[POLL] Have you had Covid-19 before?

[Noctosphere]

I opted to remove parts of my own post to pick my own battles. The fact that you mock people who survived Covid as a result of being vaccinated while pretending to know anything about science and expecting respect is an insult. I survived Covid as a result of being vaccinated and the unvaccinated are dying in droves. These are facts and no amount of your ego will change that.

exactly,
Here in Quebec, over 50% of hospitalized people are unvaxxed
The proportion of unvaxxed and vaxxed people in urgencies is immense
Those are fact too
At the radio, I heard someone saying that the vaccine of (iirc, it was that disease) Spain Flu killed more people than the Spain Flu itself, except that... there never were a vaccine for the Spain Flu...
I'm not 100% sure it's the spain flu I'm tlking about, but the guy said the vaccine of that disease killed more people than the disease, but there wasn't any vaccine for that disease ever
That guy hanged up the phone immediatly, it was hilarious

 

[tabzer]

You've repeatedly peddled anti-vax bullshit. It wasn't more than a few posts ago that you suggested the COVID-19 vaccine isn't saving lives.

I didn't. I'm just not seeing any peer-reviewed study on Catboy's survival, nor am I buying into your, "I'm triple vaccinated, and caught Covid three times," autobiography.

These are facts.

That's propaganda.

 

[Noctosphere]

I didn't. I'm just not seeing any peer-reviewed study on Catboy's survival, nor am I buying into your, "I'm a triple vaccinated, and caught Covid three times," autobiography.



That's propaganda.

thanks for not providing link troll
Guys, tag me whenever he provide a link please, in the mean time, I'm unfollowing this thread
BTW, tabzer, you can tag me whenever you provide a link, not for anything else
If you tag me for anything except than providing a link, I'll report you for it
thank you

 

[M7L7NK7]

We're just as dumb for arguing

 

[tabzer]

thanks for not providing link troll
Guys, tag me whenever he provide a link please, in the mean time, I'm unfollowing this thread
BTW, tabzer, you can tag me whenever you provide a link, not for anything else
If you tag me for anything except than providing a link, I'll report you for it
thank you

I'll be sure to tag you when I have something to say to you. Otherwise it is safe to assume that I am not talking to you. Or maybe I don't value your opinion. Your call.

 

[Lacius]

I didn't. I'm just not seeing any peer-reviewed study on Catboy's survival, nor am I buying into your, "I'm a triple vaccinated, and caught Covid three times," autobiography.

It's more than reasonable to think @The Catboy at least experienced much milder symptoms from being vaccinated. It's plausible, given their medical history, that they could have died without having been vaccinated, but we obviously can't demonstrate that to be the case for sure.

Are you saying you accept the fact that the COVID-19 vaccines have saved a significant number of lives? Do you accept the fact that hospitals are being overwhelmed by unvaccinated people at the expense of others?

thanks for not providing link troll
Guys, tag me whenever he provide a link please, in the mean time, I'm unfollowing this thread
BTW, tabzer, you can tag me whenever you provide a link, not for anything else
If you tag me for anything except than providing a link, I'll report you for it
thank you

Don't hold your breath.

 

[The Catboy]

I didn't. I'm just not seeing any peer-reviewed study on Catboy's survival, nor am I buying into your, "I'm triple vaccinated, and caught Covid three times," autobiography.



That's propaganda.

I’ve only caught Covid once and I am vaccinated. My wife also caught Covid at the same time and she is also vaccinated. I have a well documented immune disorder that I am about to meet with a rheumatologist during this month for consultation. My wife has had to bring me to the hospital countless times because I am constantly getting infections. These are documented cases and I have the documents to back it up (not posting for obvious privacy reasons.) I survived because I got vaccinated, the same can not be said of the countless unvaccinated currently dying.

thanks for not providing link troll
Guys, tag me whenever he provide a link please, in the mean time, I'm unfollowing this thread
BTW, tabzer, you can tag me whenever you provide a link, not for anything else
If you tag me for anything except than providing a link, I'll report you for it
thank you

He won’t, he still hasn’t provided any links proving mass voter fraud

 

[tabzer]

It's plausible

I'm not saying that it isn't plausible. It just flies off as speculative nonsense when it comes from the mouth of the undersecretary of peer-review.

Are you saying you accept the fact that the COVID-19 vaccines have saved a significant number of lives?

I accept the generalized statement that the vaccine has mitigated direct covid related injury, but I am unaware of the facts of complications that stem from the washing of humanity with a lifetime regiment of pharmaceutical branding.

Do you accept the fact that hospitals are being overwhelmed by unvaccinated people at the expense of others?

I don't accept the rhetoric that is loaded behind the statement. A hospital's function should be to treat and help people, ideally speaking. Even before covid, I question the economic model that incentivizes their operations. I feel like that is a bigger issue, To introduce the question of who is worthy to receive medical treatment is just another level of dystopia. Whether the statistics of what you are saying are misrepresented or accurate isn't even something I find very interesting.

What I found interesting, though, was your hyperbolic expression of a classification of people who do not exist, in order to leverage credibility for your position. Propaganda 101.

I survived because I got vaccinated, the same can not be said of the countless unvaccinated currently dying.

All I know for sure, is that you admit to being unsure of your own situation. Maybe your issues stem from being afraid of dirt, or maybe having too many vaccinations and sterilizing agents introduced into your system. Maybe the hospitals you frequent created the problem. I don't know. Nothing you offer is conclusive, even though it is apparent that you want to appear as so.

Guys, I'm really busy today. I have to drink my piss at noon, and then I have to visit the doctor at 2.

 

[Lacius]

I'm not saying that it isn't plausible. It just flies off as speculative nonsense when it comes from the mouth of the undersecretary of peer-review.



I accept the generalized statement that the vaccine has mitigated direct covid related injury, but I am unaware of the facts of complications that stem from the washing of humanity with a lifetime regiment of pharmaceutical branding.



I don't accept the rhetoric that is loaded behind the statement. A hospital's function should be to treat and help people, ideally speaking. Even before covid, I question the economic model that incentivizes their operations. I feel like that is a bigger issue, To introduce the question of who is worthy to receive medical treatment is just another level of dystopia. Whether the statistics of what you are saying are misrepresented or accurate isn't even something I find very interesting.

What I found interesting, though, was your hyperbolic expression of a classification of people who do not exist, in order to leverage credibility for your position. Propaganda 101.


All I know for sure, is that you admit to being unsure of your own situation. Maybe your issues stem from being afraid of dirt, or maybe having too many vaccinations and sterilizing agents introduced into your system. Maybe the hospitals you frequent created the problem. I don't know. Nothing you offer is conclusive, even though it is apparent that you want to appear as so.

Guys, I'm really busy today. I have to drink my piss at noon, and then I have to visit the doctor at 2.

There's no evidence the vaccines are dangerous, and there's ample evidence they are safe.

If you actually believe "a hospital's function should be to treat and help people," you should get vaccinated, and you should advocate for as many people as possible also getting vaccinated. Because, in the meantime, people are having to wait in snowy parking lots instead of receiving the medical care they need due to the unvaccinated overrunning hospitals. This isn't about any particular economic model; it's about not having the resources to deal with an unprecedented number of people requiring care.

 

[tabzer]

If you actually believe "a hospital's function should be to treat and help people," you should get vaccinated, and you should advocate for as many people as possible also getting vaccinated.

Are you intentionally deaf to the point that how a hospital functions and how it should function are in disparity? You are taking the "fake it 'til you make it" adage to absurdity. It's not "fake it til they make it" afterall. Or maybe you identify as a hospital, so it becomes "we"?

There's no evidence the vaccines are dangerous, and there's ample evidence they are safe.

Well that's just lying. Risk is danger, and it is present. You may be of the opinion that the risk is worth it. Good for you, but propaganda.

This isn't about any particular economic model; it's about not having the resources to deal with an unprecedented number of people requiring care.

Whatever you say it is about, must be what it is about. My opinion included, apparently.

 

[Lacius]

Are you intentionally deaf to the point that how a hospital functions and how it should function are in disparity? You are taking the "fake it 'til you make it" adage to absurdity. It's not "fake it til they make it" afterall. Or maybe you identify as a hospital, so it becomes "we"?



Well that's just lying. Risk is danger, and it is present. You may be of the opinion that the risk is worth it. Good for you, but propaganda.



Whatever you say it is about, must be what it is about. My opinion included, apparently.

It's telling you ignored, and omitted from your quotations of my post, most of what I said about the unvaccinated overrunning hospitals and displacing others who require care, which is much the entire issue at this point in our conversation. Don't be disingenuous.

 

[The Catboy]

All I know for sure, is that you admit to being unsure of your own situation. Maybe your issues stem from being afraid of dirt, or maybe having too many vaccinations and sterilizing agents introduced into your system. Maybe the hospitals you frequent created the problem. I don't know. Nothing you offer is conclusive, even though it is apparent that you want to appear as so.

Guys, I'm really busy today. I have to drink my piss at noon, and then I have to visit the doctor at 2.

I was unaware that you knew my medical history better than I and my doctors do.

 

[tabzer]

It's telling you ignored, and omitted from your quotations of my post, everything I said about the unvaccinated overrunning hospitals and displacing others who require care, which is much the entire issue at this point in our conversation. Don't be disingenuous.

I already told you that I don't respect the rhetoric that you introduce with such framing. I also told you why. I can't quantify how many points I've made that you have ignored, or misrepresented, so your soapbox doesn't translate to anything useful for me.

I was unaware that you knew my medical history better than I and my doctors do.

You made it clear that your doctors do not know your medical situation. "pending review" is the best I can gather of what you said.

 

[Lacius]

I already told you that I don't respect the rhetoric that you introduce with such framing. I also told you why. I can't quantify how many points I've made that you have ignored, or misrepresented, so your soapbox doesn't translate to anything useful for me.


You made it clear that your doctors do not know your medical situation. "pending review" is the best I can gather of what you said.

Hospitals are being overwhelmed by the unvaccinated. I'm sorry if that's inconvenient for you and if you're unwilling to address it directly. I'm also sorry that history is unlikely to be kind to you.

 

[tabzer]

Hospitals are being overwhelmed by the unvaccinated. I'm sorry if that's inconvenient for you and if you're unwilling to address it directly. I'm also sorry that history is unlikely to be kind to you.

It's not inconvenient for me. I can go to the hospital if I want. I just find that your really wanting to pit vaccinated people against unvaccinated people into a fight that will only yield losers to be a ridiculous endeavor. I think if there was a total-sum financial incentive to cure Covid, it would actually happen. The "in two weeks" into perpetuity isn't sustainable. Stay out of the soothsaying business.

 

[The Catboy]

I already told you that I don't respect the rhetoric that you introduce with such framing. I also told you why. I can't quantify how many points I've made that you have ignored, or misrepresented, so your soapbox doesn't translate to anything useful for me.


You made it clear that your doctors do not know your medical situation. "pending review" is the best I can gather of what you said.

Requiring a specialist to properly diagnose a medical issue is what needs to be done when dealing with complicated medical conditions like immune disorders. We are well aware that there is an issue and that it needs treatment, we had that process hindered since 2020 because of Covid. Just because you don't understand the complicated nature of properly diagnosing complicated medical problems, does not mean we don't know what's going on.

 

[tabzer]

Requiring a specialist to properly diagnose a medical issue is what needs to be done when dealing with complicated medical conditions like immune disorders. We are well aware that there is an issue and that it needs treatment, we've only had that process hindered since 2020 because of Covid. Just because you don't understand the complicated nature of properly diagnosing complicated medical problems, does not mean we don't know what's going on.

You are contradicting yourself. I really hope you find a solution to your situation that provides you with a *better life going forward. That being said, I am not doing you any favors by pretending that "knowing" and "not knowing" are a fluid preference that you can uptake whenever you want to decide to be right in a conversation.

 

[Lacius]

I can go to the hospital if I want.

All over the country, people are sometimes waiting days in emergency rooms to be admitted. People are literally dying because of how overwhelmed hospitals are, particularly in rural areas that depend on services they need in urban centers. You're either delusional, or you need to check your privilege. Not only are many unvaccinated people dying from COVID-19, but they're taking others with them.

Unless there's a medical reason one can't be vaccinated, the choice to be unvaccinated isn't anything other than selfish, and the reasons for refusing the vaccine are grossly unscientific and irrational.

I just find that your really wanting to pit vaccinated people against unvaccinated people into a fight that will only yield losers to be a ridiculous endeavor.

The only thing that yields losers is the idiotic choice to refuse the vaccine for selfish reasons.

I think if there was a total-sum financial incentive to cure Covid, it would actually happen.

This is conspiracy theory nonsense, as usual.

The "in two weeks" into perpetuity isn't sustainable. Stay out of the soothsaying business.

The "few weeks" scenario was about flattening the curve, and similar to what's happening with anti-vaxxers now, there were a lot of selfish people out there who helped to spread the virus instead of helping to flatten the curve.

 

[tabzer]

All over the country, people are sometimes waiting days in emergency rooms to be admitted. People are literally dying because of how overwhelmed hospitals are, particularly in rural areas that depend on services they need in urban centers. You're either delusional, or you need to check your privilege. Not only are many unvaccinated people dying from COVID-19, but they're taking others with them.

Unless there's a medical reason one can't be vaccinated, the choice to be unvaccinated isn't anything other than selfish, and the reasons for refusing the vaccine are grossly unscientific and irrational.

"All over the country." Really? Is that even true? Maybe what you say doesn't apply to me or my country. Check my privilege? Why don't you cancel Starbucks instead.

The only thing that yields losers is the idiotic choice to refuse the vaccine for selfish reasons.

Uhuh, that's the only thing. #vaccines4lyfe

This is conspiracy theory nonsense, as usual.

It's not proposing a conspiracy, nor is it really a theory. It's kind of an economic law.

The "few weeks" scenario was about flattening the curve, and similar to what's happening with anti-vaxxers now, there were a lot of selfish people out there who helped to spread the virus instead of helping to flatten the curve.

You are misquoting me again, which might be intentional or you are just ignorant. "In two weeks" is a meme of a popular marketing method in which a company promises a product to get investors on board. After people buy into the "vaporware" the company says "in two weeks" in response to anybody requesting a timeframe or displaying general hesitance and uncertainty. This is enough time for something else to arise and take up the periphery, in which a new questions occur. Again, "two weeks", for a different issue, but still cumulative in the production of the original promise. 2-4 years later, the product is released, obsolete, or ineffective. The company has to pay some fines, some losses in suits, but end up with a lot more money than they started out with.

That's what the pharmaceutical racket is doing. It's a tried and working model, but it's not sustainable, for you.

 

[Lacius]

"All over the country." Really? Is that even true? Maybe what you say doesn't apply to me or my country. Check my privilege? Why don't you cancel Starbucks instead.


Uhuh, that's the only thing. #vaccines4lyfe


It's not proposing a conspiracy, nor is it really a theory. It's kind of an economic law.


You are misquoting me again, which might be intentional or you are just ignorant. "In two weeks" is a meme of a popular marketing method in which a company promises a product to get investors on board. After people buy into the "vaporware" the company says "in two weeks" in response to anybody requesting a timeframe or displaying general hesitance and uncertainty. This is enough time for something else to arise and take up the periphery, in which a new questions occur. Again, "two weeks", for a different issue, but still cumulative in the production of the original promise. 2-4 years later, the product is released, obsolete, or ineffective. The company has to pay some fines, some losses in suits, but end up with a lot more money than they started out with.

That's what the pharmaceutical racket is doing. It's a tried and working model, but it's not sustainable, for you.

I'm aware the current hospitalization issue might not apply to everybody around the world, which is why I said you're either ignorant or privileged.

I have no idea what your point is about Starbucks. I've never been to one. I don't drink coffee.

With regard to the conversation, I can't think of bigger losers than those who suffer, directly or indirectly, as a result of people selfishly and foolishly refusing to get vaccinated.

To say "it would be cured if it were profitable" is a conspiracy theory, by any definition I'm aware of, and it and your anti-vax rhetoric should be embarrassing. There's a hospitalization crisis because of the unvaccinated, and this isn't up for debate. It's happening.