Trump is the most corrupt US president in history

Foxi4 · May 23, 2026

titan_tim said:
I @'ed the four lowest common denominators here that seem to have no bottom, so I was referring to you as a group. You're one of the most brazen and pretzel shaped though.

The thought that you would clearly defend Trump even if there was a video that was released? It's not so much of a strawman and more of an inevitability at this point.

Right, dunking on the IRS, which he is in control of with a DOJ that he is in control of. All at the cost of the taxpayer. Ie: You. As mentioned though, there were over 400,000 people's data leaked. Do they all deserve 1.8 billion as well?

What's funny is, you fell into one of my categories:

Predictable, as always.

Uh, yeah - he was wrongfully targeted by a rogue agent, sued and won (not technically, it’s a settlement, but the result is nothing short of a win). I’m not sure if specifying “one of your categories” as “people who say precisely what happened” is a flex. Being trapped in your own imagination must be one heck of a trip. I hope that once Trump’s term is over you’ll stop imagining scenarios of child sexual abuse in your spare time, it’s not healthy.

DiscostewSM said:
You're still focused on when he was charged as if that's all that matters to focus the blame on Biden's administration, and not when this all first came out. Anonymous or not, Trump's administration did nothing when they could/should have when it was first discovered that the IRS disclosed his information without authorization during Trump's first term. They didn't seek out New York Times and ProPublica which reported the leaks to get any information. You're basically proving how incompetent Trump's administration is. And the things is, the moment Trump knew of this, he's only has 2 years to act on it, as per U.S. Code 7431. At no point can any reasonable person believe Trump was kept from this information until only about 2 years ago. Seriously, the President at the time not told of something affecting him when the American people knew? Not even you can believe this nonsense. They did know, and did nothing. Yet here you say they are correcting mistakes. Mistakes Trump's own administration made.

Restitution to the aggrieved parties? You mean like the J6ers, who stormed the Capitol, obstructed official proceeding, caused destruction of government property, had weapon offenses, and assaulted law enforcement officers? Many who got pardoned and then went on to do other acts that got them arrested... again? Those "aggrieved" parties? This is like suggesting they are now paid protestors.

You’re welcome to file a claim if you believe you’ve been a target of lawfare yourself, the fund is open, per the DOJ.

https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/justice-department-announces-anti-weaponization-fund

TVL · May 23, 2026

DiscostewSM said:
Bush started a war with Iraq and Afghanistan. Obama did NOT start a war with Syria and Libya.

It's kind of funny, because Trump claimed that Obama would start a war with Iran, multiple times over years, yet what ended up happening is Trump did it himself.

True, he never declared war on those countries, but the actions taken are way less than what has started wars before... I don't even get how you can drop bombs on a nation and it's somehow not a war. Maybe if you attack some weak third world nations that doesn't even have an air force it can't be a war? Then again there was an Iraq war.

Yeah, that's always a weird situation in politics, in humanity too, were people are against stuff they don't like about themselves; but In politics you just get roped into things. I don't think Trump was thinking if he ever got into power he'd attack Iran on his second term. I think you have your corporate masters and the military industrial complex that you owe favors to because they paid for your entire campaign.

Reiten · May 23, 2026

Foxi4 said:
The lawsuit refers explicitly to actions taken by the previous administration. Donald Trump the president and chief executive is not equivalent to Donald Trump the private citizen.

You're kind of missing the point, but I didn't explain it too well either. The judge in this case wasn't even sure that there is an actual case, as the judge wasn't sure there were 2 sides. So, the judge asked Trump to prepare a brief to show that, as you put it, citizen Trump and president Trump can be viewed as a different person and that there won't be a conflict of interests. But shortly before the deadline for the brief Trump decided to settle, even though it's not even really decided if a case exists, which he can settle.

The settlement itself is also extremely unusual, I won't even go into what's written in it, but to make it short, it's vague as hell. Usually a settlement is something signed between 3 sides, both parties in the case and the judge. However, this time the settlement was signed by only the DOJ, which doesn't really make it a settlement, but more of an order from the DOJ, which would be sketchy if a trail was held and Trump won(though since Trump is basically both sides he wins either way), and illegal without a trial.

And all that comes after the fact that, as someone already mentioned, the statute of limitation had expired long before he brought this case.

titan_tim · May 23, 2026

Foxi4 said:
Uh, yeah - he was wrongfully targeted by a rogue agent, sued and won (not technically, it’s a settlement, but the result is nothing short of a win). I’m not sure if specifying “one of your categories” as “people who say precisely what happened” is a flex. Being trapped in your own imagination must be one heck of a trip. I hope that once Trump’s term is over you’ll stop imagining scenarios of child sexual abuse in your spare time, it’s not healthy.

He was not targeted if there were 400,000 people having their data leaked. Again, should those people all sue the IRS for billions?

His case was overflowing with conflicts of interest and self-dealing. Under a normal administration, it would have been thrown out of court immediately. It was as legitimate as the FIFA peace prize.

You've defended him through absolutely everything to this point. Doubled-down until you're so far in moral debt that you have nothing else to lose. Hell, you've defended his administration double-tapping a children's school! So child trafficking is a step up for you at this point. Expecting you to defend Trump kiddie videos isn't a hypothetical at this point. It's a foregone conclusion.

SeltzerMist · May 23, 2026

The Nazi apologist is talking circles again :wacko:

Foxi4 said:
I hope that once Trump’s term is over you’ll stop imagining scenarios of child sexual abuse in your spare time, it’s not healthy.

Oh let's add pedophile adjacent, pedophile apologist as well. Fucking yikes, this guy is a mod.

Foxi4 · May 23, 2026

titan_tim said:
He was not targeted if there were 400,000 people having their data leaked. Again, should those people all sue the IRS for billions?

His case was overflowing with conflicts of interest and self-dealing. Under a normal administration, it would have been thrown out of court immediately. It was as legitimate as the FIFA peace prize.

You've defended him through absolutely everything to this point. Doubled-down until you're so far in moral debt that you have nothing else to lose. Hell, you've defended his administration double-tapping a children's school! So child trafficking is a step up for you at this point. Expecting you to defend Trump kiddie videos isn't a hypothetical at this point. It's a foregone conclusion.

Per the DOJ, Littlejohn explicitly sought employment by the IRS with the aim to release Trump’s records specifically. He even pled guilty, this isn’t in doubt. You can stop projecting now.

https://www.wsj.com/us-news/law/irs...releasing-trump-tax-returns-doj-says-93944811

SeltzerMist said:
Oh let's add pedophile adjacent, pedophile apologist as well. Fucking yikes, this guy is a mod.

You guys always try this and it never, ever works. Attempts at character assassination based solely on you disagreeing with someone will never fly on this site. You can call me whatever you want - nobody cares, least of all me. If you don’t like it, you know where the door is, don’t let it hit you on your way out.

titan_tim · May 23, 2026

Foxi4 said:
Per the DOJ, Littlejohn explicitly sought employment by the IRS with the aim to release Trump’s records specifically. He even pled guilty, this isn’t in doubt.

Huh, look at that. You're actually right about that fact. Good job! Still doesn't make this action any less illegal. Sorry to burst that bubble.

Foxi4 said:
You can stop projecting now.

What am I projecting here? About the forgone conclusion that you will defend Trump no matter what he does? That you have no limits to the depravity? Please point me to anyone who I would do that to, and I'll admit I'm projecting. Can't think of anyone I'd do that for if they did even a fraction of what Trump has done.

SeltzerMist · May 23, 2026

Foxi4 said:
You can call me whatever you want

You are a pseudo intellectual, Nazi apologist, pedophile adjacent individual who lacks critical thinking skills, (sexual assault civil case, Epstein files, etc) and has no business being a moderator here.

Your posting history throughout the years supports these claims.

DuoForce · May 23, 2026

I can't believe this dude still has supporters. I even see morons on this site defend him from time to time. Always insane to see.

Foxi4 · May 23, 2026

titan_tim said:
Huh, look at that. You're actually right about that fact. Good job! Still doesn't make this action any less illegal. Sorry to burst that bubble.

I’m right about this whole thing. You can’t just say “it’s illegal!”, fold your arms and pout - that’s not how the law works. It’s an out-of-court settlement, the legal equivalent of a gentleman’s agreement. You also can’t say that Donald Trump does not deserve legal protections solely by the virtue of being president right at this moment. His claim is that the IRS cannot be trusted to not be weaponised and used as a cudgel, and he has evidence to support that claim. The federal government, as an entity, has decided that it is easier to settle this with an agreement as opposed to fighting a protracted legal battle against the fucking president. If you want to claim that there’s some kind of impropriety going on, you have to present evidence that this was done under strict instruction from Trump himself, along the lines of “find in my favour and give me a bunch of money”, which I doubt you can produce. It doesn’t matter how you feel about it - that’s not evidence. You can say “conflict of interest” until you’re blue in the face and yet if this happened to just about anybody else we’d all be clapping and celebrating that one guy got away, that the IRS cannot randomly intrude into a private citizen’s records not in investigation of a crime, but in search of one, with intent to share said records with every outlet that’ll listen. If you think you’d deserve some kind of restitution in this situation as a U.S. citizen then I’m afraid so does Trump, and establishing a fund as opposed to simply raking in a huge settlement in cash money is a pretty tasteful way to solve the conundrum.

titan_tim · May 24, 2026

LOL, stomp your feet all you want, but you're wrong since you're conflating the issues here:
- If Trump has a right to sue, and
- If the settlement terms are lawful or appropriate

Nobody is saying here that a president has to give up legal protections. Just like any other citizen, he has the right to bring a case if he was wronged. The issue is that the executive branch can't use a settlement to give the sitting president immunity from future enforcement or create massive compensation without congress approval.

A made-up settlement as this is still constrained by law. The government cannot agree to literally anything just because both sides agree to it. DOJ can settle claims for damages, but can't bar future IRS audits.

The conflicts issue isn't just feelings, it's structural. Trump is "negotiating" with agencies he controls. That doesn't require a direct "Do this for me" command. The appearance and incentive problems are blatant. That's why ethics rules and constitutional safeguards exist. Because evidence of coercion is usually impossible to obtain.

So you can stop conflating the issues here. It's not that he's not allowed to try and sue. It's that a president doesn't have the authority to negotiate away core government powers for his own benefit.

Hanafuda · May 24, 2026

Reiten said:
Usually a settlement is something signed between 3 sides, both parties in the case and the judge.

No, a settlement is between the parties. The court (i.e. the judge) has approval authority, but so long as the plaintiff affirms this is how they want the case to resolve, it is exceedingly rare for the Court to stick its nose into settlement terms.

Reiten · May 24, 2026

Hanafuda said:
No, a settlement is between the parties. The court (i.e. the judge) has approval authority, but so long as the plaintiff affirms this is how they want the case to resolve, it is exceedingly rare for the Court to stick its nose into settlement terms.

Notice that I used the word signed and not negotiated. I'm not saying that the judge has anything to do with the terms, just that he also signs the settlement, and even that didn't happen in this case, as the only signature on the document(as far as I've seen) is the DOJ.

Sir Tortoise · May 24, 2026

Hanafuda said:
No, a settlement is between the parties. The court (i.e. the judge) has approval authority, but so long as the plaintiff affirms this is how they want the case to resolve, it is exceedingly rare for the Court to stick its nose into settlement terms.

It is also exceedingly rare for both sides to be on the same side, and for that settlement to be able to summon new powers like "immune to tax investigations forever into the future"

Foxi4 · May 24, 2026

Hanafuda said:
No, a settlement is between the parties. The court (i.e. the judge) has approval authority, but so long as the plaintiff affirms this is how they want the case to resolve, it is exceedingly rare for the Court to stick its nose into settlement terms.

Correct. Nobody needs anyone’s blessing to have a legally binding agreement with another party. “I will drop my charges if you do X” is precisely how settlements work.

titan_tim said:
*Wall of Text*

In this post you are basically saying that Trump cannot settle a dispute with the DOJ, the DOT and the IRS solely because he’s the Chief Executive. This is false. Donald Trump the private citizen has not waived his rights at the point of becoming president and can still represent his own interests. Donald Trump is a person, not his station.

Sir Tortoise · May 24, 2026

Foxi4 said:
Correct. Nobody needs anyone’s blessing to have a legally binding agreement with another party. “I will drop my charges if you do X” is precisely how settlements work.
In this post you are basically saying that Trump cannot settle a dispute with the DOJ, the DOT and the IRS solely because he’s the Chief Executive. This is false. Donald Trump the private citizen has not waived his rights at the point of becoming president and can still represent his own interests. Donald Trump is a person, not his station.

So, is it even possible for a president to have a conflict of interests here, if you can actually seperate one person into two? Starting to think Carter didn't need to give up his peanut farm.

Foxi4 · May 24, 2026

Sir Tortoise said:
So, is it even possible for a president to have a conflict of interests here, if you can actually seperate one person into two? Starting to think Carter didn't need to give up his peanut farm.

Carter’s farm was in a blind trust, he retained ownership. He was forced to sell it after his failed second bid for presidency for financial, not political reasons - the trust mismanaged it and put it in debt. Similarly, the Trump Organisation is owned by Trump, but ran by his two eldest sons.

Sir Tortoise · May 24, 2026

Foxi4 said:
Carter’s farm was in a blind trust, he retained ownership. He was forced to sell it after his failed second bid for presidency for financial, not political reasons - the trust mismanaged it and put it in debt. Similarly, the Trump Organisation is owned by Trump, but ran by his two eldest sons.

I wouldn't say "run by direct family members" is similar to a blind trust.

Wario32 · May 24, 2026

DuoForce said:
I can't believe this dude still has supporters. I even see morons on this site defend him from time to time. Always insane to see.

It boggles my mind to no end. Trump won't even go to his own son's wedding, and Trump supporters think he cares about them.

Now he's stealing money from the American people and some people are even applauding that. That's your money and you won't see a cent of it

titan_tim · May 24, 2026

Foxi4 said:
In this post you are basically saying that Trump cannot settle a dispute with the DOJ, the DOT and the IRS solely because he’s the Chief Executive. This is false. Donald Trump the private citizen has not waived his rights at the point of becoming president and can still represent his own interests. Donald Trump is a person, not his station.

LOL, a wall of text? Your previous ramble had 288 words in a single rambling paragraph and mine had 212 nicely broken down in points saying where you are wrong. I know that reading makes you tired, but at least try to keep up.

Then to top it all off, after being told twice in there that you're conflating two issues, you continue to double down on being wrong. I'll put the core of what was said here again because it needs to be hammered home:

"Stop conflating the issues here. It's not that he's not allowed to try and sue. It's that a president doesn't have the authority to negotiate away core government powers for his own benefit."

Trump is the most corrupt US president in history

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