AI Recomping Controversy, PC Games on Switch and more (ft. Scarlet) - Tempcast #99

Jayro · Saturday at 12:44 AM

tech3475 said:
I'm starting to wonder if you're actually an AI, this hallucination about Pandora's Box doesn't help .

Supply and demand is still a thing though, if fewer people used cloud AI the demand/justification for data centers also goes down and fewer data centers likely means lower silicon sales/prices.

You're also assuming that they don't just shift manufacturing over to HBM, which I wouldn't be surprised if that somehow makes things worse.

I'd prefer to run local models when possible.

tech3475 · Saturday at 6:26 AM

Jayro said:
I'd prefer to run local models when possible.

Local models I don't have as much of a problem with since obviously that doesn't contribute to data center demand, at least not as much, that's why per my quote and when I usually complain I specifically say "cloud AI".

However, I have a suspicion that allot of people just use cloud AI.

Octoblimp · Saturday at 6:47 AM

tech3475 said:
Local models I don't have as much of a problem with since obviously that doesn't contribute to data center demand, at least not as much, that's why per my quote and when I usually complain I specifically say "cloud AI".

However, I have a suspicion that allot of people just use cloud AI.

Yes very likely so because it takes a lot of compute to run models as good as say, Claude Opus 5.5. The good models are out there and quantized, however when you lower their training set and make it smaller, therefore making it able to run on more and more computers, you also make it dumber. So you can try to run Opus 5.5 locally, and if you wanted to run it on say, your gaming laptop, you'd have to run a heavily quantized version. Specifically getting a PC setup outfitted for the biggest, most powerful local models, that is a must for running the more non-quantized models. Source on Quantization if you're interested

I personally use Claude for my projects (yes I'm an AI person, hate me if you choose, but at least I admit it). I've tried local models for experiments, learning how to setup local models et cetera and doing demonstrations for classes, and what I can say, is the cloud models are more accessible, and also more powerful than what many people can afford to do locally. And as for my position on AI: I think AI's bad, but I also know it is here to stay. I do believe there is a bubble and even though I use AI, I still want it to pop. I do not support AI for anything that takes artists jobs. Other than that, I'm like neutral to leaning towards AI.

Scarlet · Saturday at 7:46 AM

Octoblimp said:
Yes very likely so because it takes a lot of compute to run models as good as say, Claude Opus 5.5. The good models are out there and quantized, however when you lower their training set and make it smaller, therefore making it able to run on more and more computers, you also make it dumber. So you can try to run Opus 5.5 locally, and if you wanted to run it on say, your gaming laptop, you'd have to run a heavily quantized version. Specifically getting a PC setup outfitted for the biggest, most powerful local models, that is a must for running the more non-quantized models. Source on Quantization if you're interested

I personally use Claude for my projects (yes I'm an AI person, hate me if you choose, but at least I admit it). I've tried local models for experiments, learning how to setup local models et cetera and doing demonstrations for classes, and what I can say, is the cloud models are more accessible, and also more powerful than what many people can afford to do locally. And as for my position on AI: I think AI's bad, but I also know it is here to stay. I do believe there is a bubble and even though I use AI, I still want it to pop. I do not support AI for anything that takes artists jobs. Other than that, I'm like neutral to leaning towards AI.

Even with a lot of VRAM at your disposal (I tried on a Mini PC with 128GB of unified memory) the local models just don’t seem to handle complex tasks. I’ll admit I haven’t revisited it in a while though. I’m sure they will get better.

TomSwitch · 2026-10-05T07:04:17+0100

tech3475 said:
I'd rather have lower RAM and SSD prices myself.

Those prices have gone up, not least because AI is getting ready to kill us all. Whether you get an AI port or not, you’re still going to die.

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Foxi4 said:
They said the same thing about the combustion engine at one time. Imagine that, having to drill into the crust of the earth to pump out crude oil and having to refine it into petroleum just to spin a wheel when a horse can spin it just as well and eats grass which just grows out of the ground with zero assistance. I have the opposite view - much like the introduction of the Internet to the masses, AI infrastructure will continue to grow - it must grow in order to meet increasing demand, both from industrial customers and regular consumers. Even once it is built out, it will need regular maintenance, just like web hosting does. Demand will stabilise at some point, but it will always be elevated going forward and the only relief available is a permanent increase in manufacturing capacity. As it was said earlier in the thread, this genie is not going back into the bottle - yesterday AI was making funny memes, then it began making full-blown videos, now it’s decompiling binaries, and accurately too. It’s the new normal.

Using fossil fuels has yet to kill us. Will AI do it sooner? Meanwhile, it is foolish and hypocritical to condemn fossil fuels while everyone, whether pro- or anti-fossil fuel, enjoys some of what came from them. I expect it will be the same with AI.

You can't avoid AI, just as you can't avoid fossil fuels. Has anyone ever asked for a label stating that fossil fuels were involved in making a product so they could choose to avoid it? You can safely assume that fossil fuels are involved in almost everything in your life, and soon, AI will be the same.

Is AI rich going to be similar to oil rich? Clearly many think so.

RyanTheArchivist · 2026-10-05T07:16:09+0100

skawo said:
If your goal is just to create PC port, sure. The AI can do that. It will probably eventually create a functionally-equivalent but nonsensical codebase full of fakematches (things that compile to the same binary, but are not anywhere close to what was in the original code) and without naming stuff properly.

Said codebase is effectively useless to humans afterwards (and possibly also AI, lacking context from the previous runs), because trying to understand what it does requires you to repeat the reverse engineering effort.

I mean just look at this AI Decomp of Banjo Kazooie. Does any of this code actually tell you anything about how the game works? https://gitlab.com/banjo.decomp/banjo-kazooie/-/blob/master/src/core2/code_C4B0.c

Compare with a decomp done properly:
https://github.com/zeldaret/oot/blob/main/src/code/z_collision_check.c
https://github.com/SMGCommunity/Petari/blob/master/src/Game/AreaObj/CollisionArea.cpp

Yeah and generally it is rather easy to tell what decomps and recomps were done by human vs AI just from playing them for a few minutes.

Foxi4 · 2026-10-05T07:16:50+0100

TomSwitch said:
Using fossil fuels has yet to kill us. Will AI do it sooner? Meanwhile, it is foolish and hypocritical to condemn fossil fuels while everyone, whether pro- or anti-fossil fuel, enjoys some of what came from them. I expect it will be the same with AI.

I don’t think anyone in this thread has condemned the use of fossil fuels.

emigre · 2026-10-05T07:20:43+0100

Foxi4 said:
I don’t think anyone in this thread has condemned the use of fossil fuels.

Fuck fossil fuels.

Massive proponent on renewables and nuclear here.

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