Covid-19 vaccine

[sith]

if you cant see that these jabs are useless, harmful experimental garbage that actually increase your chances of getting sick with covid and other illnesses at this point you are sleeping.

snip from my government website https://covid-19.ontario.ca/

the more vax doses the more positive cases. next chart down deaths are equal across all statuses. wake up to reality.

 

[The Catboy]

I don't know what the temper you're replying to is talking about, and I am not going to get into it, it may be BS or not.

But if by "YouTube funny man" you mean Russell Brand I would suggest you don't just lightly disqualify him based on prejudice.
He is very well researched and his videos are not a joke, really.

You may agree or disagree with what he says, but in any case I would say that instead of just automatically disqualifying what he says because "he is a comedian", you at least first check the videos, check perhaps many of them, check many of his sources by yourself and don't jump to conclusions and prejudice before doing that. Then if you disagree it comes at least from a valid position, that of someone that at least knows what they are disagreeing with, and not just because of prejudice.

I disqualify him because he's not actually a professional. I will give him a listen but I don't care to consider his input on this topic. I am not against him sharing his research and I am not saying he didn't do his research but I am saying that he's not a valid source of information and there's no reason to present him as such. Presenting him as a counter to medical research is silly.

 

[SG854]

if you cant see that these jabs are useless, harmful experimental garbage that actually increase your chances of getting sick with covid and other illnesses at this point you are sleeping.
View attachment 306093snip from my government website https://covid-19.ontario.ca/

the more vax doses the more positive cases. next chart down deaths are equal across all statuses. wake up to reality.

There's a saying statistics lie. Especially if you don't properly interpret them.

Obviously Vaccines do not increase your chance of getting covid. That is

 

[sarkwalvein]

I disqualify him because he's not actually a professional. I will give him a listen but I don't care to consider his input on this topic. I am not against him sharing his research and I am not saying he didn't do his research but I am saying that he's not a valid source of information and there's no reason to present him as such. Presenting him as a counter to medical research is silly.

He has been doing journalistic work for years in his YouTube channels. If we go for the "5 years make an expert" then he is not only professional in this, but he is also an expert. He is not new to this job, he had the Trews before this, he didn't start presenting news out of thin air. Of course his research is journalistic, and he is presenting sources. Scientific research is not performed by him in any case, but it is part of the sources for the journalistic research and properly quoted. You should check what he reports about before jumping to conclusions.

 

[The Catboy]

He has been doing journalistic work since years for his YouTube channel. If we go for the "5 years make an expert" then he is not only professional in this, but he is also an expert. He is not new to this job, he had the Trews before this, he didn't start presenting news out of thin air. Of course his research is journalistic, and he is presenting sources. Scientific research is not performed by him in any case, but it is the part of the sources for the journalistic research. You should check what he reports about before jumping to conclusions.

He's a professional journalist, but I wouldn't call him a professional nor an expert in vaccines. I can say he's at least got a greater understanding but I still won't look to him for advice on vaccines. I will admit my previous comments were a bit harsh though.

if you cant see that these jabs are useless, harmful experimental garbage that actually increase your chances of getting sick with covid and other illnesses at this point you are sleeping.
View attachment 306093snip from my government website https://covid-19.ontario.ca/

the more vax doses the more positive cases. next chart down deaths are equal across all statuses. wake up to reality.

About this data
For COVID-19 cases by vaccination status, vaccination status is limited to Health Canada approved vaccines.

Rate per 100,000 (7-day average) is the average rate of COVID-19 cases per 100,000 for each vaccination status for the previous 7 days as noted. Rate of COVID-19 cases per 100,000 is calculated by dividing the number of cases for a vaccination status, by the total number of people with the same vaccination status, and then multiplying by 100,000.

Cherrypicking results to back up your claims and removing the limitation warning is just silly. There's more than just one study with fewer limitations and those studies seem to show different results.
https://www.vdh.virginia.gov/corona...irginia/covid-19-cases-by-vaccination-status/
https://doh.wa.gov/sites/default/files/2022-02/421-010-CasesInNotFullyVaccinated.pdf
https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/71/wr/mm7104e2.htm
https://www.dshs.texas.gov/immunize/covid19/data/vaccination-status/
Now yes, people who are vaccinated can still get covid, but those vaccinated and boosted have shown greater recovery rates, fewer long-term side effects, and overall not dying compared to unvaccinated people. The difference between vaccinated and unvaccinated is the rate of death, something found far higher in the unvaccinated crowd.

 

[Lacius]

if you cant see that these jabs are useless, harmful experimental garbage that actually increase your chances of getting sick with covid and other illnesses at this point you are sleeping.
snip from my government website https://covid-19.ontario.ca/

the more vax doses the more positive cases. next chart down deaths are equal across all statuses. wake up to reality.

When cases are low, you're mostly limited to people who are immunocompromised, etc. who are dying. These are also people who are fully vaccinated/boosted, but the vaccine is less effective if you don't have an immune system to work with. This is why you see the death numbers you mentioned. Click the 60+ age group for the death numbers you just mentioned, and you will see how the unvaccinated are the most susceptible. Expand out to something that isn't the last seven days (when the infection rate was higher), and you can see the unvaccinated are the most susceptible regardless of age group.

Facts should lead to conclusions, not the other way around. The vaccines save lives.

 

[sith]

Every one of you straw man, intentionally "misuderstand" or straight up deny in the face of reason. I didn't cheery pick, its just my local site, i didn't exclude any warning, it says in the sidebar how its calculated and gave a link to the site. 60+ are literally the only age group that doesn't follow this correlation, the graph i posted is all time (30 days) not 7. I somewhat agree, the vaccine due to it's self replicating nature didn't accomplish the same end result (more vulnerability to sars-cov2) in the oldest population.

OT: Russell Brand is genuine, brilliant and bold, with wisdom, love and kindness he looks at things very objectively and makes sound conclusions. His detractors are full of shit.

edit (removed an incorrect statement, misread a graph)

 

[Lacius]

Every one of you straw man, intentionally "misuderstand" or straight up deny in the face of reason. I didn't cheery pick, its just my local site, i didn't exclude any warning, it says in the sidebar how its calculated and gave a link to the site. 60+ are literally the only age group that doesn't follow this correlation, the graph i posted is all time (30 days) not 7. I somewhat agree, the vaccine due to it's self replicating nature didn't accomplish the same end result (more vulnerability to sars-cov2) in the oldest population.

OT: Russell Brand is genuine, brilliant and bold, with wisdom, love and kindness he looks at things very objectively and makes sound conclusions. His detractors are full of shit.

edit (removed an incorrect statement, misread a graph)

I explained to you why the data is what you should expect from an effective vaccine. There's only one person in denial, and it isn't us.

 

[tabzer]

There's only one person in denial, and it isn't us.

Hmm, hivemind. Nice.

He's a professional journalist, but I wouldn't call him a professional nor an expert in vaccines.

Nobody has ever presented him as such. You are being disingenuous. Why should anybody listen to you?

I don't know what the temper you're replying to is talking about, and I am not going to get into it, it may be BS or not.

They were talking about something hopefulfrog said, now deleted, and now it looks like it is about something I said. I'm not sure if TheCatBoy intentionally made it about me or not.

 

[Lacius]

Hmm, hivemind. Nice.

Resistance is futile. Viral resistance, I mean. And if you're vaccinated. Ah, nevermind.

@godreborn would have liked it.

 

[Stone_Wings]

The right can SAY whatever they'd like. But when QAnon is now spouting shit like the vaccine contains snake blood so that they can inject us with Satans DNA and with Fox News and the GOP jumping on the Putin train, NOTHING they say has an ounce of validity in my book. NOTHING.

 

[Dr_Faustus]

The right can SAY whatever they'd like. But when QAnon is now spouting shit like the vaccine contains snake blood so that they can inject us with Satans DNA and with Fox News and the GOP jumping on the Putin train, NOTHING they say has an ounce of validity in my book. NOTHING.

Anyone who takes the words of Q even remotely seriously has far more issues than their political alignment, they are people that need to be put in mental facilities.

Q literally was born from a *chan board. A Channer that was spouting such crazy shit the other anons told him to take his shit elsewhere, which he did...to facebook and other social media platforms. Believing in Q is like believing The Onion as legitimate news and not being aware that its parody/satire on news. To truly believe in any of that is a failure of any form of critical thinking and need to be seriously treated as those who need serious mental care.

 

[Stone_Wings]

Anyone who takes the words of Q even remotely seriously has far more issues than their political alignment, they are people that need to be put in mental facilities.

Q literally was born from a *chan board. A Channer that was spouting such crazy shit the other anons told him to take his shit elsewhere, which he did...to facebook and other social media platforms. Believing in Q is like believing The Onion as legitimate news and not being aware that its parody/satire on news. To truly believe in any of that is a failure of any form of critical thinking and need to be seriously treated as those who need serious mental care.

I shouldn't say NOTHING the right says has any validity as they certainly aren't all QAnon supporters. I'll retract my prior statement and change it to "little to nothing".

 

[tabzer]

Both of you are very special and speak to the credibility of this thread, of this website, and maybe even America.

 

[djpannda]

..Sounds about right...

 

[tabzer]

..Sounds about right...

Did the guy try it and it didn't work for him? Wondering who determines that something is false. Maybe his piss saves lives. Why don't you try it?

 

[Lacius]

Did the guy try it and it didn't work for him? Wondering who determines that something is false. Maybe his piss saves lives. Why don't you try it?

You first.

 

[The Catboy]

Did the guy try it and it didn't work for him? Wondering who determines that something is false. Maybe his piss saves lives. Why don't you try it?

I would suggest if you have confidence, you give it a try.

 

[tabzer]

You first.

I said someone had to be first to call it false to begin with. Who was deceived? Nobody? The people complaining about it?

I would suggest if you have confidence, you give it a try.

Learn to read. You are severely ill-equipped to win this pissing-contest.

 

[Lacius]

I said someone had to be first to call it false to begin with. Who was deceived? Nobody? The people complaining about it?

The problem is that drinking urine, anybody's urine, hasn't been demonstrated to cure COVID-19, so it's recklessly idiotic to recommend it. If that wasn't bad enough, the recommendation occurred while simultaneously rejecting vaccination, something that has actually been demonstrated to be effective at reducing COVID-19 infection, hospitalization, and death.

In other words, we don't recommend treatments just because they haven't been disproven to work. We recommend treatments when they've been proven to work. It's like accepting or rejecting a claim to be true. We accept claims to be true when there's evidence for them. We do not accept claims to be true just because they haven't been disproven.

Also, drinking urine is gross. However, I have a feeling the former president wouldn't have thought so.

Edit: And just to be clear, the urine thing is made more laughably ridiculous because there's no established mechanism by which drinking urine would even come close to treating COVID-19.