The situation in Ukraine...

[Coto]

I doubt that very much, but the thousands of volunteers will forever be remembered as heroes, as they should be. I’m simply pointing out a factor that nobody seems to account for - right now the lines between civilian and enemy combatant are blurred in Ukraine, and that’s part of the reason why Russian troops are getting swatted like flies. The second reason is that they expected to be in and out, so they’re grossly unprepared in terms of food and shelter. The lucky ones get to sleep in armored carriers, and they’re all looting local stores in order to obtain scraps of food. They were told the citizenry will welcome them as liberators - what they saw instead was the citizenry opening fire on them. Quite demoralising - no wonder a lot of them are deserting, in spite of overwhelmingly superior firepower. Now, whether people are comfortable with it or not, those are facts.

Yeah that, and partly because russians are disagreeing with Putin dictatorship. I've got like 6 or 7 russian sources confirming they weren't sent to destroy and conker Ukraine. You know what means in Russia to disobey the "big states". Same as China.

I know Poland stood the same war decades ago, and I can see why your country was the first to help out ukranians. As opposed to whatever mass media sources may lie about.

 

[djpannda]

Yeah that, and partly because russians are disagreeing with Putin dictatorship. I've got like 6 or 7 russian sources confirming they weren't sent to destroy and conker Ukraine. You know what means in Russia to disobey the "big states". Same as China.

I know Poland stood the same war decades ago, and I can see why your country was the first to help out ukranians. As opposed to whatever mass media sources may lie about.

yes never mind that St Petersburg and Moscow are seeing the biggest Protest (even after the state threaten them)

but VIDEO of Russian TROOP on the brink of deserting are rampart and all over



(remember this are not Captured Russian Troop .. These are Russian Troop Freely talking about current treatment

We all know the Kremlin was not provider food, Support, Logistics, equipment, intel to normal Russian Soldiers but
NEW Rumors and what this RUSSIAN soldiers are stating is that:::

Kremlin are trying to declare losing Soldier as non-milliarty so they don't have to report it as a miliarty lost.
Their commanding officer was trying to force them to sign letter that they were not part of the military and possible stated that are RETROACTIVELY doing the same to the soldiers that already died/captured or deserted .
maybe that is the Reason Kermlin is "boosting" only 500 Troops lost when Video proof is clearly showing 1000s. Kremlin kicked them out of the army..

Whatever Happens it looks like the Putin is at the end of his Ruin when 1000s of Russian family have military members never return and denied Military payment.. they are going to start look at the Kremlin

 

[Dr_Faustus]

Can someone tell me why Russia is so damn scared of Ukraine joining NATO, when Russia can end all life on Earth if they felt like it?

Basically NATO played a role in the Cold War and helped put a restriction towards Soviet expansion plans and fuckery which Russia was happy to do at the time. NATO taking in Ukraine will put the opposing force right on Russia's doorstep, and Putin did not want that, especially since he was feeling in the mood to eventually annex more land for himself. The invasion was his way of trying to claim the land before the country can join a group that would protect their arse against this sort of situation.

Now with NATO not really being an option, they are trying to join the EU, which seems to be a likely acceptance at this point. If that happens Russia will be directly fucking with the EU at that point, and then the conflict will escalate into a potential world war. The scenario Ukraine wants is as soon as they are accepted into the EU Russia will have no logical choice but to back off as they are no longer an independent country.

 

[djpannda]

And More proof Kermlin kicking out more Dead/capture/defeated troops so they don’t have to report the correct numbers

“From now on, we were told, you have nothing to do with the Russian army, you are deserters”.

 

[Viri]

It’s actually a phenomenon we noticed a long time ago, and something we pay close attention to. We apply specific rules to such members, there’s a sticky in this forum for a reason.

https://gbatemp.net/threads/political-disinformation-propaganda-ops-infiltrating-gbatemp-too.593080/

Disinfo and propaganda isn’t anything new online - we’re quite familiar with bad actors and routinely remove them if they’re found to be here exclusively in bad faith.

I'm more confused as to why Chinese and Russian bots are wasting their time on a video game hacking forum. lol

 

[Valwinz]

And More proof Kermlin kicking out more Dead/capture/defeated troops so they don’t have to report the correct numbers

“From now on, we were told, you have nothing to do with the Russian army, you are deserters”.

sure and the ghost of Kyiv just flew over my house

 

[djpannda]

sure and the ghost of Kyiv just flew over my house

the way Russia is heading Im sure they will be over Moscow in no time

 

[Deleted member 586536]

Jesus man you just joined the site, why don't you wait a while and make more posts before becoming an unlikable asshole who spouts BS? Unless you're just a dummy account created by someone else here.

Ah I'm sorry, I should of made 5 posts elsewhere like you did, AND THEN join the political discussion to spout BS, such a big difference.

 

[Dark Ronin]

As I said, time and history will tell. No amount of BS here will do neither harm nor good to both Ukrainian people or Russian. It's all just a windblowing and nothing more.
Time, just time. Military marches forward regardless of your and mine opinions and no one here can stop them, so just sit tight, watch and see till the end. And stop talking like there's a power behind your words cause there ain't any. You're just watchers, same as the rest of the world.

 

[SG854]

Can someone tell me why Russia is so damn scared of Ukraine joining NATO, when Russia can end all life on Earth if they felt like it?

Imagine this, imagine if China expanded and put military base in Canada and South America like Mexico what do you think the U.S. would feel about that.

And imagine if all China gave was their word that they won't attack the U.S. we are all 21st century civil people that would never wage war. Do you think that would ease and calm the U.S. nerves.

Now imagine Nato expanding and closing in on Russia how do you think Putin would feel about that. Good U.S., the peace keeping U.S. that topples governments around the world to replace them with Pro U.S. pro west democratic governments in the name of peace.

The Cuban Missle crisis was literally just that. Russia putting nuclear weapons in Cuba close to the U.S. and saying these are just defensive measures nothing to look more into. Which created worry and conflict between Russia and U.S. And after all of this was over U.S. agreed to pull out weapons from Italy and other places, with Russia agreeing to pull out of Cuba. Putting nuclear weapons or an military base near a country your oppose to causes these conflicts.

And it would not be wise for Russia to just nuke the world if it cares about its own survival because we can just nuke Russia also.

 

[djpannda]

Imagine this, imagine if China expanded and put military base in Canada and South America like Mexico what do you think the U.S. would feel about that.

And imagine if all China gave was their word that they won't attack the U.S. we are all 21st century civil people that would never wage war. Do you think that would ease and calm the U.S. nerves.

Now imagine Nato expanding and closing in on Russia how do you think Putin would feel about that. Good U.S., the peace keeping U.S. that topples governments around the world to replace them with Pro U.S. pro west democratic governments in the name of peace.

The Cuban Missle crisis was literally just that. Russia putting nuclear weapons in Cuba close to the U.S. and saying these are just defensive measures nothing to look more into. Which created worry and conflict between Russia and U.S. And after all of this was over U.S. agreed to pull out weapons from Italy and other places, with Russia agreeing to pull out of Cuba. Putting nuclear weapons or an military base near a country your oppose to causes these conflicts.

And it would not be wise for Russia to just nuke the world if it cares about its own survival because we can just nuke Russia also.

... you do know that has already happened starting 2012
China has several "friendly" port around southamerica already ( warships,Ammo Cashes, and Buildings)
https://www.nationaldefensemagazine...t-why-chinas-advance-in-latin-america-matters

Putins logic... does not want Nato on Russian Borders ..so he tries to take over a country that Borders NATO ... YUP makes sense... the 'Why you hitting yourself defense""

 

[Dr_Faustus]

And stop talking like there's a power behind your words cause there ain't any. You're just watchers, same as the rest of the world.

Words can hold a lot of power, as they can contain information in them. Such as the fact that Russian soldiers were not informed of their actual intent in Ukraine in the first place, and some outright surrendering because they do not want to take part in this fight they were forced/drafted into.

Also speaking of information, there is information control too, which seems to be going on quite a bit in your country at the moment. I heard they shut down some broadcast stations over there such as TV Rain and Echo of Moscow because they were not broadcasting what the Russian government wanted in the situation they prefer framing this invasion as.

Take it from the rest of the world man, if everyone tells you that something you are doing is fucked up and you are the only one telling yourself that its all good, chances are it might be you that is wrong in your assessment of the situation. The world does not want to see another world war let alone another Cold War, and your President clearly wants to embrace those days again which I cannot blame him for since I am sure the days when he was in the KGB were fun as hell for him. No one else is finding this fun however, and they are doing their best to assure this situation ends without it escalating any further.

Finally, if you really are a Russian resident I feel for you in your situation right now, I really do. But If I were you I would rather be worrying about myself and my resources than my nationalism beliefs and broadcasting them to an international community watching this unfold. Your currency is devaluing every moment which is just going to hurt the citizens there more and faster than it will hurt those who rule over you. Take care of yourself, gather your resources and hopefully you will see the other side of this situation unaffected by your country's isolation.

Please, take care of and worry about yourself before you worry about needing to tell us how you think thinks are. If all is well on the other side we will all gladly talk about it or even argue about it when the wind of wars are behind us. Peace, brother.

 

[pustal]

So you are going to pretend not to understand. Not really the subject of the thread, so I won’t indulge you, but a prerequisite to having a polite society is to have a civil society in the first place. You coming up with examples like Somalia makes you look foolish, that’s all I have to say on the matter.

For the record, gun regulation in Switzerland is among the most lax in the entire world - ownership is almost completely unregulated. There is no license required to own arms, regardless of whether you are a citizen or a foreigner. Only acquisition is regulated via shall-issue permits, which do not apply to a wide variety of weapons. I don’t know exactly how you imagine this works, but you could take a flight to Switzerland right now and, in all likelihood, purchase a rifle without too much trouble and with no permanent residence. Citizen service is unrelated to gun control, it has to do with preparedness, if anything.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firearms_regulation_in_Switzerland

So, you end up agreeing with me that gun ownership bresult in society is dependant on the circumstances, like my first response. Talk about pretending not to understand.

And you have it right there: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firearms_regulation_in_Switzerland#Regulation

In order to purchase most weapons, the purchaser must obtain a weapon acquisition permit (art. 8 WG/LArm). Swiss citizens and foreigners with a C permit over the age of 18 who are not under a curator nor identified as being a danger for themselves or others, and who don't have a criminal record with a conviction for a violent crime or of several convictions as long as they haven't been written out can request such a permit.

Foreign nationals who do not have a settlement permit but who are resident in Switzerland must present the competent cantonal authority with an official attestation from their home country confirming they are authorised to acquire the weapon or essential weapon component in that country in order to buy (art. 9a WG/LArm).

The following information must be provided to the cantonal weapon bureau together with the weapon application form:

valid official identification or passport copy.
residence address.
criminal record copy not older than three months.
For each transfer of a weapon or an essential weapon component without weapons acquisition permit (art. 10 WG/LArm), a written contract must be concluded. Each Party shall keep them at least ten years. The contract must include the following information (art. 11 WG/LArm):

Family name, first name, birth date, residence address and signature of the person who sells the weapon or essential weapon component.
Family name, first name, birth date, residence address and signature of the person who purchases the weapon or an essential weapon component.
Kind of weapon, manufacturer or producer, label, caliber, weapon number, and date and place of transfer.
Type and number of the official identification of the person who acquires the weapon or the essential weapon component.
and an indication of the processing of personal data in connection with the contract in accordance with the privacy policy of the Federation or the cantons, if firearms are transmitted.
This information must be sent within 30 days to the cantonal weapon registration bureau, where the weapon holders are registered, though CO2 and airsoft guns are not concerned by this (art. 11 WGLArm)

The following weapons can only be acquired with a may-issue acquisition permit that can be issued for professional requirements, in particular with regard to carrying out protection duties, such as protecting persons, critical infrastructure or the transport of valuables; target shooting by shooting clubs; collecting; National defence requirements; Educational, cultural, research or historical purposes (art. 28c WG/LArm):

• Automatic firearms and military launching devices for ammunition, for projectiles or for missiles that have an explosive effect, and their essential or specially designed components.
• Automatic firearms modified to semi-automatic firearms, and their essential components; the foregoing does not apply to Swiss army firearms the ownership of which is acquired by the holder directly from the military authorities, and to components essential for maintaining the functionality of such weapons
• the following semi-automatic centrefire weapons:
  • Handguns equipped with a high-capacity loading device (21 or more)
  • Small firearms equipped with a high-capacity loading device (11 or more)
• Semi-automatic small firearms that may be shortened by means of a folding or telescopic shaft or without auxiliary means to a length of less than 60 cm, without losing any functionality
• Firearms that resemble an article of everyday use and their essential components;
• Grenade launchers in accordance with Article 4 paragraph 2 letter c

So, no you could not fly out to Switzerland and just buy a gun. You'd need an authorization from your country and get a permit there -that requires background check and evaluation - and even then you'd be limited for what you can buy.

And the you have to be able to carry it

Conditions for obtaining a Carrying PermitEdit​

There are three conditions (art. 27 § 2 WG/LArm):

• fulfilling the conditions for a buying permit (see section above).
• stating plausibly the need to carry firearms to protect oneself, other people, or real property from a specified danger.
• passing an examination proving both weapon handling skills and knowledge regarding lawful use of the weapon.

The carrying permit remains valid for a term of five years (unless otherwise surrendered or revoked), and applies only to the type of firearm for which the permit was issued. Additional constraints may be invoked to modify any specific permit. (art. 27 § 3 WG/LArm)

 

[Foxi4]

So, you end up agreeing with me that gun ownership bresult in society is dependant on the circumstances, like my first response. Talk about pretending not to understand.

And you have it right there: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Firearms_regulation_in_Switzerland#Regulation

So, no you could not fly out to Switzerland and just buy a gun. You'd need an authorization from your country and get a permit there -that requires background check and evaluation - and even then you'd be limited for what you can buy.

I’m familiar with the regulations. The roadblocks you describe are very basic formalities that, in many cases, are less stringent than in the states. You go on being you though. As a side note, you’re referring to a carry permit, which is not the same as a shall issue permit.

 

[SG854]

... you do know that has already happened starting 2012
China has several "friendly" port around southamerica already ( warships,Ammo Cashes, and Buildings)
https://www.nationaldefensemagazine...t-why-chinas-advance-in-latin-america-matters

Putins logic... does not want Nato on Russian Borders ..so he tries to take over a country that Borders NATO ... YUP makes sense... the 'Why you hitting yourself defense""

Which is exactly why the U.S. is getting nervous about China and seething more conflict between U.S. and China. Especially if China were to go to war with Japan.

Their is a geographic milirary benefit to seizing Ukrian. There's the north European plane. It's like a funal that gets larger as it expands out into Russia. Getting wider and wider making it harder for Russia to defend if a conflict with the west were to break out.

With Nato expansion it has pushed the west closer to Russia with an narrow entry point into Russia called the suwalki gap still Russia has geography to its advatage. If Ukriane were to become pro west then this opens up a huge plain into Russia.

Russia wants to expands west to cover up as much of this open plane as possible to narrow the gap and to gain geographic defense against the west.

 

[djpannda]

Russia wants to expands west to cover up as much of this open plane as possible to narrow the gap and to gain geographic defense against the west.

So.... youre stating Russia is literally doing the EXACT same thing it accusing NATO of doing.... because Russia thinks Nato is Planing to do it to stop Russia from doing it...GREAT REASONING!
lol

Which is exactly why the U.S. is getting nervous about China and seething more conflict between U.S. and China. Especially if China were to go to war with Japan.

No you implied Russia is justified in Committing Ukrianain War crimes because USA would do the same thing if China was in South American... but I have shown you that China has expanded and GUESS WHAT USA did not take over Mexico to stop China from its borders...

 

[Dark Ronin]

Words can hold a lot of power, as they can contain information in them. Such as the fact that Russian soldiers were not informed of their actual intent in Ukraine in the first place, and some outright surrendering because they do not want to take part in this fight they were forced/drafted into.

Also speaking of information, there is information control too, which seems to be going on quite a bit in your country at the moment. I heard they shut down some broadcast stations over there such as TV Rain and Echo of Moscow because they were not broadcasting what the Russian government wanted in the situation they prefer framing this invasion as.

Take it from the rest of the world man, if everyone tells you that something you are doing is fucked up and you are the only one telling yourself that its all good, chances are it might be you that is wrong in your assessment of the situation. The world does not want to see another world war let alone another Cold War, and your President clearly wants to embrace those days again which I cannot blame him for since I am sure the days when he was in the KGB were fun as hell for him. No one else is finding this fun however, and they are doing their best to assure this situation ends without it escalating any further.

Finally, if you really are a Russian resident I feel for you in your situation right now, I really do. But If I were you I would rather be worrying about myself and my resources than my nationalism beliefs and broadcasting them to an international community watching this unfold. Your currency is devaluing every moment which is just going to hurt the citizens there more and faster than it will hurt those who rule over you. Take care of yourself, gather your resources and hopefully you will see the other side of this situation unaffected by your country's isolation.

Please, take care of and worry about yourself before you worry about needing to tell us how you think thinks are. If all is well on the other side we will all gladly talk about it or even argue about it when the wind of wars are behind us. Peace, brother.

Thanks, and I do care about my people. My feelings are far more complicated than partiotism or nationalism. But I look at it from the historical point and I do not afraid of death, regardless where and why it will catch my ass.
We're witnessing historical moments, a pure drama that was staged and planned long ago. We're at the other ends of this conflict, however I wish no harm to anyone and also against needless bloodshed. But war is a war.

 

[Foxi4]

Thanks, and I do care about my people. My feelings are far more complicated than partiotism or nationalism. But I look at it from the historical point and I do not afraid of death, regardless where and why it will catch my ass.
We're witnessing historical moments, a pure drama that was staged and planned long ago. We're at the other ends of this conflict, however I wish no harm to anyone and also against needless bloodshed. But war is a war.

The entire conflict is needless, particularly not from a historical standpoint. Russia has no claim on Ukrainian land. If anyone does, the immediate descendants of the nations that used to rule over the region would be Poland, Lithuania (individually, and both collectively on the grounds of the Union of Lublin which led to the creation of the Polish–Lithuanian Commonwealth) and Turkey (the immediate descendants of the Cossacks/the Khannates). Russia didn’t enter the picture until the partition period when they took the land by force - they never had a claim, and they still don’t. None of those states are staking any claims of territorial nature and they all recognise the sovereignty and independence of the Ukrainian state, meanwhile Putin is basing his transparent attempt at conquest on a deal between NATO and the U.S.S.R - a state that *no longer exists*.

 

[djpannda]

Yup Russian are starting that “redpill” lol

This is crazy for any one understand history
TV Rain (Last Independent Tv station in Russia ) decided to walkout because Putin is restricting all mentions of Ukraine.
And the savage part is the Black Swan ballet at the end.
(This is important for Russian/Soviet Union history , as it’s code for Shit about the hit the fan, usually played during a Coup attempt, high profile death and when USSR FELL)


When this is over I don't think Russia is getting any more VETO powers.... ( I don't think any 1 country should have that power)

 

[djpannda]

Belarus news

If true would p
Explain way Belarusian Vehicles are cross the border but not Troops