[UPDATE] Dolphin's release on Steam indefinitely delayed after Nintendo sends cease & desist order to Valve

1dkreally · May 27, 2023

sarkwalvein said:
Wellll... you can still pre-emptively download it....

Not really, my laptop isn't even nearly powerful enough to play it on here and I don't own my own console to download it onto and play from there.

urbanman2004 · May 27, 2023

chrisrlink said:
actually easy fix be like every other emulator make the user supply their own keys...oh wait

Exactly... YuZu has that requirement. Ask me how I know, lol...

M7L7NK7 · May 27, 2023

spotanjo3 said:
Is Nintendo on drug or something ? They are crazy!! I am glad that I no longer buy system from Nintendo anymore.

My Nintendo Switch v1 unpatched in excellent condition is going to be on sale in facebook market soon.

Nintendo, you are done!

You've been saying that for years now.. and how are they done?

linuxares · May 27, 2023

Milenko said:
You've been saying that for years now.. and how are they done?

They are sure done, gone, disappeared. Never to be seen again!

Kioku · May 27, 2023

linuxares said:
They are sure done, gone, disappeared. Never to be seen again!

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Like bitcoin!

_47iscool · May 27, 2023

I forgot about the common key. Why not require users to dump theirs from their own Wii?
I wonder how many use Dolphin without owning said hardware?

I do in fact own both of the emulated systems, thankfully.
Thankfully the key is not a requirement for GC games.

Beaukilla · May 28, 2023

We are living in Nintendo's glory days right now, their current gen hardware is their biggest selling yet and they've just sold 10's of millions of their latest release, Mario movie breaking box office records. You'd have to be delusional to think Nintendo are past it

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hertzian56 said:
Dolphin must have had dollar signs in their eyes to want it on steam otherwise why bother, they probably get and have gotten a lot of donations and it's not like anyone who's into vg's and computers hasn't used it or can't find it. Just sites like this and all the other vg sites cover emulators, some more than others.

That being said nintnedont is just another ea in the making if not there already. They seem to really survive off of a few things: 1. a home market obsessed w their consoles and games 2. Nostalgia of gamers outside japan who grew up w their games 3. About 3 ips that are consistently top games mario, zelda, ? 4. The rep of being child friendly games, which is quite dangerous to inattentive parents but look at the world we live in now.

Their glory days are long past them and they'd do better wide releasing games on their own digital store, maybe collab w sony or samsung for a nintendo centered phone for on the go gaming idk

megahog2012 · May 28, 2023

Nah their glory days passed after the Wii, This is just a sudden uplift which will die out soon enough

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True they've seen an uptick of successes but those will start to die out possibly after a month or so

Kioku · May 28, 2023

megahog2012 said:
Nah their glory days passed after the Wii, This is just a sudden uplift which will die out soon enough

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True they've seen an uptick of successes but those will start to die out possibly after a month or so

No it won’t. :rofl2:

Like it or not, Nintendo is the only company publishing solid performers. Their momentum isn’t slowing any time
soon.

I’d love to see them fall though… actually, I wish all of them would fall… This modern age of gaming is such a dumpster fire.

sarkwalvein · May 28, 2023

megahog2012 said:
Nah their glory days passed after the Wii, This is just a sudden uplift which will die out soon enough

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True they've seen an uptick of successes but those will start to die out possibly after a month or so

After the Wii? How?
Why not before the Wii?
Why do you think they are not having glory now?
How do you explain your conclusion of "their glory days passed after the Wii"?

I mean, you could say their glory days passed after the SNES and I would consider you exaggerate but I would get your point.
They dominated in the NES era, they were quite comfortable in the SNES era. Most of their renowned IPs come from this time.
All around this era the Game Boy was also there, completely dominating the handheld market.
If in any case some "days of glory" of complete domination existed, they end here.
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Then came the N64, not as successful, but it still had some very nice games, and successful IP like Smash Bros comes from this generation. Anyway they were not dominating the market any more.
Then came the Gamecube, in my eyes a commercial non-success with the some of the best games Nintendo created. But again they were far from being the market leaders.
Around this time the DS printed money for the company.
Then came the Wii... and... well, it also sold a lot, that I can say.
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Then the 3DS released, and it was a disaster, they had to do a price cut for it to get adoption. Then it kind of got successful afterwards.
Then the Wii U, a commercial disaster.
Then the Switch, it is selling a lot.
And it goes on...

Hmmm... I am not sure, I don't even agree with all these unordered thoughts I wrote above. But in any case those would lead me to say the glory days of Nintendo ended with the SNES, but if we talk about making profit they don't seem to be having a bad time now or in the foreseeable future.

Anyway, what leads you to say their glory days ended after the Wii specifically?
What are "glory days" actually even? The times when they leaded the market, or something else?

KingBlank · May 28, 2023

Milenko said:
Where did I say that? I just find everyone dogpiling on Nintendo at any chance they get just to seem cool really weird and cringe

Edit: like most of the posts on this page above this one, it's hilarious

Oh I see, too true. I blame twitter, feels like the kind of thing you see on there.

Xzi · May 28, 2023

Kioku said:
Like it or not, Nintendo is the only company publishing solid performers. Their momentum isn’t slowing any time
soon.

I mean, they're only releasing like one big hit a year now, not counting remasters. Even FromSoft is almost keeping pace with that. You'd think it'd be easier to outpace others with game releases on the hardware equivalent of an Xbox 360.

Kioku · May 28, 2023

Xzi said:
I mean, they're only releasing like one big hit a year now, not counting remasters. Even FromSoft is almost keeping pace with that.

Fromsoft isn’t making consoles. They also aren’t targeting people who dare modify their software.

Xzi · May 28, 2023

Kioku said:
Fromsoft isn’t making consoles. They also aren’t targeting people who dare modify their software.

True, but I'm not sure what that has to do with the pace of game releases. Perhaps Nintendo reassigned a bunch of developers to their legal division instead? It's the only reason I can think of why they wouldn't have come out of the "COVID slump" by now.

Kioku · May 28, 2023

Xzi said:
True, but I'm not sure what that has to do with the pace of game releases. Perhaps Nintendo reassigned a bunch of developers to their legal division instead? It's the only reason I can think of why they wouldn't have come out of the "COVID slump" by now.

Maybe that explains the “darts at a map” approach. They’re targeting everything.. shit is getting old.

hertzian56 · May 28, 2023

Beaukilla said:
We are living in Nintendo's glory days right now, their current gen hardware is their biggest selling yet and they've just sold 10's of millions of their latest release, Mario movie breaking box office records. You'd have to be delusional to think Nintendo are past it

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Hm well I can see your point but I guess for ME they are well past it, stock prices are just a confidence trick not indicative of real world. Without the japanese market they'd be way less my guess there. I wasn't aware there was a mario movie, doesn't sound too interesting. And yeah there can be lag there behind all those numbers you spew out too and of course unreality to them as well. Remember we live in a marketing world, lots of these devs claim they sold 1 mil copies in a day, doesn't make it true but it's great marketing babble. Eh not convinced at all there.

ZeroT21 · May 28, 2023

When pirating a game gives a superior experience, causing ninty to send out the legal ninjas

Beaukilla · May 28, 2023

hertzian56 said:
Hm well I can see your point but I guess for ME they are well past it, stock prices are just a confidence trick not indicative of real world. Without the japanese market they'd be way less my guess there. I wasn't aware there was a mario movie, doesn't sound too interesting. And yeah there can be lag there behind all those numbers you spew out too and of course unreality to them as well. Remember we live in a marketing world, lots of these devs claim they sold 1 mil copies in a day, doesn't make it true but it's great marketing babble. Eh not convinced at all there.

Well on the flip side it seems your opinion isn't indicative of real world trends, it's ok that Nintendo isn't for you anymore, but the reality is that millions and millions approve of what they are doing and are voting with their wallets. I mean out of all the classic Zelda games that gamers love and adore, totk will likely top them all sales wise.

SubstituteCS · May 28, 2023

Xzi said:
Exactly. If your security gets bypassed by common household objects, you have the equivalent of no security at all. To use a burglary analogy, Nintendo doesn't just leave their door unlocked, they leave it wide open and have bright orange arrows painted on the floor which lead directly to all their valuables. What they're doing is a lot like insurance fraud in that regard, except they're using the legal system as an insurance policy. Which is something you'd think a judge would eventually take exception to.

The tweezer exploit was used to change which area of the memory chip was mapped to the GameCube. This allowed them to reconstruct the decrypted rom from memory by changing which banks the GameCube was mapped too.

This isn’t something the average person could do just because. This type of attack also only really works on the systems of that era because those systems aren’t super fast and writing random data to every bank is a lot of work.

It also required writing homebrew for the GameCube side to even be able to read the memory.

Xzi · May 28, 2023

SubstituteCS said:
The tweezer exploit was used to change which area of the memory chip was mapped to the GameCube. This allowed them to reconstruct the decrypted rom from memory by changing which banks the GameCube was mapped too.

This isn’t something the average person could do just because. This type of attack also only really works on the systems of that era because those systems aren’t super fast and writing random data to every bank is a lot of work.

It also required writing homebrew for the GameCube side to even be able to read the memory.

I'm not particularly interested in the how or the why of it, more just the outcome: Nintendo consistently struggles far more than their competitors with preventing the most rudimentary of exploits. To the extent that I question whether they even employ a hardware QA team at all.

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