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The full text of the agreement has been published.

www.edition.cnn.com/2026/06/17/middleeast/us-iran-war-mou-text-intl

The US promises to establish a $300 billion reconstruction fund (exact detailed TBD), the ending of all sanctions against Iran, and the end of all attacks against Iran and Lebanon.

Iran reiterates they won't make a nuclear bomb. Like they've always said. And also they will carry on as they are with their nuclear program in the meanwhile. Also they will open the Strait, eventually because there's a shitton of mines in it. And they will start talks about what to do with their uranium.

So, this is not even a full deal, all the importsnt stuff is yet to be discussed, and to even reach this point the US has to offer THREE HUNDRED BILLION and the ending of all sanctions. By any metric, most of all the ones used to judge Obama's deal, this is insane.

Inflation is rough. $2 billion in Iranian funds used to get you a pretty good deal, now it costs $300 billion to even say hi.

also israel just attacked lebanon again
 
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TomSwitch said:
together with its regional partners ( with the split of US bearing -100% and the regional partners 200% )
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I'm sure the US would like that, though I think Israel threatening to break the deal already by striking Lebanon is bad enough without it being, like, 200% airstrikes.
 
Sir Tortoise said:
I'm sure the US would like that, though I think Israel threatening to break the deal already by striking Lebanon is bad enough without it being, like, 200% airstrikes.
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I doubt Isreal is part of this regional partners ( who is paying the 600b )
 
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The one that may share the -100%? I suppose so.
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I'd be more than shocked if Israel ever gives reparation money like that to Iran. They didn't agree to the ceasefire in the first place, and is still attacking in Lebanon.

This deal will probably fail within the 60 day period, and Iran will need to put in an extra clause that demands more money if Israel ever attacks again.
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There's always a Tweet......

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Can anyone point to a single clause in this agreement which is better than what was there before? Even a single point?

I'll answer it before people start trying to lie. There isn't. Not a single point in their agreement is better than it was before. Very few are even equal to what was there before. Now the US is removing all sanctions, giving 24 billion in unfrozen funds, and creating a $300 billion fund in reparations. It's the biggest unforced error in US history.
 
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"A White House spokesperson said the text did not reflect the actual memorandum."

"The semi-official Iranian news agency Tasnim described leaked versions of the draft as inaccurate."

But keep reading into bullshit what you want to be true, and disregard everything else in the BS article by a BS "news" agency, that doesn't confirm your feelings. Listen to the Iranian media. You all obviously hate America.

Nothing is being signed until the 19th.
 
urherenow said:
"A White House spokesperson said the text did not reflect the actual memorandum."

"The semi-official Iranian news agency Tasnim described leaked versions of the draft as inaccurate."

But keep reading into bullshit what you want to be true, and disregard everything else in the BS article by a BS "news" agency, that doesn't confirm your feelings. Listen to the Iranian media. You all obviously hate America.

Nothing is being signed until the 19th.
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Have to agree with you there. This is something that could eventually lead to a deal, with emphasis on could.
... Unless Israel already attacked, in which case it's 'could've been'. It's not immediately denied, which counts for more than it should.
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The full text of the agreement has been published.

www.edition.cnn.com/2026/06/17/middleeast/us-iran-war-mou-text-intl

The US promises to establish a $300 billion reconstruction fund (exact detailed TBD), the ending of all sanctions against Iran, and the end of all attacks against Iran and Lebanon.

Iran reiterates they won't make a nuclear bomb. Like they've always said. And also they will carry on as they are with their nuclear program in the meanwhile. Also they will open the Strait, eventually because there's a shitton of mines in it. And they will start talks about what to do with their uranium.

So, this is not even a full deal, all the importsnt stuff is yet to be discussed, and to even reach this point the US has to offer THREE HUNDRED BILLION and the ending of all sanctions. By any metric, most of all the ones used to judge Obama's deal, this is insane.

Inflation is rough. $2 billion in Iranian funds used to get you a pretty good deal, now it costs $300 billion to even say hi.

also israel just attacked lebanon again
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Aside the 'deal' part, it sounds rather balanced and fair. Of course, compared to pre-war it's terrible, but look at it from Iran's perspective. They've got the shit bombed out of them... You think those buildings, infrastructure, economic losses and lost lives magically replace themselves? Heck no. 300 billion might even be on the low side for repairs.
 
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Even if Trump outright said those leaked details are false, sadly I would believe Iran's comments before I would believe anything out of my own presidents mouth. Only truthful words out of Trumps mouth is "I eat 2 Big Macs, frIes, and a diet Coke for lunch". Now that I believe.
 
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But keep reading into bullshit what you want to be true, and disregard everything else in the BS article by a BS "news" agency, that doesn't confirm your feelings. Listen to the Iranian media.
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Alright, let's say any articles about the deal are not 100% accurate. The fact of the matter is that Iran seems to be more open with the terms than the US.

Can we get buy-in from you now that you would be angry if the deal:
- Removed all sanctions from Iran?
- Unfroze 24 billion of Iranian funds?
- Gave Iran hundreds of billions to rebuild?
- Allowed Iran to continue enriching uranium?

If any of those things are in the plan, would you be angry at such a weak deal?

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You all obviously hate America.
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No, just MAGA hacks that are actively making the entire world a worse place.
 
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Aside the 'deal' part, it sounds rather balanced and fair. Of course, compared to pre-war it's terrible, but look at it from Iran's perspective. They've got the shit bombed out of them... You think those buildings, infrastructure, economic losses and lost lives magically replace themselves? Heck no. 300 billion might even be on the low side for repairs.
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Well yeah, it's fair in the sense that the US did an incredibly stupid thing and there is a cost to that. It is certainly better than continuing hostilities.
But to credit the US for that is like praising the fire department for eventually putting out a fire and saving some of the victims, of a fire they caused. Cool to pay the families some money in that case, but also, maybe this whole thing could have been avoided.
 
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Sir Tortoise said:
Well yeah, it's fair in the sense that the US did an incredibly stupid thing and there is a cost to that. It is certainly better than continuing hostilities.
But to credit the US for that is like praising the fire department for eventually putting out a fire and saving some of the victims, of a fire they caused. Cool to pay the families some money in that case, but also, maybe this whole thing could have been avoided.
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True. But i credit the us nonetheless for putting something on the table that the other side can live with. That's not something you see often in a war. That om sceptic doesn't mean i disaproove.
 
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Cool to pay the families some money in that case, but also, maybe this whole thing could have been avoided.
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I don't think that money is comforting to the 160 school children that were murdered. I'd also be surprised if the Ayatollahs son isn't a wee-bit pissed that the US murdered his father. Those sort of actions leave a lasting impression that money can't easily smooth over.
 
titan_tim said:
I don't think that money is comforting to the 160 school children that were murdered. I'd also be surprised if the Ayatollahs son isn't a wee-bit pissed that the US murdered his father. Those sort of actions leave a lasting impression that money can't easily smooth over.
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I think my post may have been overly-casual in tone, sometimes I do that to try and contrast how batshit insane the situation is, but it doesn't come across well.

Let me rephrase: they have shit the bed so hard that all of the options that could be called even vaguely okay are gone. Out of the two remaining options, "continue the pointless war and murder" and "pay them billions to stop", we are at least - finally - going with the not-worst option. It is still incredibly bad, but the bar is in Hell. It would be unfair to expect good decisions from Trump.
 
Sir Tortoise said:
I think my post may have been overly-casual in tone, sometimes I do that to try and contrast how batshit insane the situation is, but it doesn't come across well.
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Totally understandable. Pretty hard to get meanings across over the net sometimes.

Sir Tortoise said:
Let me rephrase: they have shit the bed so hard that all of the options that could be called even vaguely okay are gone. Out of the two remaining options, "continue the pointless war and murder" and "pay them billions to stop", we are at least - finally - going with the not-worst option. It is still incredibly bad, but the bar is in Hell. It would be unfair to expect good decisions from Trump.
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That sums it up pretty well.

What really sucks is that nobody here would defend the Iranian regime in any way, and would have liked to have seen them taken out. Now, they're going to be able to solidify their power in the country even more. Under more capable leadership there would have been organization of multiple countries that agree that something needs to be done and Iran could have been squeezed into submission. Instead we got Leeroy Jenkins thinking he can just kill the leader and it's game over.
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Wow! Watching Trump try to explain how his horrible deal isn't so horrible is one of the most cringe things I've watched in years. Poor Rubio in the back looking completely dead inside.

 
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