Hacking 3DS roms yet?

ccfreak2k · May 7, 2011

DeadlyFoez said:
totalnoob617 said:

yes i know, your right , thats my point, i know there are way too many backup managers and not enough everything else,but like you said and like i pointed out piracy always comes first when a console is hacked ,or its the reason for it being hacked ,and that it is a common first step,and then after that we end up seeing homebrew,

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No, the excuse is usually for linux, but that is only for the people that truely understand code. For everyone else it is piracy.

My uneducated opinion: homebrew hackers tend to be the ones that find the entry points into the system, but modchip et al designers capitalize on it. In the case of DS flash carts, though, it diverges: instead of an outright exploit of system code, they simply lift portions of commercial ROMs verbatim. blasty did a cool writeup about the way the Action Replay DSi does it.

In reply to posts from further up that I can't be bothered to find: 3DS ROMs may have been dumped, and I'm willing to buy that because I can't think of a good reason for low-level communication to the cartridge changed a whole lot, but if the contents are encrypted, it's not going to be of much use for now. Being able to dump them from regular DS units just means the protocol is identical, or at least close enough to issue READ commands.

The Catboy · May 7, 2011

tedster912 said:
i just got a 3DS today and i updated my Acekard 2i to be compatible for the 3DS. has any 3DS roms been released yet? like street fighter IV???

Why can't you just buy the games?

chris888222 · May 7, 2011

A Gay Little Catboy said:
tedster912 said:

i just got a 3DS today and i updated my Acekard 2i to be compatible for the 3DS. has any 3DS roms been released yet? like street fighter IV???

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Why can't you just buy the games?

He is just curious i suppose.

No, no roms have been released. It will also take a long time for it to be released. Hopefully the longer the better, the 3DS can't die so soon.

The Catboy · May 7, 2011

chris888222 said:
A Gay Little Catboy said:

tedster912 said:

i just got a 3DS today and i updated my Acekard 2i to be compatible for the 3DS. has any 3DS roms been released yet? like street fighter IV???

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Why can't you just buy the games?

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He is just curious i suppose.

No, no roms have been released. It will also take a long time for it to be released. Hopefully the longer the better, the 3DS can't die so soon.

Most people curious about the roms and own flashcards are normally just interested in pirating them.

ChrisRX · May 7, 2011

totalnoob617 said:
yes i know, your right , thats my point, i know there are way too many backup managers and not enough everything else,but like you said and like i pointed out piracy always comes first when a console is hacked ,or its the reason for it being hacked ,and that it is a common first step,and then after that we end up seeing homebrew,

No it isn't. If you really understood the mindset of someone interesting in electronics or software, their first reaction to a new piece of hardware or software is to take it apart and figure out how it works. If it's a closed system, then the next step is to investigate the security to allow them to do whatever they want with the hardware they've spent their money on.
The whole piracy following is really just an embarrassment to the hacker scene when you have people who pump in months or years of hard work just to have a bunch of 12 year olds use your work for nothing more than "y duz my pokemon not work". This is the reason that most of this hacking is done in private and not shared with the piracy following.
Also, I couldn't think of a better term than "piracy following" because the "piracy scene" is also another legitimate scene that just gets embarrassed by the hoards of people just downloading games by the bucketload.

AlanJohn · May 7, 2011

I loled when I read the topic title imo.
The 3DS came out a month ago, and you already want 3DS roms????

The Catboy · May 7, 2011

AlanJohn said:
I loled when I read the topic title imo.
The 3DS came out a month ago, and you already want 3DS roms????

Not too shocking. Lazy ass spoiled brats wanted roms literary a day after the release.

totalnoob617 · May 7, 2011

who cares about piracy, really?people are so stupid with this drivel "oh noes 3ds is going to die because or piracy,if its hacked" the fact is that every game console ever made, or at least the popular ones,the ones that matter ,have been hacked and allow piracy,it does not affect the life of the console or the games, it does not kill the console, it has absolutely no effect on the industry, because despite piracy being ever more popular the game industry has only grown exponentially in profitability it is now even more profitable than the movie industry,and what people dont realize,although im not sure it affects the ds or cart based system(although it is a possibility)is that there are factories ,in china, that have thousands of or commercial,professional ,pressing machines,they can stamp out perfect 1:1 copies of anything on an optical disc,be it dvd or dl-dvd or blu-ray,anything,pc games ,console games,blu-ray movies,whatever, and they "pirate" or to be more accurate counterfeit these games by the boatload,
and they dont need to wait until a console is hacked or for an encryption key ,like decss key to do it either, they have been counterfeiting ps2,pc, ps3 and 360 games and wii games from the day the consoles were released,perfect copies that can not be differentiated from the real thing,you could have one right now and not know it,and its far more detrimental than people who "pirate"(which is not real piracy ,but in fact,fair use)

(you have just been brainwashed by corporations to believe its "piracy"and bad and "morally wrong",and to believe it affects the ability for entertainment companies to stay a profitable and viable business,which is all BS)

games by modifying their console,because even the wii,(which has the most users of modified consoles ever),only has a modified user base of slightly under 1% of all consoles,its trivial,and its especially trivial when compared to the # of counterfeits being produced in other countries,like china,even though there are no numbers for that sort of thing ,im sure it far exceeds any loss or potential loss from hacked consoles,and yet still the video game industry has not only remained a profitable business model,but has grown to be larger than the the movie business,and is more profitable than ever
i guess it was ok for sony to scream "fair use" in court when they wanted to market betamax all those years ago ,when the movie studios were concerned over people sharing content,(oh how times have changed)but now they sue people for even thinking about thinking about thinking about sharing anything, even with their other devices, they are total Hippocrates
the fact is that backups and managers have legitimate uses,and even sharing games by downloading them should fall under fair use,its the same as sony making a high speed dubbing dual tape deck in the 80's or a high speed dubbing vcr,when content was only sold on tape media, and someone would borrow a music cassette or vhs movie from a friend and copy it,so it was ok for sony to sell devices that allowed you to do that,like they sell blu-ray burners and dvd burners now, but if you so much you as release information or a code or a method to get a code that allows someone else to develop something else that allows someone else to develop something else that allows someone else to develop something that allows you to backup a ps3 game ,they sue you.
when you do that and give it away for free they call it "a circumvention device" and sue,but when they did it with betamax,or do it with disc burners,sell them, and make $ from it, its ok
piracy has been around since the beginning and it hasn't hurt the music industry,the movie industry ,or the video game industry
people dont get what it mean when a company goes public and has an IPO(initial public offering),it is no longer about being profitable ,it is about beating an imaginary expectation set by wall st.
they expect public companies to increase their profits more and more each quarter, indefinitely into infinity,its not even sustainable, and its not based on any reality or what the company needs to earn to be a profitable company,its based on if it will make people who like to speculate on things, more money

Nollog · May 8, 2011

totalnoob617 said:
blahblahblah

I just want it so 3rd parties don't have some retarded excuse this time.

bluebright · May 8, 2011

totalnoob617 said:
who cares about piracy, really?people are so stupid with this drivel "oh noes 3ds is going to die because or piracy,if its hacked" the fact is that every game console ever made, or at least the popular ones,the ones that matter ,have been hacked and allow piracy,it does not affect the life of the console or the games, it does not kill the console, it has absolutely no effect on the industry, because despite piracy being ever more popular the game industry has only grown exponentially in profitability it is now even more profitable than the movie industry,and what people dont realize,although im not sure it affects the ds or cart based system(although it is a possibility)is that there are factories ,in china, that have thousands of or commercial,professional ,pressing machines,they can stamp out perfect 1:1 copies of anything on an optical disc,be it dvd or dl-dvd or blu-ray,anything,pc games ,console games,blu-ray movies,whatever, and they "pirate" or to be more accurate counterfeit these games by the boatload,
and they dont need to wait until a console is hacked or for an encryption key ,like decss key to do it either, they have been counterfeiting ps2,pc, ps3 and 360 games and wii games from the day the consoles were released,perfect copies that can not be differentiated from the real thing,you could have one right now and not know it,and its far more detrimental than people who "pirate"(which is not real piracy ,but in fact,fair use)(you have just been brainwashed by corporations to believe its "piracy"and bad and "morally wrong",and to believe it affects their ability for entertainment companies to stay a profitable and viable business,which is all BS)games by modifying their console,because even the wii,which has the most users of modified consoles ever,only has a modified user base of slightly under 1% of all consoles,its trivial,and its especially trivial when compared to the # of counterfeits being produced in other countries,like china,even though there are no numbers for that sort of thing ,im sure it far exceeds any loss or potential loss from hacked consoles
i guess it was ok for sony to scream "fair use" in court when they wanted to market betamax all those years ago ,when the movie studios were concerned over people sharing content,(oh how times have changed)but now they sue people for even thinking about thinking about thinking about sharing anything, even with their other devices, they are total Hippocrates
the fact is that backups and managers have legitimate uses,and even sharing games by downloading them should fall under fair use,its the same as sony making a high speed dubbing dual tape deck in the 80's or a high speed dubbing vcr,when content was only sold on tape media, and someone would borrow a music cassette or vhs movie from a friend and copy it,so it was ok for sony to sell devices that allowed you to do that,like they sell blu-ray burners and dvd burners now, but if you so much you as release information or a code or a method to get a code that allows someone else to develop something else that allows someone else to develop something else that allows someone else to develop something that allows you to backup a ps3 game ,they sue you.
when you do that and give it away for free they call it "a circumvention device" and sue,but when they did it with betamax,or do it with disc burners,sell them, and make $ from it, its ok
piracy has been around since the beginning and it hasn't hurt the music industry,the movie industry ,or the video game industry
people dont get what it mean when a company goes public and has an IPO(initial public offering),it is no longer about being profitable ,it is about beating an imaginary expectation set by wall st.
they expect public companies to increase their profits more and more each quarter, indefinitely into infinity,its not even sustainable, and its not based on any reality or what the company needs to earn to be a profitable company,its based on if it will make people who like to speculate on things, more money

8BitWalugi · May 8, 2011

totalnoob617 said:
*You know what makes me feel cool, a fucking wall of text*

tl;dr, get your facts right, learn some fucking grammar.

Pippin666 · May 9, 2011

totalnoob617 said:
who cares about piracy, really?people are so stupid with this drivel "oh noes 3ds is going to die because or piracy,if its hacked" the fact is that every game console ever made, or at least the popular ones,the ones that matter ,have been hacked and allow piracy,it does not affect the life of the console or the games, it does not kill the console, it has absolutely no effect on the industry, because despite piracy being ever more popular the game industry has only grown exponentially in profitability it is now even more profitable than the movie industry,and what people dont realize,although im not sure it affects the ds or cart based system(although it is a possibility)is that there are factories ,in china, that have thousands of or commercial,professional ,pressing machines,they can stamp out perfect 1:1 copies of anything on an optical disc,be it dvd or dl-dvd or blu-ray,anything,pc games ,console games,blu-ray movies,whatever, and they "pirate" or to be more accurate counterfeit these games by the boatload,
and they dont need to wait until a console is hacked or for an encryption key ,like decss key to do it either, they have been counterfeiting ps2,pc, ps3 and 360 games and wii games from the day the consoles were released,perfect copies that can not be differentiated from the real thing,you could have one right now and not know it,and its far more detrimental than people who "pirate"(which is not real piracy ,but in fact,fair use)

(you have just been brainwashed by corporations to believe its "piracy"and bad and "morally wrong",and to believe it affects the ability for entertainment companies to stay a profitable and viable business,which is all BS)

games by modifying their console,because even the wii,(which has the most users of modified consoles ever),only has a modified user base of slightly under 1% of all consoles,its trivial,and its especially trivial when compared to the # of counterfeits being produced in other countries,like china,even though there are no numbers for that sort of thing ,im sure it far exceeds any loss or potential loss from hacked consoles,and yet still the video game industry has not only remained a profitable business model,but has grown to be larger than the the movie business,and is more profitable than ever
i guess it was ok for sony to scream "fair use" in court when they wanted to market betamax all those years ago ,when the movie studios were concerned over people sharing content,(oh how times have changed)but now they sue people for even thinking about thinking about thinking about sharing anything, even with their other devices, they are total Hippocrates
the fact is that backups and managers have legitimate uses,and even sharing games by downloading them should fall under fair use,its the same as sony making a high speed dubbing dual tape deck in the 80's or a high speed dubbing vcr,when content was only sold on tape media, and someone would borrow a music cassette or vhs movie from a friend and copy it,so it was ok for sony to sell devices that allowed you to do that,like they sell blu-ray burners and dvd burners now, but if you so much you as release information or a code or a method to get a code that allows someone else to develop something else that allows someone else to develop something else that allows someone else to develop something that allows you to backup a ps3 game ,they sue you.
when you do that and give it away for free they call it "a circumvention device" and sue,but when they did it with betamax,or do it with disc burners,sell them, and make $ from it, its ok
piracy has been around since the beginning and it hasn't hurt the music industry,the movie industry ,or the video game industry
people dont get what it mean when a company goes public and has an IPO(initial public offering),it is no longer about being profitable ,it is about beating an imaginary expectation set by wall st.
they expect public companies to increase their profits more and more each quarter, indefinitely into infinity,its not even sustainable, and its not based on any reality or what the company needs to earn to be a profitable company,its based on if it will make people who like to speculate on things, more money

You seem to know what you are talking about. But you obviously hyou don't. Any industry is there to make money, a lost sale is a lost sale. I run a grocery store, if a customer or an employe steels something it's a lost sale, less profit. At the end of the year, 1% lost sale of 6 000 000 dollars is WORTH the time and effort to fight. Same applies to piracy as it is a form of stealing.

Pip'

Slynk · May 9, 2011

Pippin666 said:
You seem to know what you are talking about. But you obviously hyou don't. Any industry is there to make money, a lost sale is a lost sale. I run a grocery store, if a customer or an employe steels something it's a lost sale, less profit. At the end of the year, 1% lost sale of 6 000 000 dollars is WORTH the time and effort to fight. Same applies to piracy as it is a form of stealing.

Pip'

Except that that's not how piracy always works. I pirate games because I literally don't have the money to buy them. I didn't have the money to buy them all last year while I was working two jobs trying to keep my apartment, and I don't have the money now that I'm evicted with no job. And the fact is even if I saved up for a game, chances are w/e I would have pirated I wouldn't get anyway, because something new and better would have come out. So no, it's not always a loss of money. A lot of people who pirate games would not provide money to the industry regardless.

tedster912 · May 9, 2011

A Gay Little Catboy said:
tedster912 said:

i just got a 3DS today and i updated my Acekard 2i to be compatible for the 3DS. has any 3DS roms been released yet? like street fighter IV???

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Why can't you just buy the games?

i bought the 3DS to get the games, especially Ocarina of Time. a day after i bought it, i went to campus and a dude gave me his spare acekard 2i. i came home to check it out and found out it was compatible for 3DS. i just didnt know it wasnt 3DS game compatible, thats why i came here. i am going to purchase games. reason i didnt buy a game when i bought the console was because at the moment im short on cash.

tedster912 · May 9, 2011

bluebright, piracy has effected the music and movie industry, mainly music. all over the states or nearby me, the movie stores and music stores such as FYE and Suncoast have gone out of business. people have stopped buying the music products because they can easily buy it online OR pirate them. oh and Blockbuster is also going down. All because of digital downloads and piracy. so everything is going digital and people are taking advantage of it and pirating

so piracy does effect the music and movie industry and it may eventually impact the gaming industry

Briadark · May 9, 2011

There aren't roms yet (It's just out DUH the ds take a year!) and the flash cart makers say it'll take a year.
But 3DS games are worth buying man!

Slynk · May 9, 2011

tedster912 said:
bluebright, piracy has effected the music and movie industry, mainly music. all over the states or nearby me, the movie stores and music stores such as FYE and Suncoast have gone out of business. people have stopped buying the music products because they can easily buy it online OR pirate them. oh and Blockbuster is also going down. All because of digital downloads and piracy. so everything is going digital and people are taking advantage of it and pirating

so piracy does effect the music and movie industry and it may eventually impact the gaming industry

Blockbuster is dying due to redbox, netflix, and hulu NOT because of piracy.

But yes the music industry is effected, not by much though. Do you see a dip in the amount of live concerts? But with movies, people like to watch their movies in HD, and to do that with a bluray rip (.mkv) takes a hell of a lot of work (unless you're just going to play it on your computer... but then what's that nice surround sound system for?) You're options are to burn it to a bluray disc... anyone have a burner and discs?... or try to stream it, which depending on your set up will result in a loss of quality. So it's much easier to just buy the damn bluray disc or rent it. If you buy it, you'll most likely get a dvd and/or digital copy with it which is always a plus.

Pippin666 · May 10, 2011

Slynk said:
Pippin666 said:

You seem to know what you are talking about. But you obviously hyou don't. Any industry is there to make money, a lost sale is a lost sale. I run a grocery store, if a customer or an employe steels something it's a lost sale, less profit. At the end of the year, 1% lost sale of 6 000 000 dollars is WORTH the time and effort to fight. Same applies to piracy as it is a form of stealing.

Pip'

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Except that that's not how piracy always works. I pirate games because I literally don't have the money to buy them. I didn't have the money to buy them all last year while I was working two jobs trying to keep my apartment, and I don't have the money now that I'm evicted with no job. And the fact is even if I saved up for a game, chances are w/e I would have pirated I wouldn't get anyway, because something new and better would have come out. So no, it's not always a loss of money. A lot of people who pirate games would not provide money to the industry regardless.

That's total bullshit. When you don't have money for something it doesn't give you the right or the moral to steal. I don't have a car because I cannot afford it, I will not steal one.

Pip'

Rydian · May 10, 2011

Piracy is not stealing.

However gaming is a want, not a need. There's no need to do anything in relation to gaming.

Slynk · May 10, 2011

Pippin666 said:
That's total bullshit. When you don't have money for something it doesn't give you the right or the moral to steal. I don't have a car because I cannot afford it, I will not steal one.

Pip'

If cars where in an infinite supply would anyone care that you stole one? We're talking about digital content, things of infinite supply. The developer does not lose anything. They also don't gain anything. But if I have no money, they wouldn't gain money for that game anyways now would they? Whether I pirate a game or not has 0% impact on the developer. That's right 0%. By the time I saved up the money to get it in the first place, I'd probably buy it used. Guess what? The developer doesn't get anything then either.

Let's apply this to your car logic. We'll have to invent a magical machine that "downloads" cars. And you own a car dealership. So if I don't have the money to buy your car, but I want it what are my options?

1) I can save up for one. Problem is, there's a reason I don't have the money for it in the first place right? I mean if the car costs $40-$60 and I don't have even that then maybe I shouldn't spend my money on it in the first place. Which is what people did before piracy exploded, you don't have the money... you just don't get it.

2) I buy it cheaper somewhere. Say I can afford a cheaper car. A used version of your car, or another car all together. Problem with this option is, you don't get the money either way.

3)I "pirate" the car. Regardless of the options, you don't get any money. So why not? The only reason you don't is because someone told you it's illegal. No one is harmed so why is it wrong? I get something for free, and you're completely unaffected. IN FACT if I like my free car, I could potentially buy from you in the future if I ever get a raise.

Now this is only when money is the factor for piracy. Sometimes, people are just greedy.

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