Covid-19 vaccine

[The Catboy]

is not anti vaxx to be mad about the government forcing you to take something lol

Did a quick search and didn't find any evidence to say the government is forcing people to get vaccinated. Got any sources to back up this claim of yours?

 

[linuxares]

Say no to vaccine passports and mandatory vaccinations.
https://twitter.com/disclosetv/status/1421462935717781514

Nah, I rather ask anti-vaxxers to be treated like second class citizen if they gonna be a possible cooking pot for diseases.

 

[Valwinz]

Let the government force people to take it for a virus less deadly than the Spanish Flu
Amazing how people here are ready to tell their right the Cult is deep in here lol

 

[Gunstorm]

I received the 1st of astra zeneca, waiting for the Second

 

[Lacius]

Let the government force people to take it for a virus less deadly than the Spanish Flu
Amazing how people here are ready to tell their right the Cult is deep in here lol

1. The government generally isn't forcing people to get the vaccine in the US.
2. Whether or not the government is forcing anyone to take the vaccine is a separate issue entirely from whether or not people should take the vaccine.
3. The Spanish Flu was incredibly deadly and is an extremely high bar for dangerousness, and I laughed when you made the comparison. It'd be like me saying tattoos aren't painful because they don't even compare to having my fingernails ripped out. Generally, when someone wants to emphasize how not-dangerous something is, they compare it to something that isn't dangerous.
4. That all being said, before the vaccine, the mortality rate on average was approximately 1% with COVID-19. If 1% of people when flew in airplanes died, that would be 60,000 people dead per day from flying in airplanes, and you would never fly again.
5. Among people under the age of 35, the mortality rate is 0.004%. If 0.004% of people who flew on airplanes died, that would be 240 people dead from airplane flights per day, and you would never fly again.

Get vaccinated. It's in your best interest, and it's in the best interest of those around you.

 

[BitMasterPlus]

Nah, I rather ask anti-vaxxers to be treated like second class citizen if they gonna be a possible cooking pot for diseases.

True colors showing. Because treating people like second class citizens has always worked so well in history. No conflicts or wars ever arose from that. If you feel threatened by "anti-vaxxers" for not taking this experimental shit, that's your problem. You try to force people, well, the results are not gonna be pretty. But hey, as long as you get your way, what's a few bodies?

 

[Lacius]

True colors showing. Because treating people like second class citizens has always worked so well in history. No conflicts or wars ever arose from that. If you feel threatened by "anti-vaxxers" for not taking this experimental shit, that's your problem. You try to force people, well, the results are not gonna be pretty. But hey, as long as you get your way, what's a few bodies?

I don't think @linuxares is talking about mistreating anyone. The point is that, for the safety of people broadly, unvaccinated people are going to be required to engage in more COVID-19 mitigation strategies like mask-wearing, etc. because they are willfully allowing themselves to be likelier disease vectors.

There was nothing wrong with their statement. I'm in full agreement.

 

[BitMasterPlus]

I don't think @linuxares is talking about mistreating anyone. The point is that, for the safety of people broadly, unvaccinated people are going to be required to engage in more COVID-19 mitigation strategies like mask-wearing, etc. because they are willfully allowing themselves to be likelier disease vectors.

There was nothing wrong with their statement. I'm in full agreement.

Maybe if the disease had all your limbs fall off and bleed from every orifice from your body then it'd be a different story, but for a disease you have a 99.9% chance of survival rate unless you're really old or unhealthy like obesity or have 24 other diseases with it, then I suggest to suck it up and deal with people's decisions, since it's not your choice to tell anyone what to do.

I'm not telling anyone to take or not take the vaccine, I only advocate for a persons right to choose.

 

[Deleted member 559230]

Maybe if the disease had all your limbs fall off and bleed from every orifice from your body then it'd be a different story, but for a disease you have a 99.9% chance of survival rate unless you're really old or unhealthy like obesity or have 24 other diseases with it, then I suggest to suck it up and deal with people's decisions, since it's not your choice to tell anyone what to do.

I'm not telling anyone to take or not take the vaccine, I only advocate for a persons right to choose.

I got the vaccine, but I'm only sharing that because I want to. I fully believe that if you don't want the vaccine or don't want to share your personal health choices with others that you shouldn't be forced to do so. COVID-19 isn't that deadly and now that we have the vaccines its even less deadly. These entire delta variant scare tactics from the main stream media aren't working either. After four years of lies against Trump and conservatives anyone who would not realize how fake the media is and trust what they report would be a fucking moron.

 

[Lacius]

Maybe if the disease had all your limbs fall off and bleed from every orifice from your body then it'd be a different story, but for a disease you have a 99.9% chance of survival rate unless you're really old or unhealthy like obesity or have 24 other diseases with it, then I suggest to suck it up and deal with people's decisions, since it's not your choice to tell anyone what to do.

I'm not telling anyone to take or not take the vaccine, I only advocate for a persons right to choose.

I haven't advocated against a person's right to choose. I'm acknowledging that the vaccines are safe and effective, it's in a person's best interest to get vaccinated, and there's a moral imperative to get vaccinated if you care about the lives of others.

 

[BitMasterPlus]

I haven't advocated against a person's right to choose. I'm acknowledging that the vaccines are safe and effective, it's in a person's best interest to get vaccinated, and there's a moral imperative to get vaccinated if you care about the lives of others.

No one cares about what you think your or anyone's "moral imperative" is. At the end of the day, it's a person's choice, and you or I are no doctors to tell people what to do.

 

[Lacius]

I got the vaccine, but I'm only sharing that because I want to. I fully believe that if you don't want the vaccine or don't want to share your personal health choices with others that you shouldn't be forced to do so. COVID-19 isn't that deadly and now that we have the vaccines its even less deadly. These entire delta variant scare tactics from the main stream media aren't working either. After four years of lies against Trump and conservatives anyone who would not realize how fake the media is and trust what they report would be a fucking moron.

COVID-19 is a deadly disease. It has killed 614,000 Americans so far.

What "lies" about the former president are you referring to? I have a hunch they aren't actually lies.

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No one cares about what you think your or anyone's "moral imperative" is. At the end of the day, it's a person's choice, and you or I are no doctors to tell people what to do.

I didn't say it wasn't a person's choice, but that does not mean there isn't a moral imperative. If we agree that human lives matter, and we agree about the scientific facts regarding COVID-19 and the vaccines, then you necessarily agree there's a moral imperative to get vaccinated.

 

[Kurt91]

Nah, I rather ask anti-vaxxers to be treated like second class citizen if they gonna be a possible cooking pot for diseases.

I'd rather not go with the "second-class citizen" line of thinking for this. I personally don't want to get the vaccine, but mainly because I already have a weakened immune system from cancer treatment, and I'm not 100% certain I'd survive the side-effects of the vaccine. My family even asked the doctor about it, and he said getting the vaccine in my case was a terrible idea.

I'd rather not be treated as a "second-class citizen" because I don't feel like dying right away, thank you very much. I still have some things I'd like to accomplish in my life.

 

[The Catboy]

I haven't advocated against a person's right to choose. I'm acknowledging that the vaccines are safe and effective, it's in a person's best interest to get vaccinated, and there's a moral imperative to get vaccinated if you care about the lives of others.

It doesn’t matter what anyone says, anti-vaxxors are just gonna take it as a personal attack because they are being asked to two things; care about people and use their brain.

 

[Dakitten]

No one cares about what you think your or anyone's "moral imperative" is. At the end of the day, it's a person's choice, and you or I are no doctors to tell people what to do.

Oh fluff, we finally got through to BMP! Doctors ARE in a nearly absolutely unanimous decision telling you the best thing to do is to get the vaccine! Congrats on finally seeing the other side!

Also, moral people care about moral imperatives. ¬.¬
Kinda don't really need to elaborate much on that one.

I'd rather not go with the "second-class citizen" line of thinking for this. I personally don't want to get the vaccine, but mainly because I already have a weakened immune system from cancer treatment, and I'm not 100% certain I'd survive the side-effects of the vaccine. My family even asked the doctor about it, and he said getting the vaccine in my case was a terrible idea.

I'd rather not be treated as a "second-class citizen" because I don't feel like dying right away, thank you very much. I still have some things I'd like to accomplish in my life.

It is unfortunate, but your condition means you have more to worry about when going outside. Sucks, but the more other people get vaccinated, the sooner you can stop worrying about it too! If anything, this is more reason for you to promote vaccination and seclude yourself from folk as much as possible, once the disease largely dies off you don't have as much to worry about threatening your life!

 

[Alexander1970]

Nice:

- Anti Vaxxers
- Vaccine Refusers
- People who do not like/want to get vaccinated
- Conspiracy theorists / practitioners
- ....

Now all thrown in the one and the same "Group".All Equal and all the Same in their point of Views.


So we should do the same with

- Gays
- Lesbians
- Bi-sexual
- Trans-sexual
- Inter and Queer people
- .....

Throw them in one Group and say they are equal in their Orientation and all is the same,no Difference in their Point of Views.....
Good Luck and have Fun.....

Very advanced.....

 

[RocaBOT]

Your comparison does not apply, one of those two groups is actually being dangerous to society as a whole for allowing the continued propagation and mutation of a disease that has already rendered our healthcare systems unusable several times in less than two years. The other is not spreading anything bad, and is actually being killed by some assholes just because they want to kill someone.
If you could compare comparable things, and stop being stupid about it, that would be great.

 

[Lacius]

Nice:

- Anti Vaxxers
- Vaccine Refusers
- People who do not like/want to get vaccinated
- Conspiracy theorists / practitioners
- ....

Now all thrown in the one and the same "Group".All Equal and all the Same in their point of Views.

At this point, aren't they the same?

 

[KingVamp]

No one here is calling people anti-vax for literally not being able to take the vaccine and I doubt many, if at all, in general are saying that.

 

[linuxares]

I'd rather not go with the "second-class citizen" line of thinking for this. I personally don't want to get the vaccine, but mainly because I already have a weakened immune system from cancer treatment, and I'm not 100% certain I'd survive the side-effects of the vaccine. My family even asked the doctor about it, and he said getting the vaccine in my case was a terrible idea.

I'd rather not be treated as a "second-class citizen" because I don't feel like dying right away, thank you very much. I still have some things I'd like to accomplish in my life.

Thats however is a medicinal reason. Not a "I don't wanna" reason. Therefore you would fall in the same exception of those who can't take the vaccine because of allergies.

I mean people that don't take the vaccine because of selfish and conspiratorial reasons.