES AHHHHHHHH" Fuck no, lol.

I believe this just shows that we need better mental health programs. Because, if they don't use a video game, they're just going to use a movie or another thing to motivate or give them a feeling for a shooting. Hell, they can go paint ball shooting to get a better feel of it, than playing a video games.

Also, I said it before, but the rating system is nearly useless. No parents seem to give a flying fuck about it. "Jimmy wants his new CoD, even though it's rated M..., but if I don't buy it for him, he'll be a loser towards his friends :/". It's not exactly the fault of the rating system, but shit parenting, but it's not the gov's job to parent your kid.

Oh, and I look forward to the refusal to ban video games, and for the gov to go the cigarette route. Soon we'll have dead school shooting victims on the boxes of video games, and no more video game ads! :D Oh, and maybe they'll tax video games to the moon!
 
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According to the Bible (if you are into that nonsense) Cain killed Able without evil music , violent movies or Grand Theft Auto V.
... tale as old as time .

we are who we are .. the fukn nutcase with the gun in school is who he is.


and this prejudice joker for a president thinks he can fix the world by building a wall and/or telling us what games he thinks we should play.

we need a gameshow host to tell Trump "youre fired"... but really who'd be any better , there is no 1 cure for so many fuktup people ..

...dont touch my video games , i anit hurt anyone in 30 years .... and im pretty sure the other guy started it
(he threw the 1st punch anyway) when i did... and even then i didnt kill him,

but i sure loved my violent gsmes ... Double Dragon was my favorite back then and neither it or Ozzy's 'devil music' would seduce me into hurting someone
or shoot up a school .. thats just loonitics
 
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I blame pants for the violence.


Not to mention the Bible is damned violent.

Oh yeah. The Old Testament God routinely racked up body counts that'd put even the most dedicated COD players to shame. I'd have to look it up but I recall him offing a million people in a single act, to say nothing of how many the Flood might have killed.

Then there's something in Psalms {137:9} about "Happy shall he be that taketh and dasheth thy little ones against the stones."

That's pretty f'd up. I don't know of any games that involve smashing kids to death against rocks. Maybe some indie game or mods but very few if any.
 
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