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Am I out of the loop? Is this revolutionary as people are making it out to be?
I thought we already had tablet/laptop hybrids, which ran 7 not 8. So what makes this so much better? (Genuine question.) See: Asus Eee Pad Transformer Prime.
 

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The price could be quite low since Microsoft doesn't have to pay for licenses (in a way). Thus the initial hardware is the key here. It's quite possible to price is competitively compared to the iPad, since Apple takes quite a bit of profit off of every unit sold. Thus MS has quite an advantage if they're willing to take a bit of a smaller loss on the tablets at launch. Profits will rise when materials become cheaper :)

ps. What's the hate for Windows 8? If it'd be a PC, I'd understand, but this is a tablet. The reason why metro even exists :D
 

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The price could be quite low since Microsoft doesn't have to pay for licenses (in a way). Thus the initial hardware is the key here. It's quite possible to price is competitively compared to the iPad, since Apple takes quite a bit of profit off of every unit sold. Thus MS has quite an advantage if they're willing to take a bit of a smaller loss on the tablets at launch. Profits will rise when materials become cheaper :)

ps. What's the hate for Windows 8? If it'd be a PC, I'd understand, but this is a tablet. The reason why metro even exists :D

Pretty sure you can just turn off the Metro layout on the PC version and it basically acts like Windows 7 then.

People are just hating because they can. It happens when pretty much any electronic company reveals anything. I, for one, think this is pretty cool.
 

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Am I out of the loop? Is this revolutionary as people are making it out to be?
I thought we already had tablet/laptop hybrids, which ran 7 not 8. So what makes this so much better? (Genuine question.) See: Asus Eee Pad Transformer Prime.
Well we do have a huge variety of tablets, but Apple is able to get 62% of the 100million+ devices sold with only one or two models sold at the same time, there really isn't competition able to fight the iPads. This could really be something that could fight it. Sure Android is nice and all, but it hasn't been able to get to iPad sales even though there are tons of models and many different manufacturers.
 

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Am I out of the loop? Is this revolutionary as people are making it out to be?
I thought we already had tablet/laptop hybrids, which ran 7 not 8. So what makes this so much better? (Genuine question.) See: Asus Eee Pad Transformer Prime.
Well we do have a huge variety of tablets, but Apple is able to get 62% of the 100million+ devices sold with only one or two models sold at the same time, there really isn't competition able to fight the iPads. This could really be something that could fight it. Sure Android is nice and all, but it hasn't been able to get to iPad sales even though there are tons of models and many different manufacturers.
I blame the lack of marketing more than the devices themselves. I don't know many people who are knowledgeable about tablets and the range that would choose an iPad over a Windows 7 tablet computer.

At first I thought this advert was stupid, far too minimalist and painted the tablet in a bit of a fashion-sense appeal rather than function, but thinking on the techniques Apple uses... They may have something.
 

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The price could be quite low since Microsoft doesn't have to pay for licenses (in a way). Thus the initial hardware is the key here. It's quite possible to price is competitively compared to the iPad, since Apple takes quite a bit of profit off of every unit sold. Thus MS has quite an advantage if they're willing to take a bit of a smaller loss on the tablets at launch. Profits will rise when materials become cheaper :)

ps. What's the hate for Windows 8? If it'd be a PC, I'd understand, but this is a tablet. The reason why metro even exists :D

Pretty sure you can just turn off the Metro layout on the PC version and it basically acts like Windows 7 then.

People are just hating because they can. It happens when pretty much any electronic company reveals anything. I, for one, think this is pretty cool.
The thing is, can you do that.

If they can give me a complete Win 7-like layout, then I'm in. I heard it lacks the start button.
 

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people fear change. i remember 2 or more ppl who didnt like the windows 7 aero layout as they migrated from xp. they probably didnt know that u can open two programs/documents and compare them side by side which is an EXTEREMELY useful tool/design.

windows 8 metro puts less color, more focus and better shortcuts than what windows has been putting on the desktop

but i really feel they need the start button to browse through your computer
 

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That thing looks promising, but 1.5 pounds is heavy (I'm already complaining that the new brickPad is heavy enough and it's 1.4 pounds).

What catastrophic celestial event did I miss that altered the Earth's gravitational pull enough to make 1.5 pounds heavy???

Actually, pounds is a unit of force which already considers gravity. So instead of a shift of gravitational pull, it's more of a shift of subjective cluster fucks
 

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people fear change. i remember 2 or more ppl who didnt like the windows 7 aero layout as they migrated from xp. they probably didnt know that u can open two programs/documents and compare them side by side which is an EXTEREMELY useful tool/design.

windows 8 metro puts less color, more focus and better shortcuts than what windows has been putting on the desktop

but i really feel they need the start button to browse through your computer

That's not an improvement for me, I don't use my desktop for icons or gadgets. I use the start menu search function pretty much exclusively.

Also this looks mighty interesting, doubt I can afford to drop the amount a UK pro model will end up being though.
 

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Pretty sure you can just turn off the Metro layout on the PC version and it basically acts like Windows 7 then.

People are just hating because they can. It happens when pretty much any electronic company reveals anything. I, for one, think this is pretty cool.
The thing is, can you do that.

If they can give me a complete Win 7-like layout, then I'm in. I heard it lacks the start button.
If its fully disabled I think the start button returns. The thing is disabling it is not user-friendly and requires going in and editting a Registry Value (quite simple but still not an on/off switch).
We can disable it but MS are still pushing it for desktop use which makes no sense. I can understand them wanting the compatibility layer for the 2 devices so if you own a tablet you can have the same apps on your normal PC but the full Start Menu interface just feels huge on a desktop screen. I have a mouse, I can click small buttons I don't need a giant tile to start up every App.

Back on topic I think this looks pretty damn awesome. Windows 8 should be a nice tablet experience, though its app store is going to be very limited at first so they'll have to work to get devs on board for the Metro Apps. I like the look of this tablet, a sort of convergence of tablet and ultrabook. Like what the Transformer is but less limited as it can run a full desktop (if you buy the Pro).
 

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I doubt it. If its anything like Win Mobile its going to suck ass. I haven't gotten into the beta since I'm not using my own PC but it looks like Windows Mobile PHAT to me, personally I would prefer Android but atleast its not IOS.
Windows 8 (Talking about the Pro version here) = Windows 7 with MetroUI.

Still apps run on both. That's kind of the only thing connecting Windows RT and Windows 8.
They made it look like Windows RT is based on Windows 8, to make RT look like a real OS instead of another Windows Mobile, which has a very bad reputation.
However, what's more likely? That the rewrote Windows 8 to run on arm processors and removed the whole desktop interface in the process or that they just updated Windows Mobile 7.5?
Still developers can now make games and programs that directly run on both, which should give Windows based tablets a huge growth in apps.
No such thing as Windows Mobile - WM was based on Windows CE and it finished its evolution on 6.5. Pretty sure that the new system is called Windows Phone.
 

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The price could be quite low since Microsoft doesn't have to pay for licenses (in a way). Thus the initial hardware is the key here. It's quite possible to price is competitively compared to the iPad, since Apple takes quite a bit of profit off of every unit sold. Thus MS has quite an advantage if they're willing to take a bit of a smaller loss on the tablets at launch. Profits will rise when materials become cheaper :)

ps. What's the hate for Windows 8? If it'd be a PC, I'd understand, but this is a tablet. The reason why metro even exists :D

Pretty sure you can just turn off the Metro layout on the PC version and it basically acts like Windows 7 then.

People are just hating because they can. It happens when pretty much any electronic company reveals anything. I, for one, think this is pretty cool.
The thing is, can you do that.

If they can give me a complete Win 7-like layout, then I'm in. I heard it lacks the start button.
You can't turn MetroUI off as of today, but you *can* install additional software to hide it and use the standard orb instead.

There are many third-party programs that re-create the Windows 7 layout if you're really so allergic to changes, but there really isn't much reason to do so due to the fact that the device has a touchscreen as it is.

Still, just to name a few, ViStart and Start8 are free solutions.

ViStart:
windows-8-start-menu-screenshot.jpg
Start8:
after.png

As you can see, ViStart takes the traditional approach while Start8 tries to blend with the Metro style of Windows. Pick your poison.
 

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Am I out of the loop? Is this revolutionary as people are making it out to be?
I thought we already had tablet/laptop hybrids, which ran 7 not 8. So what makes this so much better? (Genuine question.) See: Asus Eee Pad Transformer Prime.
Well we do have a huge variety of tablets, but Apple is able to get 62% of the 100million+ devices sold with only one or two models sold at the same time, there really isn't competition able to fight the iPads. This could really be something that could fight it. Sure Android is nice and all, but it hasn't been able to get to iPad sales even though there are tons of models and many different manufacturers.
is actually 53% and 51% now respectively http://www.slashgear.com/ios-and-android-tablet-usage-level-reveals-study-18234449/
 

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is actually 53% and 51% now respectively http://www.slashgear...study-18234449/
53% + 51% = 104%
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...but let's forget about this minor miscalculation for now and assume that it's 50/50, in that case it's still a pathological situation. Rarely does a single company hold all the rest literally by the balls in a given sector of the industry. As far as smartphones and tablets go, Apple appears to be the leading brand due to their expert marketing, even if the rival hardware is comparable if not, in many cases, better.​
The situation will resolve itself automatically - be it by Buyer's Remorse for whatever reasons or the competitors stepping up their game, but it has to be healed - otherwise Apple will remain the handbreak of the industry. The competition right now is not "healthy" - rival companies are not creating original products, they're creating designs *to combat those of Apple*, leading to mimicry, often even of the features that people absolutely detest. Hardware manufacturers assume that if Apple's crap sells, they can also create crap and that's simply not the case.​
Every race has a leader - that much is obvious, but if the leader is miles ahead of the rest in rankings not because of skill and invention but because of publicity, you may as well bail from the race.​
The manufacturers should compete on the market using their devices, not ads. They should not copy designs in their entirety like it's going on right now - they should only include functionality that is well-accepted and build on-top of it, rather than creating a design "similar" to something that sells well. This isn't even about the patents, it's about the End-User's choice.​
If not for Apple's iOS menu that's been so well-recieved, who knows how operating systems would look nowadays. Do note that even Android - the strong rival of the iOS mimics the iOS's layout nowadays rather than have its own cup of tea - why?​
Microsoft made a bold move and a statement - they plan to release state-of-the-art technology just like Asus does, combine it with a slimline chassis of the iPad and add their own flavour of Windows 8 - even in x86/x64 form for the Pro edition of surface. This is what I'm talking about - take the good qualities, build upon them and be original by adding a flair of your own inginuity both to the software and the hardware to give the End-User a choice.​
Having 32 devices that do exactly the same, have comparable specs, comparable features and look near-identical is not a choice - it's a matter of brand loyalty. What the users should have is a *choice* between what they value more and what they value less.​
This is only one of the reasons why I think that Apple's portable hardware all-stars - the iPod, iPhone and iPad are a waste of time. When you create only one model of your hardware with one set of features, perhaps with differentiation in the size of storage, you basically show the middle finger to the user and say "you'll have it and you'll like it". I show the middle finger back and reply "Nope". You should too.​


EDIT: For some reason I can't post stuff in clean paragraphs, forgive for the wall of text.
 

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