Teen behind Microsoft and Sony DDOS hacks sentenced to 2 years in jail

MiniDrac · Apr 26, 2017

Oh wow

Wiisel · Apr 26, 2017

Memoir said:
You get more than that for possession. What the fuck? This clown has potential to compromise private data and he gets two years?

Possession of what? You would need to have a lot more than a few deals to get 2 years in the UK unless it's a firearms offence.

the_randomizer · Apr 26, 2017

Wiisel said:
Possession of what? You would need to have a lot more than a few deals to get 2 years in the UK unless it's a firearms offence.

I hope you're not defending that stupid judge and the pantywaist hacker.

Wiisel · Apr 26, 2017

the_randomizer said:
I hope you're not defending that stupid judge and the pantywaist hacker.

No I'm pointing out the mockery the UK legal system is.

Enteking · Apr 26, 2017

What he did was wrong and he should pay for what he has done. But his skills should be honored and he should be offered a job at the military forces to take down the protected infrastructure of other countries. A society should not waste such huge potential.

lAkdaOpeKA · Apr 26, 2017

Enteking said:
What he did was wrong and he should pay for what he has done. But his skills should be honored and he should be offered a job at the military forces to take down the protected infrastructure of other countries. A society should not waste such huge potential.

He had the potential, but he decided to do bad things with his abilities and now he's paying the consequences.

MasterJ360 · Apr 26, 2017

after those 2 years are up he gets hired by Sony lol

smf · Apr 26, 2017

Hells Malice said:
386k? Son of a bitch.
If he just gets 2 years for this, that's a damn good deal.

It depends on whether he spent it already & on what.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proceeds_of_Crime_Act_2002

I assume they'll get an order to return whatever money and assets he still has and if he doesn't return it then they can add up to 14 years to his sentence.

If he has put it out of their reach, refuses to cooperate and stays in prison for 16 years then it's only 24k a year.

xdarkx said:
I'm surprise none of the companies made him pay for the damage he's done.

Deboog said:
I'm surprised too. Maybe he will be sued again in civil court?

It's not worth it. The UK isn't like the US where you can claim a billion dollars from a homeless man, if they have nothing then you get nothing.

Wiisel said:
No I'm pointing out the mockery the UK legal system is.

No system is perfect. I think the UK does a much better job than the US. If all the UK temper's get sent to prison for 10 years for copyright infringement then it would seem strange.

Most people have no idea how sentencing is determined, judges are given guidance and it's up to them to work out how serious each case is. The news reports barely ever include that level of detail as their main purpose is to sensationalise the news. So if you just go on the news reports you can't have a reasoned opinion whether it's a mockery or not.

The UK legal system takes itself seriously, even if people don't.

http://www.lancashiretelegraph.co.u...e_just_minutes_after_leaving_court_locked_up/

Noctosphere · Apr 26, 2017

2 years?
thats it?
If i was the judge, I would sentence him to pay 386k£ to all company he hacked

smf · Apr 26, 2017

Noctosphere said:
2 years?
thats it?
If i was the judge, I would sentence him to pay 386k£ to all company he hacked

I assume an order will have or will be made up for him to forfeit his gain (up to how much he actually has, including seizing it from people he may have given it to). It will go to the government though to pay for his prison time.

I think two years is pretty fair. I assume there will be restrictions on him when he is released as well.

McHaggis · Apr 26, 2017

smf said:
It depends on whether he spent it already & on what.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Proceeds_of_Crime_Act_2002

I assume they'll get an order to return whatever money and assets he still has and if he doesn't return it then they can add up to 14 years to his sentence.

I initially thought that this might not apply as he made the money from selling software, but the same act that made DDoS attacks illegal also made it illegal to create and distribute such software. So there's a good chance the government will attempt to recover the money.

If he has put it out of their reach, refuses to cooperate and stays in prison for 16 years then it's only 24k a year.

After deductions, that's still better than the national average! though probably not worth an extra 14 years in prison.

Xiphiidae · Apr 26, 2017

Am I the only person who thinks that 2 years is more than enough of a sentence for this?

ov3rkill · Apr 26, 2017

Can't we just bless or dip this guy with holy water and turn him into a white hat? :rofl2:

smf · Apr 26, 2017

McHaggis said:
I initially thought that this might not apply as he made the money from selling software, but the same act that made DDoS attacks illegal also made it illegal to create and distribute such software. So there's a good chance the government will attempt to recover the money.

From reading the news reports, he made money selling access to his DDOS botnet. I don't think he sold the software outright, he sold a service. It's not obvious from the news reports, but they are written by people who may not have a technical background who are detailing what was said in court by people who definitely don't have a technical background.

McHaggis said:
After deductions, that's still better than the national average! though probably not worth an extra 14 years in prison.

But is it better than he could have earned? And 16 years is a long time, it may be minimum wage by the time he's finished. He has the benefit of having the money now and can put it into something that appreciates, but unless it's property outside the reach of the UK government (which may mean at least outside the EU) then he's not going to keep it. If he's given the money to someone and they find out then they'll recover the money, even if it means charging the recipient with conspiracy etc. If they don't find out who has it then the recipient may just spend the money and when they don't return it, he has no legal recourse.

While he made money out of this and has some skills, he isn't a criminal mastermind or he wouldn't have been caught so easily.

They are definitely going to try to recover the money:

http://www.ruralalert.co.uk/da/177518/Student_sentenced_to_two_years_for_mass_cyber_attacks.html

"In total, Mudd had benefited to the tune of approximately $300,000 worth of ill-gotten gains, though the final amount will be confirmed in future confiscation hearings."

I assume he will be allowed to pay his legal defence costs first. He'll likely be left with nothing, two years lost in prison, probation with restrictions on what computer equipment he can have and a criminal record preventing him from getting a job. It's not a certainty that he knows enough to get a white hat job afterwards. Although someone might hire him as a figure head.

Deleted User · Apr 26, 2017

Should be 15 years, bang the bastard up in prison. Fucking asshole thought he was untouchable. Won't be untouchable where he's going! Don't drop the soap there, dickhead!

Lord M · Apr 26, 2017

Obviously.
Expecially when you know that Microsoft deserve the full life in jail, you realize who can buy the laws, and who can't.

smf · Apr 26, 2017

StarGazerTom said:
Should be 15 years, bang the bastard up in prison. Fucking asshole thought he was untouchable. Won't be untouchable where he's going! Don't drop the soap there, dickhead!

Why do you have fantasies about men being raped?

anhminh · Apr 26, 2017

So did he go to jail because he sell the hacking progarm or because he mess with those Big Guy?

McHaggis · Apr 26, 2017

smf said:
But is it better than he could have earned? And 16 years is a long time, it may be minimum wage by the time he's finished. He has the benefit of having the money now and can put it into something that appreciates, but unless it's property outside the reach of the UK government (which may mean at least outside the EU) then he's not going to keep it. If he's given the money to someone and they find out then they'll recover the money, even if it means charging the recipient with conspiracy etc. If they don't find out who has it then the recipient may just spend the money and when they don't return it, he has no legal recourse.

Of course, I was just being facetious :-)

LuieLama · Apr 26, 2017

He should've gotten more jail time, just to make an example

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