The COVID-19 vaccine in retrospect

[The Catboy]

Not a day goes by when I don’t see something stupid as fuck in these forums from people who expect to be taken seriously

I honestly feel bad for the people in the lives of anti-vaxxors/anti-Covid vaccine folks. Being around idiots who willfully expose others to viruses because they trust their own stupidity over experts has to be stressful.

Literally, my body, my choice. I'm not getting the Covid jab, ain't going through the jab side effects, for a minor flu that I got over twice.

lmao

Please don’t have kids. I fear you might be a danger to any immediate family and people around you

 

[Thardus]

Not a day goes by when I don’t see something stupid as fuck in these forums from people who expect to be taken seriously

I honestly feel bad for the people in the lives of anti-vaxxors/anti-Covid vaccine folks. Being around idiots who willfully expose others to viruses because they trust their own stupidity over experts has to be stressful.


Please don’t have kids. I fear you might be a danger to any immediate family and people around you

Guess how many vaccines my kids have

 

[The Catboy]

Guess how many vaccines my kids have

If you say zero, then I hope someone calls CPS on you

 

[Thardus]

If you say zero, then I hope someone calls CPS on you

Zeeeeeeeeeero

 

[The Catboy]

Zeeeeeeeeeero

Actual child abuse, I hope that’s corrected. You’ve failed as a parent

 

[SeltzerMist]

Could be lying (hopefully lying) about having kids. Was someone really stupid enough to sleep with this guy?

 

[Sir Tortoise]

Thank you. yeah, glad to be better.

being healthy is better than a getting a vaccine, or gene-therapy injection. it's no conspiracy that people with severe comorbidities were primarily the ones dying with covid while there was essentially very little risk for everyone else.

we are subject to bad pathogens everyday but a healthy body more-or-less just deals with it. if you maintain a healthy body, and you're exposed to something, you're more likely to overcome it. if you're "at risk" you can do what you need to do to keep yourself safe.

your poor health decisions leading up to this point is not my or my family's responsibility. and asking a generation of young children (and everyone else) to submit to these ineffective and disastrous mandates is extremely arrogant, selfish, and entitled.

If you adjusted for age (some states have older populations than others), there didn't seem to be any difference in health outcomes between states that locked down and states that didn't, or states that forced masks on people and states that didn't

remember the pandemic? neither do I: largely empty hospitals and hospital ships, bored hospital staff making cringy dance routines for TikTok, just 15 days to slow the spread, flu deaths dropped to basically zero, just 15 more days, just 15 more days...

regarding the jab being safe and effective: check it out. from the completely unbiased and totally fair NPR: https://www.npr.org/sections/health...nes-hurt-by-placebo-recipients-getting-immuni


just to be clear, the final FDA authorization and approval for the "vaccines" were based on the outcome of these trials. the control group was intentionally lost because it was "the right thing to do" after all. so there was no way to measure the efficacy, effectiveness or safety of the "vaccines".

but I'm not sure what was most disturbing out of all of it, the people who are still delusional? maybe that's not fair; much of the truth has been memory-holed over the years, and was heavily censored at the time. maybe it was the new trend that happened after the jab rolled out, and the crazy number of young healthy people who "died suddenly", a trend that was nearly non-existent before.

The irony of calling other people selfish while saying you shouldn't have to take a vaccine to reduce the spread of something that only kills people likely to die to Covid. Genius.

The rest of your post seems to be largely you taking your personal media consumption as objective truth. Hospitals weren't overrun because you saw some TikToks of hospital staff. You started seeing posts about people dying suddenly so there was definitely a new trend rather than normal deaths being highlighted to you. Who cares about the actual data on hospital capacity and deaths?

Then finally, the article. I don't think you've actually read it all the way through. You're asserting that these studies were somehow intentionally damaged... because the people in the placebo group later chose to go get vaccinated. And yes, this is an unavoidable problem with medical studies, one that has existed long before you heard about it. We can't trial cancer treatments with a full placebo because there aren't many people who are willing to take water shots for their osteosarcoma, for example. We can still test these treatments, it's just not absolutely ideal because reality gets in the way of our frictionless test enviroment.

How would you propose they fix this problem? Ban the participants from getting vaccinated? Firstly this is now just a proposal to hold off vaccinating anyone until X years have passed, since you want the authorisation to be dependent on this test. The actual short-term effects that this placebo group would be best suited to test don't matter, we just can't vaccinate against the pandemic until we have data on 5-year outcomes, despite the wealth of existing data to suggest that vaccines don't make people grown horns X years in. This is a new kind of vaccine, but its not from outer space. Do you also wait five years when they change the recipe on a brand of chocolate? What if this one makes you infertile... somehow?

Secondly... you're suggesting They have sabotaged the studies by removing the placebo group. So we can't get data on the placebo group. There's no way to get that data, so important that it would warrant whatever solution you thought of earlier.
The placebo group is unvaccinated.
YOU are now the placebo group, along with everyone else who chose not to get vaccinated, and everyone who never had the chanve to get vaccinated before contracting Covid.
So yeah, I find it a little ridiculous to suggest that They have buried the data on this. The article you posted literally says we are going to get that data!

"I think over time we'll get that data," Fierro says, even without a placebo group.

So, congratulations, we can still assess if the vaccine is effective (as already happened in the early trials). Safety is still locked behind the passage of time if you're convinced (without evidence) that these vaccines are going to suddenly cause effects worse than the virus brewed inside bats, out of nowhere, via some novel mechanism unknown to science that is currently invisible and will only rear its head at current date + 5 years. But a better placebo group wouldn't solve that either, would it? You are already the better placebo group, just minus the placebo.

 

[ELY_M]

I got all vaccines as a kid. I do get flu and Covid vaccines every year now.

 

[NitroShell]

I got all vaccines as a kid. I do get flu and Covid vaccines every year now.

Flu and Covid "vaccines" aren't even vaccines TBH, you don't need them it's just a conspiracy made from BIG PHARMA to get more money.

 

[DiscostewSM]

Flu and Covid "vaccines" aren't even vaccines TBH, you don't need them it's just a conspiracy made from BIG PHARMA to get more money.

They all say that until they get sick with the flu and/or covid. And then they waste space in a hospital when it could be used for the smarter people that actually understand these things.

But that's not to say that Big Pharma doesn't use the situation to their advantage.

 

[NitroShell]

They all say that until they get sick with the flu and/or covid. And then they waste space in a hospital when it could be used for the smarter people that actually understand these things.

But that's not to say that Big Pharma doesn't use the situation to their advantage.

They aren’t even vaccines because they literally give you a tiny bit of what they are trying to prevent, you don’t actually get rid of it, I understand the point of doing it this way because the flu mutates each year so a vaccine wouldn’t work but it’s still stupid regardless.

 

[SeltzerMist]

Another great example on why a reasonable discussion with an anti vaxxer simply isn't possible.

 

[realtimesave]

I got vaccinated, felt fine the next day then I went to a job site and threw up in the garbage and was sent home. Still got paid for my time though. Later on I got covid. Vaccine does not work lol.

 

[DiscostewSM]

I got vaccinated, felt fine the next day then I went to a job site and threw up in the garbage and was sent home. Still got paid for my time though. Later on I got covid. Vaccine does not work lol.

It's like you have absolutely no idea how it's meant to work. It ain't a cure-all miracle drug.

 

[SeltzerMist]

I got vaccinated, felt fine the next day then I went to a job site and threw up in the garbage and was sent home. Still got paid for my time though. Later on I got covid. Vaccine does not work lol.

I'd sooner believe your diet caused that. I don't recall nausea ever being a side effect.

Alternatively, you're just lying.

 

[realtimesave]

I'd sooner believe your diet caused that. I don't recall nausea ever being a side effect.

Alternatively, you're just lying.

what is my gain here by lying? and my diet is fine. and if you're assuming I'm anti-vaxxer, you are dumb.

 

[SeltzerMist]

what is my gain here by lying? and my diet is fine. and if you're assuming I'm anti-vaxxer, you are dumb.

Well your claim is that a vaccine that is proven to work, does not.

What logical reason should you not be lumped in with them?

 

[realtimesave]

Well your claim is that a vaccine that is proven to work, does not.

What logical reason should you not be lumped in with them?

I never said it doesn't work. It didn't work for me doesn't mean it didn't work for other people.

 

[Sir Tortoise]

I got vaccinated, felt fine the next day then I went to a job site and threw up in the garbage and was sent home. Still got paid for my time though. Later on I got covid. Vaccine does not work lol.

Can I ask how you're comparing your vaccinated response to Covid with the unvaccinated response that you never had?

It's like saying fire departments are useless because one person died in a fire recently, because you cannot see the alternate universe where there wasnt a fire department and 50 people died in the same fire.

If only there was some way to compare unvaccinated and vaccinated responses, in some sort of study. Sadly we only have data for one person who can see alternate universes and says it didnt do anything for them

 

[ChibiMofo]

"Back in 2020 the COVID-19 vaccine was the most hotly debated topic on the internet."

No it wasn't. Whether or not to shoot people who refused to wear masks was.

And the vaccine saved my life. It saved countless lives. Vaccines save lives. Only idiots who love the fascist Traitor Trump and his lapdog RFK Jr. believe otherwise.