Doctor Who

Foxi4 · Sep 26, 2012

SifJar said:
Just Another Gamer said:

I know but I do miss the more serious doctor. Hopefully things change when the Ponds leave and I'm kinda hoping the new companion will be awesome and not Amy-like otherwise it'll be a letdown.

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He always seems much darker and more serious when Amy and Rory aren't about, so I'd say it's likely he'll be that way when they are gone for good. Although I personally quite like Smith's more lively portrayal of the Doctor. But it does need to be balanced with a bit of seriousness every now and again.

I think that the "apparent insanity, carefree attitude and overly excited reactions" are his way of both coping what he's seen on his travels as well as avoiding having others worrying about him and being a downer. In numerous episodes you can see the Doctor's true face, where his internal conflicts surface.

David Tennant's Doctor was very much like that, with his own personal twist.

Just Another Gamer · Sep 27, 2012

SifJar said:
Just Another Gamer said:

I know but I do miss the more serious doctor. Hopefully things change when the Ponds leave and I'm kinda hoping the new companion will be awesome and not Amy-like otherwise it'll be a letdown.

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He always seems much darker and more serious when Amy and Rory aren't about, so I'd say it's likely he'll be that way when they are gone for good. Although I personally quite like Smith's more lively portrayal of the Doctor. But it does need to be balanced with a bit of seriousness every now and again.

I don't mind lively but the goofyness kinda annoys me a little, I mean all incarnations of the doctor are lively but the ones I liked more weren't as goofy as Matt's was in series 5 and 6 and some of 7 but my hopes for the rest of series 7 is he becomes a little less goofy but still has that energetic approach.

431unknown · Sep 27, 2012

Just Another Gamer said:
SifJar said:

Just Another Gamer said:

I know but I do miss the more serious doctor. Hopefully things change when the Ponds leave and I'm kinda hoping the new companion will be awesome and not Amy-like otherwise it'll be a letdown.

Click to expand...

He always seems much darker and more serious when Amy and Rory aren't about, so I'd say it's likely he'll be that way when they are gone for good. Although I personally quite like Smith's more lively portrayal of the Doctor. But it does need to be balanced with a bit of seriousness every now and again.

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I don't mind lively but the goofyness kinda annoys me a little, I mean all incarnations of the doctor are lively but the ones I liked more weren't as goofy as Matt's was in series 5 and 6 and some of 7 but my hopes for the rest of series 7 is he becomes a little less goofy but still has that energetic approach.

I wouldn't get your hopes too high then. He plays the character like that because that's how he has made the character his and it is also how Moffat wants the character played.

Has anyone else noticed that at least once in every episode so far this series the Doctor has said the line "This is new." I know that he has said it in the past 2 series but he is saying it more often in the current one. For a being thats boardering on 1200 years of age I find it hard to believe that anything is new for them.

Foxi4 · Sep 27, 2012

431unknown said:
(...)For a being thats boardering on 1200 years of age I find it hard to believe that anything is new for them.

What's 1200 years compared to the enormity of time?

In the episode Utopia we learn that by the year 100,000,000,000,000 A.D, most galaxies will colapse into themselves, leaving only areas stretched to the far away edges of the universe relatively intact. "Even the Time Lords didn't venture that far into space", at least according to the Doctor himself. 1200 years pales in comparison to such a huge number, even if the Doctor travels everyday, not to mention that time can correct history on-the-fly.

Doctor's intrusions in history do have an influence on future events, we see that in the Doctor Who Special "The Waters of Mars". Albeit reluctantly, the Doctor is often forced to attempt changing fixed points in time or causing paradoxes, even though he tries his best not to do so. This in turn causes time and space to re-structure itself to accomodate the changes. Places in the future he had visited previously may look different after he made changes to the past - it's a never-ending cycle of time re-structuring itself. Everything can be made "new".

Just Another Gamer · Sep 27, 2012

431unknown said:
Just Another Gamer said:

SifJar said:

Just Another Gamer said:

I know but I do miss the more serious doctor. Hopefully things change when the Ponds leave and I'm kinda hoping the new companion will be awesome and not Amy-like otherwise it'll be a letdown.

Click to expand...

He always seems much darker and more serious when Amy and Rory aren't about, so I'd say it's likely he'll be that way when they are gone for good. Although I personally quite like Smith's more lively portrayal of the Doctor. But it does need to be balanced with a bit of seriousness every now and again.

Click to expand...

I don't mind lively but the goofyness kinda annoys me a little, I mean all incarnations of the doctor are lively but the ones I liked more weren't as goofy as Matt's was in series 5 and 6 and some of 7 but my hopes for the rest of series 7 is he becomes a little less goofy but still has that energetic approach.

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I wouldn't get your hopes too high then. He plays the character like that because that's how he has made the character his and it is also how Moffat wants the character played.

Has anyone else noticed that at least once in every episode so far this series the Doctor has said the line "This is new." I know that he has said it in the past 2 series but he is saying it more often in the current one. For a being thats boardering on 1200 years of age I find it hard to believe that anything is new for them.

I know but it doesn't make me like the show any less, its still fantastic and to me is better than all the other crap on TV but its just something I notice when rewatching,

ProtoKun7 · Sep 27, 2012

Just Another Gamer said:
SifJar said:

Just Another Gamer said:

I know but I do miss the more serious doctor. Hopefully things change when the Ponds leave and I'm kinda hoping the new companion will be awesome and not Amy-like otherwise it'll be a letdown.

Click to expand...

He always seems much darker and more serious when Amy and Rory aren't about, so I'd say it's likely he'll be that way when they are gone for good. Although I personally quite like Smith's more lively portrayal of the Doctor. But it does need to be balanced with a bit of seriousness every now and again.

Click to expand...

I don't mind lively but the goofyness kinda annoys me a little, I mean all incarnations of the doctor are lively but the ones I liked more weren't as goofy as Matt's was in series 5 and 6 and some of 7 but my hopes for the rest of series 7 is he becomes a little less goofy but still has that energetic approach.

You should've seen Fourth and Sixth.

431unknown said:
Has anyone else noticed that at least once in every episode so far this series the Doctor has said the line "This is new." I know that he has said it in the past 2 series but he is saying it more often in the current one. For a being thats boardering on 1200 years of age I find it hard to believe that anything is new for them.

I spotted it, but not in *A Town Called Mercy*; the only reference I remember there was not needing a new suit.

Just Another Gamer · Sep 28, 2012

ProtoKun7 said:
Just Another Gamer said:

SifJar said:

Just Another Gamer said:

I know but I do miss the more serious doctor. Hopefully things change when the Ponds leave and I'm kinda hoping the new companion will be awesome and not Amy-like otherwise it'll be a letdown.

Click to expand...

He always seems much darker and more serious when Amy and Rory aren't about, so I'd say it's likely he'll be that way when they are gone for good. Although I personally quite like Smith's more lively portrayal of the Doctor. But it does need to be balanced with a bit of seriousness every now and again.

Click to expand...

I don't mind lively but the goofyness kinda annoys me a little, I mean all incarnations of the doctor are lively but the ones I liked more weren't as goofy as Matt's was in series 5 and 6 and some of 7 but my hopes for the rest of series 7 is he becomes a little less goofy but still has that energetic approach.

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You should've seen Fourth and Sixth.

I've seen Fourth but not Sixth yet. The ones I haven't seen yet is 1st-3rd and 6th-8th I plan to watch but never really got around to it.

MelodieOctavia · Sep 28, 2012

Foxi4 said:
431unknown said:

(...)For a being thats boardering on 1200 years of age I find it hard to believe that anything is new for them.

Click to expand...

What's 1200 years compared to the enormity of time?

In the episode Utopia we learn that by the year 100,000,000,000,000 A.D, most galaxies will colapse into themselves, leaving only areas stretched to the far away edges of the universe relatively intact. "Even the Time Lords didn't venture that far into space", at least according to the Doctor himself. 1200 years pales in comparison to such a huge number, even if the Doctor travels everyday, not to mention that time can correct history on-the-fly.

Doctor's intrusions in history do have an influence on future events, we see that in the Doctor Who Special "The Waters of Mars". Albeit reluctantly, the Doctor is often forced to attempt changing fixed points in time or causing paradoxes, even though he tries his best not to do so. This in turn causes time and space to re-structure itself to accomodate the changes. Places in the future he had visited previously may look different after he made changes to the past - it's a never-ending cycle of time re-structuring itself. Everything can be made "new".

And we all saw what happened when a fixed point in time became "unfixed".

Foxi4 · Sep 28, 2012

TwinRetro said:
And we all saw what happened when a fixed point in time became "unfixed".

Nothing of great significance? Merely a few details, wheras the destiny of the human race remained unchanged.

ProtoKun7 · Sep 28, 2012

Foxi4 said:
TwinRetro said:

And we all saw what happened when a fixed point in time became "unfixed".

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Nothing of great significance? Merely a few details, wheras the destiny of the human race remained unchanged.

One particular fixed point (the base still exploded, which was the major point); another had far greater consequences.

Foxi4 · Sep 28, 2012

ProtoKun7 said:
One particular fixed point (the base still exploded, which was the major point); another had far greater consequences.

The Doctor's theory about fixed points in history is simply his way of justifying his intrusions in it - the truth is that everything he does changes history in some way - it'd be more accurate to say that he should merely intervene when someone else is trying to change history... but I digress.

Future will always adjust itself, regardless of what he does. It may adapt in an undesirable way, but still.

funem · Sep 28, 2012

I have watched the program from way back in the Jon Pertwee era. As far as the classic series goes Tom Baker was a (in my opinion) the best Doctor, "Jelly Baby?", as the series went on with him in it, the stories got better and better. If you are want to watch a classic few clasic stories then watch Genesis Of The Daleks, its quite dark but probably the best Doctor Who story ever made. Tom distanced himself from the series when he left as he thought he would be typcast, he has recently come back and done some audio stories and conventions. Other Tom Baker ones to watch are City of Death and Horror of Fang Rock. Peter Davison also had a few good stories, Earthshock and the five Doctors being the most notable. No-one was sure if the BBC considered Paul McGann to be an official Doctor from the 2005 series onwards until his face apeared in the diary in the The Family of Blood episode with David Tennent, he also then apeared in the montage at the end of the first Mat Smith episode which confirmed it. Colin Baker has done some really good full cast audio stories, as has Paul McGann and Peter Davison, well worth checking out as they have padded out their characters very well. Other Clasic stories to watch are:- "The Curse of Fenric" - Sylvester McCoy, "The Caves of Androzani" - Peter Davison and "The Talons of Weng-Chiang" - Tom Baker

These are the "Classic Doctors" and the dates
William Hartnell 1963-1966
Patrick Troughton 1966-1969
Jon Pertwee 1970-1974
Tom Baker: 1974 - 1981
Peter Davison 1982-1984
Colin Baker 1984-1986
Sylvester McCoy 1987-1989
Paul McGann - 1996

431unknown · Sep 28, 2012

Foxi4 said:
ProtoKun7 said:

One particular fixed point (the base still exploded, which was the major point); another had far greater consequences.

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The Doctor's theory about fixed points in history is simply his way of justifying his intrusions in it - the truth is that everything he does changes history in some way - it'd be more accurate to say that he should merely intervene when someone else is trying to change history... but I digress.

Future will always adjust itself, regardless of what he does. It may adapt in an undesirable way, but still.

Yes, but what if his intrusions in time are how events are supposed to happen? We have learned that the TARDIS takes him mostly where he needs to be and not necessarily where he wants to go.

Foxi4 · Sep 28, 2012

431unknown said:
Yes, but what if his intrusions in time are how events are supposed to happen? We have learned that the TARDIS takes him mostly where he needs to be and not necessarily where he wants to go.

Uuuuhh, that's debatable. As a Time Lord child, he gazed into the Time Vortex itself - he "senses" disturbances in time and travels them subconciously. He never travels anywhere without a reason, he merely doesn't realize the reason. The Tardis is a factor here, since it's a living machine, but they're like two pieces of one puzzle in my opinion.

431unknown · Sep 28, 2012

Foxi4 said:
431unknown said:

Yes, but what if his intrusions in time are how events are supposed to happen? We have learned that the TARDIS takes him mostly where he needs to be and not necessarily where he wants to go.

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Uuuuhh, that's debatable. As a Time Lord child, he gazed into the Time Vortex itself - he "senses" disturbances in time and travels them subconciously. He never travels anywhere without a reason, he merely doesn't realize the reason. The Tardis is a factor here, since it's a living machine, but they're like two pieces of one puzzle in my opinion.

I don't think its debatable. In The Doctors Wife as Idris the TARDIS clearly states that while he thinks she hasn't been very reliable she always takes him where he needs to be. While he might not know why he is where he is he now knows he is there for a reason. He didn't gaze into the Time Vortex he gazed into the "Untempered Schism".

Foxi4 · Sep 28, 2012

431unknown said:
I don't think its debatable. In The Doctors Wife as Idris the TARDIS clearly states that while he thinks she hasn't been very reliable she always takes him where he needs to be. While he might not know why he is where he is he now knows he is there for a reason. He didn't gaze into the Time Vortex he gazed into the "Untempered Schism".

The Untempered Schism was an opening in the space/time continuum, "a gap in the fabric of reality from which can be seen the whole of the Vortex".
~TARDIS.wikia.com

It would appear that we're both right, to a degree.

Notice how the latest incarnations of the Doctor always seem to put an aura of mystery around the reasons for their travels, however more often than not, they unveil said reasons at the right time, a few moments later. I think it's a combination of the two.

431unknown · Sep 28, 2012

The TARDIS sees all of time clearer than what the doctor does. It was just that when she was in a humanoid body that she didn't know what the words ment. He can sense fixed points and that's about it. Hell he thought he stole the TARDIS when in actuallity the TARDIS stole him. Match made in heaven? I'd love to see that story for the 50th.

ProtoKun7 · Sep 28, 2012

funem said:
No-one was sure if the BBC considered Paul McGann to be an official Doctor from the 2005 series onwards until his face appeared in the diary in the The Family of Blood episode with David Tennant

I was. Besides, when Christopher was cast, he was referred to as playing the Ninth.

431unknown said:
Hell he thought he stole the TARDIS when in actuallity the TARDIS stole him.

To be fair, it was a bit of both. That TARDIS just happened to be unlocked.

431unknown · Sep 28, 2012

ProtoKun7 said:
funem said:

No-one was sure if the BBC considered Paul McGann to be an official Doctor from the 2005 series onwards until his face appeared in the diary in the The Family of Blood episode with David Tennant

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I was. Besides, when Christopher was cast, he was referred to as playing the Ninth.

431unknown said:

Hell he thought he stole the TARDIS when in actuallity the TARDIS stole him.

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To be fair, it was a bit of both. That TARDIS just happened to be unlocked.

He has stated that not even the collective armies on Ghengis Khan could get in. She left him in. That's why he can open the doors with a click of his fingers or walk right on in. In the classic series tho he usually used a key. If it makes you feel better I'll go along with that tho.

ProtoKun7 · Sep 28, 2012

431unknown said:
ProtoKun7 said:

funem said:

No-one was sure if the BBC considered Paul McGann to be an official Doctor from the 2005 series onwards until his face appeared in the diary in the The Family of Blood episode with David Tennant

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I was. Besides, when Christopher was cast, he was referred to as playing the Ninth.

431unknown said:

Hell he thought he stole the TARDIS when in actuallity the TARDIS stole him.

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To be fair, it was a bit of both. That TARDIS just happened to be unlocked.

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He has stated that not even the collective armies on Ghengis Khan could get in. She left him in. That's why he can open the doors with a click of his fingers or walk right on in. In the classic series tho he usually used a key. If it makes you feel better I'll go along with that tho.

They couldn't get in by force. If it was unlocked, it unlocked itself to let someone in. The doors didn't need to be bulldozed.

Besides, the key still gets used sometimes.

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