Hacking [MMM] Multi-Mod Manager (a collection of tools)

OOOH, BURN!
And yes, I am my own person. Glad you don't know me either, because you'd be literally kissing my ass for forgiveness if you did.
As far as this goes, the whole thing should just go to hell. It's a useless ripoff of a good program that was written by a very dedicated team, whereas this is just an old buggy version of the same program combined with an equally old and buggy program that's main use is to facilitate piracy. The fact that you put Wanin, Hermes, and the warezloader people on your list of famous people only increases that idea that this was made just for pirates.
Also, may I remind you again that the GPL _is_ legally binding and holds up in court. If you don't want your ass sued, I recommend you either take the program down or release the source code.

OArikadoO is weak. We should stop attacking him.

P.S. My dad and mum always say that rude people are weak.

jskyboo said:

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Arikado and Lunatik are the shit of the Wii homebrew scene and everyone knows it

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Are you serious?? When most people think of the great devs in the scene they think of TT, wanin, hermes, those involved with some of the usb loaders, Marc, tantric, eke eke, and others. Arikado does not yet earn a spot up there.

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Yes, I'm serious and I'm damn proud to say he may be at the top of my list asshole. How the fuck are waninkoko and hermes great coders? They fail almost as much as you do. Marc is certainly far inferior to Arikado (and I can think of about 20 other devs as well), Arikado has done infinitely more and better work than him. When was the last thing TT or eke-eke even did anything? Arikado is exciting, he's always doing something cool and he's been around nearly just as long as them. TT actually loves him - he runs the wiibrew forums and sysops dsibrew. I bet you also don't know he's close to emulating DS games on the Wii with his port of DeSmuME. And I would say Arikado is evenly matched with Tantric. They both normally work in different fields so it's hard to choose one over the other.

You Sir, are now on the top of another one of my lists: The biggest losers in the universe! Seriously, go play in rush-hour traffic faggot.

TeenTin said:

OArikadoO is weak. We should stop attacking him.

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Lulz you are hilarious. Seriously man learn when you're wrong. This app as I said before is a shoddy reconstruction of a good app, not to mention that the legality is in serious question...

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I said that since we have full WAD Installtion support throughout our app that the only reason WAD Manager would be added for be for illegal reasons. There's a slight difference there, but it makes a huge impact. So installing forwarders and other such legal wads is in your view illegal reason? or are you referring to the pirated vc? or cios? Unless your fight is that nothing but nintendo signed code is legal then you really aren't making a strong argument, so stop repeating it.

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Lies. All of these new features are accomplished by a bug Lunatik found in the Wii (bushing didn't even know it existed until we told him). Granted, there are other ways to get some of them work without Lunatik's bug, but some can only exist because of the bug (ie: TRUE and safe downgrading). Try linking to proof if you expect anyone else to believe your ridiculous claims.This is completely false, maybe the way your team did it was by Lunatik's new bug, but guess what most of those I added myself without your code as you were keeping it closed source. And for the proof? http://gbatemp.net/index.php?showtopic=200...t&p=2599849 Yeah I released that LONG before your version 12 was on an open svn or released to the public, you may have had some beta outs but no source. And if you look at my source I probably accomplished the features in a different way as me and Lunatik are not the same person and took different approaches to it.

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So you basically just said you directly stole more of our code. Not that everyone doesn’t know already know ;P Dayum I wish I had your ctrl-c, ctrl-v skills bro.Are you not reading anything I said? I said your code was CLOSED SOURCE, I developed those features in parallel to your team!
QUOTEOur config file does a lot more so what are you trying to prove?

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So does my config. Im saying stop saying its a feature that mmm doesn't have. Because it does it it was added first.
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We had one bug a long time ago which was literally a coding typo that messed up some channel settings (people who were harmed by it could easily fix it by resetting their Wii). It was corrected. Are you drunk? Exactly what are you trying to prove here beyond the fact that you don't understand what a brick is?

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I don't know if they were perma bricks, I didn't use it! What I do know is many on this site complained of bricking their wii. Many complained on your google code page, which now is erased, about it bricking their wii. I know that it was a small typo during a code rewrite of a function that you already had, and yes you fixed it, you changed it back to the way it was when you took the code from syscheck, or ioscheck or signcheck whichever it was. I don't know what LemonMan said about your program but he probably likes yours cause it is convenient when modifying your IOSes. Which is exactly why I added it when people asked for it and it seemed like you wouldn't add it. I also added that first and im really not sure you would have ever added it had I not released my first version. So at least im accomplishing my goals in exciting other devs to add features.

@tpw_rules, Cornell, Crisco and anyone else that comes along that created an account in the last 48 hours. Like I said before if you are not here for support of this app, no one cares that you want to use another app instead. As for "Better GUI", that is an opinion and while dop-mii has made some changes probably for the better, if users like Wiiwu's more who are you to say they are wrong! As for the "more new features" and "Not designed for piracy" im not going to reiterate, read my previous posts in this thread. "More bugs", yeah the dop-ios mod team's bugs. Some of which we addressed ourselves and some which have come since our last versions, all which can be fixed in the future. "Two out-dated apps hastily combined together", stop quoting Arikado if you aren't him, because wad manager is neither buggy nor very out dated. Wanin is actually a quite skilled coder, while I don't know about this other ds emu project so far I have not seen Arikado to be anywhere near as skilled as wanin so yes even though wanin supports piracy he is MUCH more influential in this scene. Yes there is YAWMM, http://gbatemp.net/index.php?showtopic=210290, it came out once again AFTER my last release and the features that are not in the program yet, yes can be added.
"When was the last thing TT [...] even did anything?" Are you kidding?? If you don't recognize Bootmii as one of the greatest brick protection and low level hook to ever come out of the wii homebrew scene and Homebrew Channel as one of the most used apps of the scene then you are just being silly.

If you don't want to use this app, no one is forcing you to! Stop flaming this thread. As for the GPL thing, that could be a simple misunderstanding on wiiwu's fault, either way mmm is not my project and if he doesn't release it NO it is not my business. I have always released my source and thanked the authors of the apps I have added to the source. I never have even cited myself as I really don't care. I released my app cause that is just it, it is my app the one I use when messing with my wii and I released the source so others could benefit, if that angers Arikado, well don't add wad manager I never said you had to, I said if you don't others will, because that is the nature of open source. And Arikado, if you were trying to deter other from this app all you have done is keep it on top of the page all day and probably draw more people towards it.

Wanky writing good code!? ARE YOU FUCKING OUT OF YOUR GODDAMN MIND!? He is possibly the worst coder I have ever seen! The code is sloppy, has no real standard, is highly inefficient, and is very buggy and glitchy! Maybe if you'd stop promotion of this shit, we'd stop complaining about it! You are so fucking blind, you can't even take responsibility for your own failures. Seriously, give it up.

just read through pages and pages of flaming... and the main reason why I am writing is to try to restore some sanity to this thread!!

first off, no1 needs to argue over who is a good wii developer and who is not... I can't think of a single wii developer that made the wii scene worse off by making his work public. So I thank TT, wanin, hermes, arikado, wiiwu, jskyboo etc. etc. they have all made their own unique contribution to the wii community... shit I think the wii community has even benefited slightly from me, and i'm a NOBODY compared to people like that (I can't stress that enough).

honestly, if u guys could get along i bet u could combine MMM and Dop-Mii... but hell will freeze over before u guys can work together... but at very least learn to tolerate each other

also, wiiwu doesn't have to publicly post his source code, but he should say it's available upon request (and obviously he MUST send it upon request, otherwise, yes it is illegal... frankly I don't care what he does, he's his own man and can make his own decisions)

so, thanks to all u devs, for spending your long days coding (and apparently for spending all night flaming haha, just kidding)

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honestly, if u guys could get along i bet u could combine MMM and Dop-Mii... but hell will freeze over before u guys can work together... but at very least learn to tolerate each other
This will never happen. Mainly because it never has to, since MMM is just an old version of DOP-Mii with a crappy GUI and WAD Manager.

QUOTE(xflak40 @ Mar 8 2010, 09:49 PM) also, wiiwu doesn't have to publicly post his source code, but he should say it's available upon request (and obviously he MUST send it upon request, otherwise, yes it is illegal... frankly I don't care what he does, he's his own man and can make his own decisions)

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Yes he does. Read the GPL, it specifically _requires_ the source code be open to the public.

I'm only getting involved in this argument for 1 reason only. The GPL license issue. Please read this below and i'm stressing it in bold so everyone knows the truth.

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Does the GPL require that source code of modified versions be posted to the public?
The GPL does not require you to release your modified version, or any part of it. You are free to make modifications and use them privately, without ever releasing them. This applies to organizations (including companies), too; an organization can make a modified version and use it internally without ever releasing it outside the organization.

But if you release the modified version to the public in some way, the GPL requires you to make the modified source code available to the program's users, under the GPL.

Thus, the GPL gives permission to release the modified program in certain ways, and not in other ways; but the decision of whether to release it is up to you.

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Reference here http://www.gnu.org/licenses/gpl-faq.html#G...rcePostedPublic

Also I just want to add 1 more thing. I did not keep my code closed source. The reason I did not commit my code to svn was because I wanted my code to be tested very throughly before releasing it to the public. Because the Wii is very "picky" on what you can and cannot do, I wanted to be sure that what I provide to the public is "safe" to use. So as far as the closed source argument goes, this can be stopped now!!! It was and is not my intention to keep the code closed source. If I don't publish the source right away in any project that I do then I have a very legitmate reason for not doing so. If any of you think I'm a prick for being very careful on not releasing the code until I felt it was safe to use, well guess what you can get over it.

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Also I just want to add 1 more thing. I did not keep my code closed source. The reason I did not commit my code to svn was because I wanted my code to be tested very throughly before releasing it to the public. Because the Wii is very "picky" on what you can and cannot do, I wanted to be sure that what I provide to the public is "safe" to use. So as far as the closed source argument goes, this can be stopped now!!! It was and is not my intention to keep the code closed source. If I don't publish the source right away in any project that I do then I have a very legitmate reason for not doing so. If any of you think I'm a prick for being very careful on not releasing the code until I felt it was safe to use, well guess what you can get over it.

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By closed I did not mean a fully closed source program I simply meant that it was not available at the time and for Arikado to claim I somehow stole it from the unreleased source is silly. I like that you tested the program extensively it was a major code rewrite. Lunatik I really don't have any problem with you, its Arikado going around spreading lies about the apps and trying as hard as he can to stop the developement. I understand it is under the GPL and yes that says the source should be available so you do have a reason to talk to Wiiwu about this, but this flame war really is ridiculous.

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Lunatik. said:

Also I just want to add 1 more thing. I did not keep my code closed source. The reason I did not commit my code to svn was because I wanted my code to be tested very throughly before releasing it to the public. Because the Wii is very "picky" on what you can and cannot do, I wanted to be sure that what I provide to the public is "safe" to use. So as far as the closed source argument goes, this can be stopped now!!! It was and is not my intention to keep the code closed source. If I don't publish the source right away in any project that I do then I have a very legitmate reason for not doing so. If any of you think I'm a prick for being very careful on not releasing the code until I felt it was safe to use, well guess what you can get over it.

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By closed I did not mean a fully closed source program I simply meant that it was not available at the time and for Arikado to claim I somehow stole it from the unreleased source is silly. I like that you tested the program extensively it was a major code rewrite. Lunatik I really don't have any problem with you, its Arikado going around spreading lies about the apps and trying as hard as he can to stop the developement. I understand it is under the GPL and yes that says the source should be available so you do have a reason to talk to Wiiwu about this, but this flame war really is ridiculous.

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Thanks for your clarification. I do agree with you as far as this silly war goes, however I do understand where Arikado is coming from. It can be frustating where we haven't offically released our application to the public, and others are already copying it and releasing it before we offically call it stable. However, software is software and truthfully I'm ok with sharing code with others as long as credit is given to where credit is due. This is why personally i'm trying to stay out of this battle but I did want to at least address the things that did concern me as things like the GPL license, no credits to the original developers, and those items that needed clarification where it was incorrectly stated in previous posts.

Unless anyone has a specific issue to address to me, you can PM me, otherwise I'm bowing out of this thread.

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So installing forwarders and other such legal wads is in your view illegal reason? or are you referring to the pirated vc? or cios? Unless your fight is that nothing but nintendo signed code is legal then you really aren't making a strong argument, so stop repeating it.
I beg to differ as most forwarders use illegal banners because people are too lazy to use a legal base wad. Regardless, I have trouble seeing why people would want to use DOP-Mii more than once. You should only have to perform the functionality we provide once in a great while; Keeping WAD Manager separate from DOP-Mii is actually more convenient for people who want to use it so they don't have to scroll through big menus.

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This is completely false, maybe the way your team did it was by Lunatik's new bug, but guess what most of those I added myself without your code as you were keeping it closed source. And for the proof? http://gbatemp.net/index.php?showtopic=200...t&p=2599849 Yeah I released that LONG before your version 12 was on an open svn or released to the public, you may have had some beta outs but no source. And if you look at my source I probably accomplished the features in a different way as me and Lunatik are not the same person and took different approaches to it.
Yeah, I've seen that. It's almost our v11 source line for line plus your broken and poor attempt at a priiloader installion function (DOP-Mii has a superior (and working) one seeing as Daco, the author of Priiloader, helped to develop it) and plus a crappy attempt at signcheck (again, what we wrote in place of signcheck is better according to the author of it; LemonMan).

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Are you not reading anything I said? I said your code was CLOSED SOURCE, I developed those features in parallel to your team!
I read what you said. This is what you said, "So I waited for your team to finish it, why duplicate everything your team was already doing?". Dude, put away that booze you're drinking for a bit. You don't even remember what you're saying.

QUOTE(jskyboo @ Mar 8 2010, 11:15 PM) So does my config. Im saying stop saying its a feature that mmm doesn't have. Because it does it it was added first.

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Yes, but the stuff your config file does we have allowed our users to manually set forever. The stuff our config file does is set options that would be too difficult to set inside the program. Burying options within the config file is lame, then your users don't what the program is doing. How is your average user going to figure out the default IOS loaded is obfuscated deep within the config file for example (and that's hugely inane of course).

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I don't know if they were perma bricks, I didn't use it! What I do know is many on this site complained of bricking their wii. Many complained on your google code page, which now is erased, about it bricking their wii. I know that it was a small typo during a code rewrite of a function that you already had, and yes you fixed it, you changed it back to the way it was when you took the code from syscheck, or ioscheck or signcheck whichever it was. I don't know what LemonMan said about your program but he probably likes yours cause it is convenient when modifying your IOSes. Which is exactly why I added it when people asked for it and it seemed like you wouldn't add it. I also added that first and im really not sure you would have ever added it had I not released my first version. So at least im accomplishing my goals in exciting other devs to add features.

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Obviously you never used our version of the program, if you did you would realize how ridiculous your modification is and you would go hang yourself. Why the hell are bothering me about old bugs we had jskybooze? (And for the last time, that bug did not brick people - problems were fixed by users resetting their Wii - and unlike you we took care of it like our other bugs in less than 24 hours). Why don't I pick on every bug you ever had? Hell, you still don't have full USB support or full gamecube controller support which has been a staple of DOP-Mii nearly its entire life.

"@tpw_rules, Cornell, Crisco and anyone else that comes along that created an account in the last 48 hours."
FYI, one of those three as well as other people posting in my favor have been here for over a year. They might not have the inane post count as your 2 otaku fanboys do, but who gives a shit. They've clearly been following this thread and are finally fed up enough with you to post something.

Comparing me to waninkoko?
Are effing serious right now? 1)I'm not a pirate coder and 2)I don't rely on illegal methods to make things work and 3)I don't make effing goto do everything (Seriously, he codes like he's writing BASIC, not C) and 4) I don't make every other line fflush(stdout);. I had a sort of rivalry respect for you throughout this little battle but you hailing waninkoko has made me lose all of that respect for you. Realize that the current backup and USB loaders and best WAD Installers aren't even made by him.

Lastly, why the hell are you even here? This is less of your program than anyone elses (at most you did 1% of the work in it), so seriously just stfu and let the men finish their business here. You clearly don't understand my program and I've proven that you barely understand your own. You certainly don't understand the GPL. In other words, do to your lack of understanding of about, well, everything you have nothing to constructive to say in this discussion between you and I. Please get out before I take away what little of your dignity remains jskybooze.

deba94 said:

noobwarrior7 said:

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Arikado and Lunatik are the shit of the Wii homebrew scene and everyone knows it

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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA

whatever you are on, don't be stingy.

PS: to the lamers, seriously?, you're dragging a bunch of folks who barely post to come troll back you up on your stupid argument that it's even possible for your app to be "Better"....why didn't you go die like I asked you to? I'm waiting. Are those accounts even other people, or just you trying to reinforce your delusions?

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Oh man, noobwarrior7! you still on this forum? jeeze. I thought you woulda grown out of it. Guess i was wrong. What's it been now? 3 years? Damn. Some people just have nothing better to do with their lives.

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???....you lost me there....kinda a weird statement coming from someone who dedicated months and months to getting old NES and SNES games that already play on emulators to play from the wii system menu.....also kind of off-topic.....are you okay? do you need something.

Wiiwu and jskyboo, the haters don't even make sense...you might as well just let them talk themselves to death.

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???....you lost me there....kinda a weird statement coming from someone who dedicated months and months to getting old NES and SNES games that already play on emulators to play from the wii system menu.....also kind of off-topic.....are you okay? do you need something.

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Though I don't see how getting thousands of hits and downloads compares to bitching at people for 3 constant years on a forum :3
(for the record, it's more than NES/SNES; TG16, N64, GEN, C64, GG, and many others along with unofficial VC types including GBA.)
I'm glad you still remember me though

deba94 said:

noobwarrior7 said:

???....you lost me there....kinda a weird statement coming from someone who dedicated months and months to getting old NES and SNES games that already play on emulators to play from the wii system menu.....also kind of off-topic.....are you okay? do you need something.

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Though I don't see how getting thousands of hits and downloads compares to bitching at people for 3 constant years on a forum :3
(for the record, it's more than NES/SNES; TG16, N64, GEN, C64, GG, and many others along with unofficial VC types including GBA.)
I'm glad you still remember me though

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STFU you and get back in mvit's shadow

Wiisel said:

deba94 said:

noobwarrior7 said:

???....you lost me there....kinda a weird statement coming from someone who dedicated months and months to getting old NES and SNES games that already play on emulators to play from the wii system menu.....also kind of off-topic.....are you okay? do you need something.

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Though I don't see how getting thousands of hits and downloads compares to bitching at people for 3 constant years on a forum :3
(for the record, it's more than NES/SNES; TG16, N64, GEN, C64, GG, and many others along with unofficial VC types including GBA.)
I'm glad you still remember me though

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STFU you and get back in mvit's shadow

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lol wiisel. You're on the forums too? Damn shame.

and what does mvit have to do with this? :s he cant inject for shit last time I checked

deba94 said:

Wiisel said:

deba94 said:

noobwarrior7 said:

???....you lost me there....kinda a weird statement coming from someone who dedicated months and months to getting old NES and SNES games that already play on emulators to play from the wii system menu.....also kind of off-topic.....are you okay? do you need something.

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Though I don't see how getting thousands of hits and downloads compares to bitching at people for 3 constant years on a forum :3
(for the record, it's more than NES/SNES; TG16, N64, GEN, C64, GG, and many others along with unofficial VC types including GBA.)
I'm glad you still remember me though

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STFU you and get back in mvit's shadow

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lol wiisel. You're on the forums too? Damn shame.

and what does mvit have to do with this? :s he cant inject for shit last time I checked

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lol deba94, You're on the forums too?
what a shame....