It's called producing them BEFORE announcing them. Think about it, it makes sense.hamtotem said:
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Just saw this on X Play and I'm just wondering how homebrew/ pirating can benefit from theis SD card slot.
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Some more info and comparision from ign!
Of particular note at the site is a spec list. Here's how the new system compares to the current DS Lite.
Screen Size
DSi: 3.25 inch
DS Lite: 3.0 inch
Screen
Both TFT LCD with 260,000 colors
System Size
DSi: 137 x 74.9 x 18.9mm
DS Lite: 133 x 73.9 x 21.5mm
Touch pen
DSi: 92mm length
DS Lite: 87.5mm length
Power source
DSi: DSi AC adapter and special battery pack
DS Lite: DS Lite AC adapter and special battery pack
Weight
DSi: 214g (battery pack and touch pen included)
DS Lite: 218g (battery pack, touch pen, GBA connector cover included)
Charge time
DSi: 2 hours 30 minutes
DS Lite: 3 hours
Battery life
** listed by screen brightness, lowest to highest
DSi: 9-14 hours, 8-12, 6-9, 4-6, 3-4
DS Lite: 15-19 hours, 10-15, 7-11, 5-8
Compatible software
DSi: DS software, DSi software
DS Lite: Game Boy Advance software, DS software
Input method
DSi: DS card slot, SD memory card slot, AC adapter connector, stereo head phone/mic connector
DSLite: DS card slot, GBA card slot, AC adapter connector, stereo head phone/mic connector
The spec page also confirms something that we speculated in our original article -- the DSi will not be able to accept peripherals that attach to the Game Boy Advance slot.
In addition to housing a bunch of pics of the new hardware, the special site Nintendo set up offers a few extra details that were missing from our original report.
As reported earlier, the DSi will ship to Japan in white and black varieties on November 1. It will carry a 18,900 yen price point, making it 900 yen less than the PSP (both the current model and the 3000 series revision) and 2,100 yen above the current DS Lite.
The 18,900 yen will get you the DSi system, an AC adapter, two touch pens (extra length, as you can see in the spec sheet), a "simple start guide" of some form, an instruction manual, and a support book. That's right, three booklets!
In addition to the physical changes, Nintendo has updated the system's interface menu to reflect some newly included software. You'll initially be able to access the following programs from the main menu: DSi Camera, DSi Sound, DSi Shop, Picto Chat, and download play. The menu also has icons for starting up a game off cartridge and accessing system settings.
The DSi's menu is akin to the Wii Channel interface in that new programs can be downloaded and added to the interface. It's unclear how many programs can be downloaded, but the interface does provide an "all view" button allowing you to view all included software at a glance.
Select DSi Camera from the menu, and you'll quickly transform your system into a digital camera. Pics that you've taken can be transferred via SD card to your PC and cell phone. You can also send snaps between two DSi systems wirelessly.
In typical Nintendo fashion, the camera will include some game elements. Among the fun features are a facial blending tool, a method for changing facial expressions, and a means of measuring similarity between two faces. The camera itself can be set to take pics in a variety of modes, including normal mode, "trick" mode, and frame mode.
Select the DSi Sound option from the menu, and you'll have yourself a mini music player, complete with a variety of visualizers and audio tools. The system can remove vocals, allowing you to sing along for yourself. Nintendo also appears to have included a built in Band Bros. of sorts, as you can tap buttons along with the rhythm in order to overlay sounds. You can also record 10 second audio samples through the system's microphone for use in your music sessions.
Unfortunately, those looking for MP3 support here are out of luck. The DSi Sound program will only support AAC format.
Finally, there's the DSi Shop, a program that serves as the DS version of the Wii Shopping Channel. You'll be able to download free and paid programs from this under the "Nintendo DSiWare" label. Two free programs have been mentioned by Nintendo, an internet browser and a digital notebook that lets you create moving comics.
Of particular note at the site is a spec list. Here's how the new system compares to the current DS Lite.
Screen Size
DSi: 3.25 inch
DS Lite: 3.0 inch
Screen
Both TFT LCD with 260,000 colors
System Size
DSi: 137 x 74.9 x 18.9mm
DS Lite: 133 x 73.9 x 21.5mm
Touch pen
DSi: 92mm length
DS Lite: 87.5mm length
Power source
DSi: DSi AC adapter and special battery pack
DS Lite: DS Lite AC adapter and special battery pack
Weight
DSi: 214g (battery pack and touch pen included)
DS Lite: 218g (battery pack, touch pen, GBA connector cover included)
Charge time
DSi: 2 hours 30 minutes
DS Lite: 3 hours
Battery life
** listed by screen brightness, lowest to highest
DSi: 9-14 hours, 8-12, 6-9, 4-6, 3-4
DS Lite: 15-19 hours, 10-15, 7-11, 5-8
Compatible software
DSi: DS software, DSi software
DS Lite: Game Boy Advance software, DS software
Input method
DSi: DS card slot, SD memory card slot, AC adapter connector, stereo head phone/mic connector
DSLite: DS card slot, GBA card slot, AC adapter connector, stereo head phone/mic connector
The spec page also confirms something that we speculated in our original article -- the DSi will not be able to accept peripherals that attach to the Game Boy Advance slot.
In addition to housing a bunch of pics of the new hardware, the special site Nintendo set up offers a few extra details that were missing from our original report.
As reported earlier, the DSi will ship to Japan in white and black varieties on November 1. It will carry a 18,900 yen price point, making it 900 yen less than the PSP (both the current model and the 3000 series revision) and 2,100 yen above the current DS Lite.
The 18,900 yen will get you the DSi system, an AC adapter, two touch pens (extra length, as you can see in the spec sheet), a "simple start guide" of some form, an instruction manual, and a support book. That's right, three booklets!
In addition to the physical changes, Nintendo has updated the system's interface menu to reflect some newly included software. You'll initially be able to access the following programs from the main menu: DSi Camera, DSi Sound, DSi Shop, Picto Chat, and download play. The menu also has icons for starting up a game off cartridge and accessing system settings.
The DSi's menu is akin to the Wii Channel interface in that new programs can be downloaded and added to the interface. It's unclear how many programs can be downloaded, but the interface does provide an "all view" button allowing you to view all included software at a glance.
Select DSi Camera from the menu, and you'll quickly transform your system into a digital camera. Pics that you've taken can be transferred via SD card to your PC and cell phone. You can also send snaps between two DSi systems wirelessly.
In typical Nintendo fashion, the camera will include some game elements. Among the fun features are a facial blending tool, a method for changing facial expressions, and a means of measuring similarity between two faces. The camera itself can be set to take pics in a variety of modes, including normal mode, "trick" mode, and frame mode.
Select the DSi Sound option from the menu, and you'll have yourself a mini music player, complete with a variety of visualizers and audio tools. The system can remove vocals, allowing you to sing along for yourself. Nintendo also appears to have included a built in Band Bros. of sorts, as you can tap buttons along with the rhythm in order to overlay sounds. You can also record 10 second audio samples through the system's microphone for use in your music sessions.
Unfortunately, those looking for MP3 support here are out of luck. The DSi Sound program will only support AAC format.
Finally, there's the DSi Shop, a program that serves as the DS version of the Wii Shopping Channel. You'll be able to download free and paid programs from this under the "Nintendo DSiWare" label. Two free programs have been mentioned by Nintendo, an internet browser and a digital notebook that lets you create moving comics.
This thing is ugly. Why'd they get rid of the sexy gloss and logo the DS lite has?
I don't think this thing can compete with flash carts. It also seems like they are trying to compete with iPhone/Pod Apps.
And just as a note: Now you can't import Pokemon form your GBA games into D/P/P, and same goes for those Pokemon that only appear when you have one of the GBA titles in the slot.
On the positive side, the SD slot will most likely be usable as extra storage for roms and homebrew. :S Hopefully whatever Nintendo releases for this thing will be hacked too. Maybe they'll release downloadable GBA games, someone will tear that apart and make GBA games loadable from the SD slot. I Still don't see myself buying one though.
Hopefully some affordable shell replacements that resemble the sexier and simpler DS lite will appear in the future.
I don't think this thing can compete with flash carts. It also seems like they are trying to compete with iPhone/Pod Apps.
And just as a note: Now you can't import Pokemon form your GBA games into D/P/P, and same goes for those Pokemon that only appear when you have one of the GBA titles in the slot.
On the positive side, the SD slot will most likely be usable as extra storage for roms and homebrew. :S Hopefully whatever Nintendo releases for this thing will be hacked too. Maybe they'll release downloadable GBA games, someone will tear that apart and make GBA games loadable from the SD slot. I Still don't see myself buying one though.
Hopefully some affordable shell replacements that resemble the sexier and simpler DS lite will appear in the future.
Wow, part of me was hoping this wouldn't happen. It's really just a bunch of add ons to the DS lite. But it'll still sell millions I bet.
Wait, why is the DS lite's battery life longer than the DSi? Shouldn't they have made it longer? And is there going to be DSi games too?
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Wait, why is the DS lite's battery life longer than the DSi? Shouldn't they have made it longer? And is there going to be DSi games too?
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Ferrariman said:
I know that. That's obvious. But don't they usually announce new systems a few months before releasing them not just one month?
Definitely not. The DS and DS Lite hardwares are almost identical apart from the Lite being shrunken a bit...playallday said:
The GBC was faster than the GB by a factor of two.
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http://exophase.com/ds/nintendo-dsi-has-wp...upport-8039.htm
It has WPA & WPA2. Good Nintendo
Question.
Some games used both processors to some effect (FF3 comes to mind). Considering the other processor was for the GBA, how would these games function on the DSi? Special working-arounds for them, or just not being able to play them?
If it still has that processor in there, then why nix the GBA slot?
Some games used both processors to some effect (FF3 comes to mind). Considering the other processor was for the GBA, how would these games function on the DSi? Special working-arounds for them, or just not being able to play them?
If it still has that processor in there, then why nix the GBA slot?
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hamtotem said:
Yes but that would be too far away from the holiday season. They know their target demographic; children with parents that will buy em a new "nintendo" for christmas. The original DS was announced pretty close to the holidays too if I remember correctly. the population will be more excited by the time it is put up for sale than they would be if they announced months ago, this means more money; the only language company execs that are in charge of this release know.
... also this way they can nab a few unsuspecting DS lite buyers of their cash during a season where consoles are generally cheaper than normal (and all the cheapskates go and upgrade)
Now; my 2 cents about the new iDS I mean DSi
SDHC card slot = revolutionary for Nintendo portable systems. before this we had to own flash carts that have integrated support for flash memory. now it may be possible for a PSP type firmware hack that uses the SDHC slot as the primary bootable device? (just like that flash bios method we use today on the DS lites to flash the DSi BIOS?). Now we can have almost the same amount of storage space as the wee pc has.
All this SDHC card support has me worried however, could they may have included a type of firmware protection to stop previous workarounds? (like the now infamous R4 and M3 slot 1 type workarounds)
Im also very preturbed by the media player only supporting AAC... thats undoubtly USELESS and an IDIOTIC move by Nintendo. if they were smart they would allow you to sync with a music collection like many non apple mp3 players do whilst supporting all the popular formats. btw what? no MEDIA player? as in movies and such? weird! I owned a sony properitary mp3 player. when you synced it had to convert EVERY song to its own properitary format. useless and annoying. I returned it and bought an Ipod.
The battery isn't really a serious issue but its one that should have been left the way it was on the DSl. The DS's lineup so far has had exceptional battery life at the price of size restrictions. I would have preferred the same thickness for the sake of battery life. Who really cares that much about it being that much thinner? It seems to be a bit of a poor selling feature unless the DS is planning to compete with apples thinness ideology (which it cannot). The DSl fits in my pocket just fine and it has a stellar battery life. I mean, when you compare the DS's battery life to the PSP's you really get perspective (go cartridges!).
On a higher note: the camera looks great! i cant wait to start snapping pics and sending them to my friends. Nintendo is smart; people spend hours playing with the features like face warping ans such on similar cameras for phones. infact; Nintendo is adding many cellphone (Iphone really) features; possibly appealing to the teen phone demographic Japanese are crazy for phones!).
I also like the newly christened nintendo points! could we be playing SNES and GENESIS games that the DS has been proven to be capable of emulating with extra RAM?
speaking of RAM; sounds like the RAM included will be of sufficient speed now instead of the horribly slow GBA slot RAM. Finally we can get an even faster port of quake 2 and easier emulation of other systems!
I'm hoping that my R4 will work on this new Nintendo brainchild.... really hoping there are no hidden surprises here and that everyone dosen't have to go out and buy recently overpriced flashcarts!
One last point: Wifi; anyone know the speed? its a rather important fact to know. the Opera browser was fast enough for people used to dialup; but not nearly fast enough for the average peson with uber fast internet pn their PC or laptop. If im browsing the internet on my DS its because its a convenience; not because its a novelty to browse the internet on a cute laptop looking toy. I hope i'm not the only one who bought the browser for its RAM!
The DS is one... no three of a kind and they are all ones that i will have owned come the new year.
btw: curious what 3mp image looks like? heres a professional 3mp camera comparison: http://www.dpreview.com/reviews/fujifilms5000/page12.asp
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It's pretty silly to not include MP3 support. In addition, it seems to not support SDHC, which is also silly. If they're going to do something, they should go all the way.
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