Religion being Forced on You?

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My parents are Christian, and I have nothing against that. I refer to myself as an agnostic, because I don't believe in God but will still think that there might be one.
Well anyways, my parents continue to force me to be a christian. I told them many times and explained that I do not believe so much in God, but they reject all my opinions and continue to tell me to go to church and pray and believe in God. I don't want to, and I don't know what to do. For now I do as they say, and go to church. I really see no point in this, I do not think God has any influence on my life. I should be able to choose the religion I want, but unfortunately I can't.

Did your parents force a religion? Any advice?

Thanks for taking your time to read.
 
There's nothing you can do.

Suffer with it for a few more years, then you won't have to deal with that ever again.
 
Urza said:
There's nothing you can do.

Suffer with it for a few more years, then you won't have to deal with that ever again.

True.
Also, just be happy that all they want you to do is just go to pray in the church once in a while.
I don't see the issue with that. Its not like they're trying to shape you into the next priest of the community or making you do something hard. All you have to deal with is a couple of hours at most on sundays. If you can't take that then go whine somewhere else.
 
My parents are jehovah witnesses
and I hat them for that no Xmas or birthdays it stunk.then ramming there religion down my throat not nice but lick Urza said Suffer with it for a few more years, then you won't have to deal with that ever again. I have not spoken with my parent for 8 years now I'm happy now.
 
My parents are actually pretty religious, and by virtue so are their kids. They, my parents, go by the book and common sense so you wont find us fitting many of the stereotypical Muslims shown in the media as we dont follow some "school of thought" or some ministers unreasonable interpretation of the Quran but the Quran itself.

Though religion is big in my life and my household my parents allowed us to choose, once we got around 14-16 years old whether or not we would remain in the religion or not. There is no compulsion in Islam, it's a rule stated in the holy book. So you cant force anyone to believe in the Islamic philosophy/way of life and you cant harm, kill or maim those who dont--though people tend to ignore whats clear and written and do what they want/what some people tell them to. You find that in almost every religion, I guess.

My parents would've been disappointed had we chosen something else other than Islam, but they wouldn't have dis-owned us or anything, (unless maybe we got crazy with it and painted symbols on our faces or wrote defaming things on our shirts or something bizarre like that.) but my dad would've asked us to leave the house as soon as possible, though he said he would help us leave and be sure we had somewhere else to go that was safe and he'd have given us money for our first two months rent, but that--according to him--is his default plan for ridding himself of his kids anyway.

My parents educated us religiously and academically, not just in Islam, but Christianity and Judaism. Those were the main three, but we've studied a few other religions also; examined them, the holy texts of them, the philosophies of them and the people who claim to follow those teachings, and the typical understanding of those religious texts, looking for similarities and contradictions etc between the books, the people, the practices so on and so forth. I am mainly just knowledgeable in the 3 Abrahamic religions though and I find all three to be closely related (as they were all originally the same thing, just twice changed by people and at last preserved properly for whoever wishes to follow them.) my parents always have encouraged us to study, experience*, and review things for ourselves and form our own opinions--even though they dont really like for ours to go against theirs** >_
 
mmm well maybe you should take a few seconds as to why your parents are doing that, forcing their own personal beliefs upon you.
maybe its cuz they love you? and they want you to be "saved" and not be condemned to hell or w/e? they care for you, and i think you should be thankful for that before complaining :/
i mean, a lot of children in this world dont have parents that give a crap about what their children do. sounds nice doesnt it? but IMO, i would give up carefree parents for strict ones that actually show their love in demanding ways, but still show love in some form.

oh and heres an example to help you understand the concept of it better:
say you and your friend(or children) are walking down this road
and you come to a fork in the road
one side has a sign that says "danger", the other one has "1 mile til McDonalds"
and of course, you would choose the one that leads to McDonalds
but your friend/child walks toward the "danger" road
would you not try to stop them?
if you loved them (assuming you do love your friends and future children)
then you would physically grab them and try to pull them away...forcibly...?
do you get it now?

ok lectures over. in any case, just hang in there! professor tiny outt.
 
tinymonkeyt said:
i mean, a lot of children in this world dont have parents that give a crap about what their children do. sounds nice doesnt it? but IMO, i would give up carefree parents for strict ones that actually show their love in demanding ways, but still show love in some form.
I have very involved parents myself, but its always so amazing to me when I hear other kids say this. I have mulled it over and I have to say that I prefer involved parents also, even though it can be sooooo annoying, at least I have a constant voice of reason and guidance in the background of my life.

I know a few kids who claim--and I believe their claims--to truly hate their parents for being indifferent towards them and their lives. This was a very good point actually and I think that in all my rambling I didn't think of it so 1-up to you TinyT!
 
I grew up in a very religious family so I've gotten used to it. I'm still at the stage where "I know there's God, I just don't know what I'm supposed to do," and I've looked at going to church as a chore more than anything else. Maybe when I grow older, I'll understand what religion really is for me. Right now? I'm more worried about getting through life relatively unscathed.

...but hey, at least you don't have relatives that are priests. Whenever something big is happening (like a birthday), we have to go to my grandmother's house to celebrate with a mass. >_< (This doesn't happen anymore after we've moved to Canada...)

gizmo_gal said:
tinymonkeyt said:
i mean, a lot of children in this world dont have parents that give a crap about what their children do. sounds nice doesnt it? but IMO, i would give up carefree parents for strict ones that actually show their love in demanding ways, but still show love in some form.
I have very involved parents myself, but its always so amazing to me when I hear other kids say this. I have mulled it over and I have to say that I prefer involved parents also, even though it can be sooooo annoying, at least I have a constant voice of reason and guidance in the background of my life.

I know a few kids who claim--and I believe their claims--to truly hate their parents for being indifferent towards them and their lives. This was a very good point actually and I think that in all my rambling I didn't think of it so 1-up to you TinyT!
Yep! I like my parents for being strict to me. I don't think I'd be who I am right now if it weren't for them. XD I just wish they didn't have to give me such an ego-beating as a kid.
 
My parents are Christian and I used to attend church with them when I was young. However, they always gave me the option of carrying my own beliefs. When I decided that I didn't want to go to church anymore because I didn't hold the beliefs that were being taught, they understood and didn't think any less of me. Forcing your own religion on anyone who doesn't want it is wrong, regardless of who the person is. Parents should not demand that you attend a church whose teachings you disagree with. To this day, I am grateful that my parents gave me the option.
 
My parents are Muslim.They wanted me to be Muslim too,but I also didn't believe in god at the time.If there is a god then why so many have to suffer,but I just believe in him because there is nothing to lose.My parents were also very involved,and wanted me too go to the Gama to pray and worship god.
I realized I have nothing to lose.
 
Yeah, my dads step-dad was a Christian Minister/Preacher for several years, he used to have a beef with anyone who didn't cherish Jesus the way he did on Sundays, and I never really could bring myself to like him because of it.

You shouldn't make anyone uncomfortable over something like Religion because, even if you can make them say or do something you cant make the mean that action or that speech. You cant take someone and strap belief to their back, yell "Believe IT!" a few dozen times and suddenly they believe. (Unless your Naruto
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) In the end, your just being a tyrant over them because you can, and Karma will bite you back.
 
OP - read everything you can by Robert Ingersoll and Bertrand Russell who both make strong points against having a vested belief in ancient fairy tales. Then find internet forums where you can debate the subject and polish your arguments. Although these discussions always end in futility they are good practice. Then you will get to the point where you can shame your parents with logic and common sense over faith in a belief that is a polar opposite of everything we know about biology, physics, archaeology, astronomy etc.

There are really only two tenants to what they believe: One is greed - rich uncle Jesus promises a material heaven and the second is fear - I don't wanna be burned after I'm dead. Use that.
 
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mmm well maybe you should take a few seconds as to why your parents are doing that, forcing their own personal beliefs upon you.
maybe its cuz they love you? and they want you to be "saved" and not be condemned to hell or w/e? they care for you, and i think you should be thankful for that before complaining :/
i mean, a lot of children in this world dont have parents that give a crap about what their children do. sounds nice doesnt it? but IMO, i would give up carefree parents for strict ones that actually show their love in demanding ways, but still show love in some form.

That's a really good point. You have to look at it from their point of view. While you may well see it as "converting" you, us Christians kind of have a duty. We've found out that God's there, and we've learnt to live as Jesus did. Now, the awesome thing is, when we die, we get to go to Heaven.
Of course, as God said in the Bible, if you don't follow the teachings of Jesus and love God you'll end up in hell. While some may think Christians get some sick satisfaction out of thinking " I'm going to Heaven and you're all going to hell, hahahaha!", the truth is totally the opposite. We don't want to see people suffer eternity in misery, so the only thing we can do to stop it is persuade you God exists and loves you.
It sounds like a load of rubbish to most, I'm sure, but it's the truth.
Think of it this way. If I told you the US is going to get hit by a bomb tomorrow, you'd most probably try and tell everyone so they could save themselves. Same principal, except it's for eternity
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Anyway, as a child, I hated being forced to go to church. As I've got older, they've allowed me to stop going to Church. And for ages I considered myself agnostic. But when I started secondary school, I ended up being roped into going to the School's Christian Union. Sounds really nerdy and horrible, right? Well, it was a bit weird at first, but the people there were just as normal as anyone, plus they were kinda nice.

For 2 years I went and wrestled with the opinions of those around me (that God exists) and my own scientific knowledge (all the stuff in the Bible's impossible, so God can't exist). After 2 years of seeing people devote their lives to God, worshipping something out there truly and fully with their hearts (they certainly weren't putting on a show, put it that way), and just the passion a lot of people put into doing things for this God. Why on Earth would a person as normal as you and me just bow down and start worshipping some made-up thing in the sky? Why would someone go and make a book full of ridiculously important, unbelievable and philosophical stories? Truth is, no-one would, no matter which way you look at it, evidence of God is in other people.

You don't need to scientifically prove the Bible or have a religious experience, the simple thing is, God works through other people. He cannot be proven. You just have to come to the conclusion yourself based on what you've seen. If you ever encounter one of these amazing people, you'll know exactly what I mean.

And since I came to that conclusion, my life has changed. I've seen people speak in tongues, miracles before my eyes. You can choose to believe people are deluded, and that I have been illusioned by the people around me. But at the end of the day, it's obviously not true. I haven't had a spell put on me, I haven't been dropped on my head, I haven't been "converted". So I'm not speaking rubbish. I'm speaking the truth as any ordinary person would, and saying God exists. Whether you choose to believe me is your own choice of course.

Sorry for the long speech there.
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I just had to tell you where your parents are coming from, and to try and persuade you that God exists. Of course, if you see me as just another person trying to "convert" you, that's fine. I'm just here to help.
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QUOTEOP - read everything you can by Robert Ingersoll and Bertrand Russell who both make strong points against having a vested belief in ancient fairy tales. Then find internet forums where you can debate the subject and polish your arguments. Although these discussions always end in futility they are good practice. Then you will get to the point where you can shame your parents with logic and common sense over faith in a belief that is a polar opposite of everything we know about biology, physics, archaeology, astronomy etc.

There are really only two tenants to what they believe: One is greed - rich uncle Jesus promises a material heaven and the second is fear - I don't wanna be burned after I'm dead. Use that.

No offence, but that has to be the worst idea I've ever heard. Arguing with his parents over the issue isn't going to help. His parents aren't going to be persuaded, so there's no real point. Have you ever heard a religious debate go on? No-one EVER gets converted. People who do debate are usually VERY sure of their own opinion, and come out of the debate none the wiser. Though they can still be fun I guess lol.
 
Trolly said:
QUOTE said:
OP - read everything you can by Robert Ingersoll and Bertrand Russell who both make strong points against having a vested belief in ancient fairy tales. Then find internet forums where you can debate the subject and polish your arguments. Although these discussions always end in futility they are good practice. Then you will get to the point where you can shame your parents with logic and common sense over faith in a belief that is a polar opposite of everything we know about biology, physics, archaeology, astronomy etc.

There are really only two tenants to what they believe: One is greed - rich uncle Jesus promises a material heaven and the second is fear - I don't wanna be burned after I'm dead. Use that.

No offence, but that has to be the worst idea I've ever heard. Arguing with his parents over the issue isn't going to help. His parents aren't going to be persuaded, so there's no real point. Have you ever heard a religious debate go on? No-one EVER gets converted. People who do debate are usually VERY sure of their own opinion, and come out of the debate none the wiser. Though they can still be fun I guess lol.
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I don't think i have much to say but simple concept of Chance... Obviously you know there is God because as said before (beautifully by gizmo), but u can understand that the whole world created by what means and Cause? Is it chance or is it Choice... Look into Islam and u will see what difference u see when u are religious and not... U feel a sense of accomplishment that there is a purpose in life and that there is life after death
Eternal for the ppl suffering i can only say that... if there are so many restrictions in the path how can the things that God has gifted to us reach us? God is all-powerful no doubt but He is all-knowing and loving and doesn't want to impose something as Gizmo said that there is no compulsion in religion so He gave man freewill to choose but some use tht ability wrongfully and oppress and cause suffering. That is why a believer's aim should be the hereafter and not the Worldly gains. If the suffering increases to such an extent that it cannot be bearable then that oppressor will be brought down as we have seen in history or else God's final guide will come when there are enough numbers of ppl who want to accept the truth,live by it ,love it and want to die for it.... his final saviour will come to provide global justice.
An excellent exegesis of the Islamic scripture is found here- (http://makaremshirazi.com/books/english.htm) because there are so many things in Islam that forums cannot explain BUT REMEMEBER try your best to know a religion although God will not punish if u don't know or did not understand well but only when u rejected while knowing and purposely opposed the truth
P.S - PM me if u have an argument against religion or anything since i know i don't come to the same forum twice unless i made it or it's some new since religion is always debatable.

EDIT: Just thought of something... Salamantis, Do people like to study? Many don't but some do infact they like it very much to know new things. Those who don't like still learn because they know it's necessary since life is not life if u don't gain knowledge but there are some who don't actually not like it but are not so interested in it but as previously, have to learn it to advance in life.There are some who don't study but know they have to but still don't.
Same is for religion... some like to study it some don't. Those who don't, know they have to learn religion and so they do practice it but some are not so interested or not so dedicated which are the majority. Those who don't practice it know they have to but still don't.
Conclusion : Not wanting to practice religion is not enough of a reason... they still have to study it because it is a REQUIREMENT and not practicing it is like missing an important fundamental of life
 
Thanks for all of your opinions, guys. I guess I'll stay like this until I move out, then maybe I'll get more interested or just completely drop it.
 
You're welcome, I hope you found something useful here in all the replies.

If nothing else, "Patience is a virtue" holds true with or without a religion behind it--and you have all these great tempers here to talk to also.
 
Well, my parents are Christian also. My dad is pretty hardcore. Reading the bible every morning. I used to go to church ... but this was back when I didn't really think about my beliefs and didn't critically examine things. I'm an atheist now, and will be for the rest of my life. My dad is somewhat okay with it I think ... only because he knows how strongly I feel about religion. He says he prays for me though. Although in my mind, it seems futile.

I actually know daughters of pastors that are atheist, but are afraid to come out and tell the truth ... because of their position in the church. It's a really tough place to be. But you should really have the freedom to not follow a religion.
 

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