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The FBI let her choose what she would give back, what she could delete.
Pretty sure he was being facetious and mocking anybody who still pretends to care. What's next, Jill Biden's grocery list? Gotta be something nefarious there. :rofl2:

Meanwhile, Republicans could be attacking Biden on something substantive given he's forcing rail workers to accept a shitty deal, but of course that's something they agree with him on.
 

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Pretty sure he was being facetious and mocking anybody who still pretends to care. What's next, Jill Biden's grocery list? Gotta be something nefarious there. :rofl2:

Pretty sure he was being facetious and mocking anybody who still pretends to care. What's next, Jill Biden's grocery list? Gotta be something nefarious there. :rofl2:

Meanwhile, Republicans could be attacking Biden on something substantive given he's forcing rail workers to accept a shitty deal, but of course that's something they agree with him on.
Who is "they", in case you've not noticed, the Republican party isn't strictly establishment members anymore, hence the reason the FBI and such are going to strongly against them, and the media and various members of the current administration accuse them of being "White Supremacists".

In case you didn't notice, the establishment is catering to the lowest common denominator, so if their marketing tactics are working on you, then what does that say about you?
As has been stated, the department of justice belongs to the establishment, it always has, and the Republican party (not necessarily the voters) have always been establishment. I.E. While Lincoln was concerned about forming the Union (with or without slavery), Republicans took up arms and were laying down their lives to free slaves who they had never met in their life. And THAT is the difference between Establishment and voter base. The DOJ could care less for the voter base.
 

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Who is "they", in case you've not noticed, the Republican party isn't strictly establishment members anymore, hence the reason the FBI and such are going to strongly against them, and the media and various members of the current administration accuse them of being "White Supremacists".
It never stopped being an establishment, it only changed owners. It's the party of Trump/DeSantis/Kanye now, and it has only continued to go further off the deep end, which is why it never focuses on policy or governance any more.

As has been stated, the department of justice belongs to the establishment, it always has, and the Republican party (not necessarily the voters) have always been establishment. I.E. While Lincoln was concerned about forming the Union (with or without slavery), Republicans took up arms and were laying down their lives to free slaves who they had never met in their life. And THAT is the difference between Establishment and voter base. The DOJ could care less for the voter base.
Huh? DOJ leadership is appointed by the party currently in power. Of course Garland isn't gonna go chase a nothingburger like the laptop story, not even Bill Barr was willing to touch that one with a ten foot pole.

What kind of tool are you, exactly?
Sorry to dispel your illusions, but this shit is just ragebait to keep donations flowing to the GOP. By all means though, keep focusing on inconsequential bullshit for the next ten years, that'll surely win your party elections. :rolleyes:
 

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Sorry to dispel your illusions, but this shit is just ragebait to keep donations flowing to the GOP. By all means though, keep focusing on inconsequential bullshit for the next ten years, that'll surely win your party elections. :rolleyes:
So you are a tool for the DNC. I thought so. The anti-capitalist, leftist schtick is a ploy.
 

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So you are a tool for the DNC. I thought so. The anti-capitalist, leftist schtick is a ploy.
We've had this discussion I don't know how many times. There are two major political parties in the US, just because it's obvious that one of them is a lost cause doesn't mean I support the other wholeheartedly. On a case by case basis, Democrats have done some positive things, but they're also largely spineless and complicit in allowing oligarchs to slowly take over the country. They're capitalists first, everything else second.

Literally all I'm saying is find a real fucking controversy if you want to play hardball. Like Saudi Arabia's $2 billion dollar giveaway to Jared Kushner.
 

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You totally lost me there. If you think that any of those three men have that much power in this world enterprise then you've got to have a screw loose.
The GOP is a national enterprise, it's their corporate donors that often play both sides and have a greater influence globally. And you must not have been paying much attention over the last four elections if you believe Trump had no influence over the chosen candidates and the outcomes. It's only after the latest mid-term elections that support for him has begun to waver, but the only real contender for future GOP kingmaker is DeSantis, who is more or less a bargain bin version of the same person.
 

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We've had this discussion I don't know how many times. There are two major political parties in the US, just because it's obvious that one of them is a lost cause doesn't mean I support the other wholeheartedly. On a case by case basis, Democrats have done some positive things, but they're also largely spineless and complicit in allowing oligarchs to slowly take over the country. They're capitalists first, everything else second.
Your rationalization for being a tool for the DNC is because you dislike GOP even more.

You can be against both, you know. I think you would be if you were anti-capitalism.

The GOP is a national enterprise, it's their corporate donors that often play both sides and have a greater influence globally.

If their corporate donors play both sides, wouldn't that make them DNC's corporate donors too?

Just saying, you speak a lot of platitudes, but your function is clear.
 
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Part 2 tomorrow followed by the promised Q&A.

As for NAZI's, do any of you know what NAZI actually stands for? It's like the whole world is suddenly talking about a history they actually know nothing or next to nothing about, and that's both from the proverbial Right and the proverbial Left.
One of the most famous poems in the world literally starts "First they came for the socialists" and somehow, in 2022, we still have people on the internet who think they are smart for this "dO aNy Of YoU kNoW wHaT nAzI aCtUaLlY sTaNdS fOr" nonsense. By your logic, the Democratic People's Republic of North Korea is also a democracy. Also Truth Social is literally socialism. The Nazis were socialists in name only.
 

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The GOP is a national enterprise, it's their corporate donors that often play both sides and have a greater influence globally. And you must not have been paying much attention over the last four elections if you believe Trump had no influence over the chosen candidates and the outcomes. It's only after the latest mid-term elections that support for him has begun to waver, but the only real contender for future GOP kingmaker is DeSantis, who is more or less a bargain bin version of the same person.
So it's Trump, DeSantis and their Corporate Donors who rule the world, and no one is above them. Also, where does Kayne fit into all of this again?
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One of the most famous poems in the world literally starts "First they came for the socialists" and somehow, in 2022, we still have people on the internet who think they are smart for this "dO aNy Of YoU kNoW wHaT nAzI aCtUaLlY sTaNdS fOr" nonsense. By your logic, the Democratic People's Republic of North Korea is also a democracy. Also Truth Social is literally socialism. The Nazis were socialists in name only.
So... I don't know what I'm talking about, in spite of my many days, months, and years trying to make sense of history because I am unaware of a poem that is apparently one of the most famous poems in the world, but some person, which has in it a vague statement about somebody that says,"First they came for the socialists"?

Also, when did I mention Democracies? A Democracy without regulation is merely MOB RULE. I don't desire to live in a mere Democracy, and I find it unhealthy that so many media outlets and the people are crying for Democracy world wide, especially in the age of mass media where most don't understand the difference between north and south, nor do they seem to have the ability to define what a woman is for that matter, and many could care to be bothered to learn enough to know if their presumptions about a thing are correct or not. Such people do not deserve a vote, an opinion, or a say, and yet we allow them to bark and whimper none the less.
 
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Your rationalization for being a tool for the DNC is because you dislike GOP even more.

You can be against both, you know. I think you would be if you were anti-capitalism.
I could, but "government = always bad" is the rationale of an intellectually lazy person who doesn't want to read too much into any news or current events. The world, and by extension, human progress, is far more nuanced than that.
If their corporate donors play both sides, wouldn't that make them DNC's corporate donors too?
Yes, that's...implied. It takes way more money than should be necessary to win elections, and both parties are generally fine with that. As I keep saying: capitalists first, everything else second. The working class has to settle for a lot of Pyrrhic victories in such a system.
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So it's Trump, DeSantis and their Corporate Donors who rule the world, and no one is above them.
Not sure if you're just playing dumb, or if your reading comprehension is really that bad. Trump and DeSantis rule the GOP, nothing more. International corporations exist several notches above that, as they have worldwide influence over any number of political parties and candidates.

Also, where does Kayne fit into all of this again?
He's the ultimate representation of the GOP's modern insanity. His opinions align with Trump and DeSantis, so the base loves him for that, they just hate that he's saying all the quiet parts out loud. If anything his influence is probably waning recently, but they're going to have a tough time getting him to go away altogether.
 
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I could, but "government = always bad" is the rationale of an intellectually lazy person who doesn't want to read too much into any news or current events. The world, and by extension, human progress, is far more nuanced than that.

Yes, that's...implied. It takes way more money than should be necessary to win elections, and both parties are generally fine with that. As I keep saying: capitalists first, everything else second. The working class has to settle for a lot of Pyrrhic victories in such a system.
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Not sure if you're just playing dumb, or if your reading comprehension is really that bad. Trump and DeSantis rule the GOP, nothing more. International corporations exist several notches above that, as they have worldwide influence over any number of political parties and candidates.


He's the ultimate representation of the GOP's modern insanity. His opinions align with Trump and DeSantis, so the base loves him for that, they just hate that he's saying all the quiet parts out loud. If anything his influence is probably waning recently, but they're going to have a tough time getting him to go away altogether.
Capital = always bad is an equally stupid conclusion. Just because it is currently corrupt in America and abroad doesn't mean it will always be everywhere all the time. In fact I imagine there are currently places we never hear of where it is not and where people are humble and real.

"Money is like blood,it gives life if it flows.
Money is like Christ, it blesses you if you share it.
Money is like Buddha, if you don't work, you don't get it.
Money enlightens those who use to open the flower of the world, and damns those who glorify it,
confounding riches with the soul.
There is no difference between money and conscience.
There is no difference between conscience and death.
There is no difference between death and wealth." - Alejandro Jodorowsky


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He's the ultimate representation of the GOP's modern insanity. His opinions align with Trump and DeSantis, so the base loves him for that, they just hate that he's saying all the quiet parts out loud. If anything his influence is probably waning recently, but they're going to have a tough time getting him to go away altogether.
Dude, that's fucking hilarious!
 

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Capital = always bad is an equally stupid conclusion. Just because it is currently corrupt in America and abroad doesn't mean it will always be everywhere all the time.
Maybe, but we'll both be dead long before we break free of the problems caused by global capitalism and its exploitative nature.

Dude, that's fucking hilarious!
It is pretty funny, given the party was already dealing with one albatross around their neck before Kanye decided to pile on. It was also the inevitable outcome of cutting funding for education and pushing the Southern Strategy for over half a century.
 

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I could, but "government = always bad" is the rationale of an intellectually lazy person who doesn't want to read too much into any news or current events. The world, and by extension, human progress, is far more nuanced than that.

That's not "the alternative". How you consume media is your choice, but it doesn't make you an intellectual when your actions end up reinforcing a lifestyle that you vocally disapprove of. Voting for a third party too nuanced for you?

Yes, that's...implied. It takes way more money than should be necessary to win elections, and both parties are generally fine with that. As I keep saying: capitalists first, everything else second. The working class has to settle for a lot of Pyrrhic victories in such a system.

It is implied. But you proposed it as a GOP problem.
 

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Maybe, but we'll both be dead long before we break free of the problems caused by global capitalism and its exploitative nature.


It is pretty funny, given the party was already dealing with one albatross around their neck before Kanye decided to pile on. It was also the inevitable outcome of cutting funding for education and pushing the Southern Strategy for over half a century.
1. You said the other day that there were evils that proceeded global capitalism, which if you have not noticed is in the hands of the few with Communist tendencies, some call it monopoly. So even if we ended this mythical Global Capitalist Dragon that you keep speaking of, those other evils will still exist, so really we should be seeking relations with our Creator as man will always be corrupt, but a few of us can at least empty our selves of our self and try to live as the best example to others that we can. No man is going to save the world.

2. You hate the elite, yet you swallow and regurgitate their narratives without hesitating or flinching. Now that's something.
What Southern Strategy are you talking about anyhow? After the war, many Southerners both white and black moved up north for work, while many in the north who had established them selves moved to the South and bought up the land while it was cheap. Ever wonder why racisms are more prominent up north and hard to find the more south and west that you go? Or have you ever traveled at all, because it really sounds like you don't get out much and most of your ideas of the world come through media re-presentation.
 

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