Friendly reminder: The politics section is a place where a lot of differing opinions are raised. You may not like what you read here but it is someone's opinion. As long as the debate is respectful you are free to debate freely. Also, the views and opinions expressed by forum members may not necessarily reflect those of GBAtemp. Messages that the staff consider offensive or inflammatory may be removed in line with existing forum terms and conditions. Saying NO to fascists/nazis - if you are one of those, you are not welcome here
You are using an out of date browser. It may not display this or other websites correctly. You should upgrade or use an alternative browser.
And you can avoid getting COVID even without the vaccine. Have a healthy life style and you'll be fine. Let's see the long term affects of the vaccine hmm.
Side affects are different for everyone. We are not all the same
I would love to see your data on the lifestyle bit. It must be pretty convincing to justify such a blanket statement in the same post as you saying "but everyones different".
My main questions would be:
1) by "fine", do you mean lack of fatal consequences, lack of any major symptoms, or complete lack of infection?
2) If it is not complete lack of infection, is there not still a risk of transmitting the virus to someone else before you fight it off?
3) Given at least seven million died from Covid with preventative measures, even if it is a lifestyle thing, maybe we should bother with those other preventative measures since clearly a lot of people have vulnerable lifestyles and thats not something you can change on a population level without decades of consistent work?
4) Does being old count as an unhealthy lifestyle?
5) If vaccinating with bits of a virus is suspect, are you also concerned about the long term effects of infection from the entire damn virus, spike proteins and all, brewed inside a bat?
I don't really want to get too involved here, but I know a bunch of friends and adults that didn't get COVID and didn't have the jab. A person I know had the vaccine and had bad side affects for a couple years, nausea, migraines, etc
I have the constitution of a 17th century toddler, so I kinda had to take it. Most of my friends didn't... but they're the types to not tell anyone they're positive, so who knows? Not sure I know anyone with side effects though. Not personally at least.
And you can avoid getting COVID even without the vaccine. Have a healthy life style and you'll be fine. Let's see the long term affects of the vaccine hmm.
And you can avoid getting COVID even without the vaccine. Have a healthy life style and you'll be fine. Let's see the long term affects of the vaccine hmm.
Literally no, that's not how things work in reality. Being healthy may reduce the risk of complications, but it doesn't prevent one from getting sick. This isn't even just about COVID, but life in general. If you are going outside, interacting with people, and living in the real world, you are going to become sick on occasion. Living a "healthy lifestyle" does not stop one from getting COVID, nor does it reduce the risk of long-term side effects or death. I understand you want to see the long-term effects of the vaccines. How long are we waiting? It has been about six years since COVID, and approximately five years since the vaccines were released. How long are you expecting to wait for "long-term" side effects to happen? Side effects of vaccines typically show up immediately or up to 2 weeks later. Considering it's been a bit past a few weeks, I do have to ask, what are you expecting to see? I also have to ask, why are you skeptical about the COVID vaccine?
Bro, you are 14; please stay in school and consider getting out of the spaces filling your head with nonsense. You have no idea what you are on about. It's tragic that you are being allowed to roam the internet unsupervised.
That is not how viruses work. They don't care how healthy you are. that's not even close to how the immune response functions...
Since the education system has failed several people, I'll go over the basics.
1. When the virus enters your body, it takes a while for the body to notice anything in particular is wrong, as it goes undetected on the immune system. This is often, about a week or two.
2. When the body does finally notice, there is a substantial viral build up by that point, and the body starts it's first phase, which is trying to slow the virus down, with all weapons available it has at that time. This is usually when you start having a fever or having symptoms and feeling sick. Part of it is a byproduct of your body fighting, and it also can create inflammation, since it can and often involve killing healthy cells, and cells that are stressed within the area, and macrophages, which try to engulf the viruses and slow it down.
3. After that, your body is trying to figure out the right combination on how to actually get rid of the virus, since at this point, your body isn't actually killing it fast enough to stop replication, it only has the tools to slow it. Once it does figure out the right set of tools, antibodies are created, and once that happens, that's when symptoms often start coming down rapidly. Virus rapidly dwindles, and you no longer feel sick.
The entire point of vaccines, is instead of having the whole casualties and possible complications, we nip it at the bud at step 1.
Body is on full alert, so it already knows how to start fighting.
Post automatically merged:
Edit:
And this is why COVID mutating because people weren't wearing masks or taking shit seriously was a problem.
By allowing it to infect people, it still could mutate. The vaccine helped reduced how much of viral payload one could transmit to another if either party was vaccinated.
And eventually mutate far enough, that the original weapons used/solution, no longer works. And the body has to restart the whole process all over again. Even if it detected a variant faster from a older outdated vaccine, it still didn't have the weapons or tools ready to kill it, since now it's a much different thing.
If as many people were vaccinated as possible, or lock downs taken actual seriously. The amount of new people the virus could spread to would be so thin it would become eradicated, instead of our current problem, which is now that it's endemic. It's less dangerous because that's how viruses work (the ones that kill, often get less lethal as they mutate, due to how if it kills you, then it doesn't have as much chance to spread as the one that doesn't.)
But it doesn't mean it's not a problem anymore, because it still is, less lethal does not mean, not lethal.
People not doing what they wer told is why it managed to mutate faster too. With the original strain, then the British and even Delta, the OG mRNA vaccines were actually quite effective, but that changed when the Omikron variantr appeared, it cut short its incubation time by a lot, whichb in turn reduced the effectiveness of any vaccination we could have come up with, mRNA or otherwise. They still do their job but not nearly as much as with pre Omikron variants.
If peopel actually listened and followed what was said, we= could have slowed down the mutation pre Omikron a lot, and potentially saved us a lot of issues.
My view hasn't changed much, other than realising not getting the vaccine is a badge of honour against conformity and government control.
I still think it helped with lessening severity of symptoms. For the record I got the shot, didn't enjoy the fact I had to get it to be allowed in public, and I did
catch Covid afterwards and covid was seriously debilitating. I'm thankful I didn't get it right away because remember one of them turned out to have bad side effects.
My view hasn't changed much, other than realising not getting the vaccine is a badge of honour against conformity and government control.
I still think it helped with lessening severity of symptoms. For the record I got the shot, didn't enjoy the fact I had to get it to be allowed in public, and I did
...
Not getting vaccine. Badge.... honor.
But... getting vaccine, reduce symptoms... debilitated from catching covid.
...
but... don't want conformity... doesn't want vaccine... it's conformity. even though it makes catching covid less debilitating.
but says vaccine helped... him.
But no vaccine = badge of honor.
..............................................................
So... Hypothetically, speaking, if you went back in time, before you got vaccinated and didn't -you would be just? dead?
Is being dead the badge of honor? If you lived in a country where the government ran a desalination plant. Would you say that getting water from the desalination plant is conformity and control because the government ran it? Sure, I guess you can pray for water or something in a place that normally doesn't have a whole lot of it.
Like this is such a logical stretch of insanity that my brain is loosing brain cells trying to understand how you can
A. believe that the vaccine helped you (in my books, likely medically saved you if your case is as bad as it sounds)
B. that you think that not having it is a badge of honor
Post automatically merged:
I found the word, this is insanely dissonant. And I don't know if I should be mortified or be morbidly curious on how a person can just, hold all those conflicting ideas, write that down, acknowledge that they are conflicting, and say "yup this mentally makes sense to me"
It must be hard being an antivaxxer. That belief can't come out of nowhere, nobody runs their own scientific studies, we all get our opinions from somewhere.
But everyone who claims to know The Truth about why vaccines are bad, they just...run away, so easily. There's a revolving door in this thread of people coming in, having their argument gently poked to check its stability, and then they leave as it collapses. I wonder how many of them are still watching this thread, trying to figure out a good response 12 pages in? You reckon you're gonna convince anyone in hiding?
Maybe in another 12 pages they'll figure out an argument that sticks. No luck so far. Please refer to my still unchallenged post on page 1.
Actually, while I'm here, I don't think I've had a chance to complain about "Eat Out to Help Out", another top-tier Covid strategy from my government.
Right inbetween a bunch of lockdowns, at the height of the pandemic, the brightest minds of our government looked at some charts of the economy and said "uh oh. nobody is going to restaurants because they're trying to stop the pandemic". This was obviously very bad as it meant the owners of these restaurants would lose money.
Sure, we had furlough schemes to help businesses survive, but the economy! Who cares about surviving when we could have profits!
So they...at the height of the pandemic...gave everyone taxpayer-funded vouchers to go and hit the town. Everyone gather round and go to a restaurant and share food and cough all over each other.
Maybe Covid wouldn't have been that bad if we didn't have people fighting on the side of the virus.
People believe vaccines are bad because the wellness industry makes so much money selling natural treatments which are fundamentally ineffective. The facts about the benefits and risks of vaccines are very clear to all who listen but as psychologists, con artists and marketers all know, when you get someone's emotions involved, logical reasoning is forgotten.
The wellness industry goes so far as to writing political narratives to discredit scientific research then makes up whatever bullshit they want their audience to believe. You can't make much money selling fermented cod liver oil, essential oils, probiotics and so on if you give your audience a neutral analysis of their benefits.
Don't get me wrong, probiotics are healthy but you can brew up some sauerkraut in your own kitchen for the cost of some cabbage. Fermented cod liver oil and essential oils are for the vast majority of people a complete waste of money. If you live very far north then you should talk to a doctor about taking vitamin D supplements in winter. If you feel like brewing your own perfume on the weekend with essential oils as a fun project then do it. Don't let yourself be misled into thinking it's some magical health concoction.
You commented: "I got the vaccines but I stopped and didn't get my last boosters because the vaccines did jack shit and I kept catching covid repeatedly anyways." which showed that you thought that vaccines are there to entirely block ever getting a virus ever again. Knowledge is power, and I corrected you, making you stronger. You're welcome.
I don't really want to get too involved here, but I know a bunch of friends and adults that didn't get COVID and didn't have the jab. A person I know had the vaccine and had bad side affects for a couple years, nausea, migraines, etc
which showed that you thought that vaccines are there to entirely block ever getting a virus ever again. Knowledge is power, and I corrected you, making you stronger. You're welcome.
No, I JUST said I was not eagar to take more of a fresh and rushed vaccine than necessary. I have a perfectly competent immune system and can live without. The only reason I even got one to begin with was because I was still in high school at the time and they required us to have them.
Would YOU stick shit into your arm when your whole family has a painful reaction to it for days (my mother was stuck in bed because of how strong it was), you don't need it, and just not spreading it to begin with is of greater priority? Or are you one of those "throw pills at every problem" people?
Sorry, I didn't know that you were omniscient and smarter than everyone else. I'm not having this. Go jerk yourself off somewhere else.
Mrna vaccines have been under RN&D for forever, it didn't even initially come as part of vaccine treatment. A lot of that tech, came from anti cancer research, which just happened to be useful for vaccines.
Second off, this whole narrative that it was rushed is bogus. Back during the Ebola outbreak, there was a vaccine developed using Mrna, but only since african countries was effected, it had no financial backing. This came after 30 years of research.
Would YOU stick shit into your arm when your whole family has a painful reaction to it for days (my mother was stuck in bed because of how strong it was), you don't need it, and just not spreading it to begin with is of greater priority? Or are you one of those "throw pills at every problem" people?
That's every fucking vaccine. I've had ones that dumpster me for like 3 days. And that's because your immune system is going through the motions.
Also as someone who lived with a mother who was Immunocompromised. If I have a choice between a annoying thing to deal with, or her DEAD. I am taking the annoying option.
And that's how people should view things. There are people who straight up cannot be vaccinated. Choosing not to, risking getting people severely hurt or killed, because it's annoying, or inconvenient, is selfish.
No, I JUST said I was not eagar to take more of a fresh and rushed vaccine than necessary. I have a perfectly competent immune system and can live without. The only reason I even got one to begin with was because I was still in high school at the time and they required us to have them.
Would YOU stick shit into your arm when your whole family has a painful reaction to it for days (my mother was stuck in bed because of how strong it was), you don't need it, and just not spreading it to begin with is of greater priority? Or are you one of those "throw pills at every problem" people?
Sorry, I didn't know that you were omniscient and smarter than everyone else. I'm not having this. Go jerk yourself off somewhere else.
If you actually knew how vaccines worked, you wouldn't be saying this. The fact that your entire family (including you I assume) had a painful reaction to it means that "perfectly competent immune system" being flaunted off is in fact NOT perfect. If you thought the body's reaction to what is essentially an inactive or weakened version of the virus was bad, now imagine if you all contracted the potent one that wasn't in such a controlled situation....
The whole purpose of a vaccine isn't to magically cure the body. It's to give your body time to learn to fight off the real thing. But how is your body expected to learn to keep you alive when you decided to deprive your brain of information? Might want to get off your phone and Tik Tok, go pick up a book, and give your brain some nourishment.
I decided to take a look around because at this point I got curious.
I don't think I should take someone serious who write a "don't tread on me" on their website. And cries about people on bluesky, claiming that all of them are communists.
Post automatically merged:
Oh and posting about your transphobia and reposting transphobia doesn't do you any favors either.
Post automatically merged:
oh
Okay, so you would be part of the doge boys calling the holocausts dei, yup. Now definitely not worth my time.
After the Twilight Princess decompilation efforts concluded last year, many have been waiting patiently (or not so patiently) for news of an inevitable PC port. For...
It wasn't too long ago we saw our first glimpse of Courage Reborn, another Twilight Princess PC port in the works based on last year's decompilation efforts. With...
After much speculation, Nintendo has finally followed their competitors in announcing price increases for their hardware.
You can find a breakdown of what's changing...
Minish Cap has been decompiled for a few years now, but we've heard very little in the way of news when it comes to what most people want out of these decompilation...
If you've emulated a SNES game, you've probably heard of ZSNES. Originally released way back in 1997 and seeing active development for the ten years that followed, it...
Airing last night with very little in the way of warning, a brand new Nintendo Direct was aired. Running for 15 minutes in total, it took a moment to celebrate the...
Known more widely for their unusual stock price in modern times, GameStop has seen a steady decline as the go-to retail space for US gamers. In what feels like an...
Are you the kind of person who thinks Pokemon takes itself too seriously nowadays? That lives for the Kanto region? And loves a good old DMCA joke? Well do I have the...
Earlier this year, Sony confirmed a broad round of PS5, PS5 Pro, and PlayStation Portal price increases, with the new prices taking effect on April 2. Now it looks...
After much speculation and a couple of leaks in the past few days, Valve have finally confirmed both the release date and price of their upcoming Steam Controller...
It wasn't too long ago we saw our first glimpse of Courage Reborn, another Twilight Princess PC port in the works based on last year's decompilation efforts. With...
After much speculation, Nintendo has finally followed their competitors in announcing price increases for their hardware.
You can find a breakdown of what's changing...
Airing last night with very little in the way of warning, a brand new Nintendo Direct was aired. Running for 15 minutes in total, it took a moment to celebrate the...
Known more widely for their unusual stock price in modern times, GameStop has seen a steady decline as the go-to retail space for US gamers. In what feels like an...
If you've emulated a SNES game, you've probably heard of ZSNES. Originally released way back in 1997 and seeing active development for the ten years that followed, it...
After the Twilight Princess decompilation efforts concluded last year, many have been waiting patiently (or not so patiently) for news of an inevitable PC port. For...
As a part of their Financial Results Briefing for the previous year, Nintendo president Shuntaro Furukawa took to the floor to answer key questions around the Switch...
Earlier this year, Sony confirmed a broad round of PS5, PS5 Pro, and PlayStation Portal price increases, with the new prices taking effect on April 2. Now it looks...
After much speculation and a couple of leaks in the past few days, Valve have finally confirmed both the release date and price of their upcoming Steam Controller...
Earlier this year, Sony announced major price increases for the PS5, PS5 Pro, and PlayStation Portal. Now the company is raising prices again, this time for...
