Covid-19 vaccine

[tabzer]

When all is said and done, the only thing important is the bottom line. Let the plebs make up for it and do the job for free.

 

[videogamefanatic]

If Vaccines are as safe as everyone claims Billionaires do not need blanket liability immunity. Auto-industry does just fine without a liability waiver killing or maiming a much larger percentage of people than vaccines do.

https://money.usnews.com/investing/...sts-25-billion-in-2021-sales-of-covid-19-shot

You know what? I don't care if I get banned for saying you're a straight up dumbass. Someone has to call it out.

Also, Terry Crews says to get the vaccine. Maybe he'll convince you. https://twitter.com/terrycrews/status/1370056928710303745?s=20

 

[tabzer]

You know what? I don't care if I get banned for just saying you're a straight up dumbass. Someone has to call it out.

I care if you get banned, and I would hate even more for it to be for no reason. So at least supply that.

 

[jimbo13]

You know what? I don't care if I get banned for just saying you're a straight up dumbass. Someone has to call it out.

Also, Terry Crews says to get the vaccine. Maybe he'll convince you. https://twitter.com/terrycrews/status/1370056928710303745?s=20

Not as dumb as supporting blanket liability immunity for a "perfectly safe" product.

 

[SG854]

Arguing for the sake "herd immunity" but not connected to popularity? Claiming I'm the one twisting things and "fucking crazy", but saying that I am against vaccines because of "popularity"?

Yes, it is projection on your part.

If you believe in an institution (which lies) and hate whistleblowers, then I can admit that I envy your confidence.

There you go again. Associating it with popularity when it has nothing to do with that.

Science has nothing to do with popularity contest. It can't be projection if popularity is not the reason why I support vaccines.

You said,you wear a Mask and you never got Covid.Very good,Really.
A very nice Example.

Are you now vaccinated ?
For the Example you brought and for the Pro Vaccination Side,the Fact,you can still get Covid (of course with not so hard Symptoms).





So one Point if you allow please (and it is nothing against you and your Post,my Friend.).

Would you be so nice and kind and can you please explain me the Logic of Vaccination ALL People with the Example from @SG854 please ?
(I am willing to understand the ONE View....)


I hope I made my Question really clear and with no Offending please.
Thank you.

I'm fully vaxxed. You can still get covid at a much reduced rate, but if I do get it my body will do a better job fighting it off and less likely to spread it which is the main reason why I got vaxxed, to not spread it to older people.

On the second part did you tag me on accident? You quoted someone else but tagged me.

 

[Alexander1970]

On the second part did you tag me on accident? You quoted someone else but tagged me.

Yes,it was an "Accident,I want an Answer from our User @Dakitten

I corrected it,and.......no Answer until now.....

 

[tabzer]

There you go again. Associating it with popularity when it has nothing to do with that.

Science has nothing to do with popularity contest. It can't be projection if popularity is not the reason why I support vaccines.

Herd immunity is stapled to popularity. The projection was you saying that I was twisting things, and then immediately saying a twisted statement--attributing my skepticism of the mrna vaccine to be based on popularity, which was as ironic as was a projection. If you can't understand that, then it's okay.

 

[videogamefanatic]

Not as dumb as supporting blanket liability immunity for a "perfectly safe" product.

There are *always* risks involved with anything, so let's talk about them. Most covid related papers are open access. Here's a search term: "covid vaccine side effects papers." Hell, the CDC even keeps track of deaths in the US. 6340 deaths out of 342 million total doses given, 0.0019%, which is 3 orders of magnitude lower than the covid death rate of 1.8%. Some percentage of those vaccine deaths aren't even vaccine deaths since deaths with unclear causes after getting the vaccine must be reported to the tracker.

So, the risk of the vaccine is negligible. 0.0019% is practically a freak accident, and it's also overshooting the actual lower value. It's literally not worth worrying about, and when you get the vaccine they usually have you stay for the like 15 minutes after getting it so that in the very rare chance you *do* get serious side effects, they'll be able to treat it.

More common side effects? Your arm will hurt for a day or two. You'll feel like you have a cold or flu for a day or so, starting around 10 hours after the second dose (sometimes with a low grade fever, sometimes a higher one, but it goes away within a day). And then you'll be fine. Hell, some people get pretty bad side effects (high fever, chills, serious nausea), but after a day they're fine. Much much better than risking catching actual covid and potentially getting hospitalized and put on oxygen IMO. And even if you know you *had* covid, the extra protection provided by taking the vaccine is nothing to sneeze at.

Now, how much protection do the vaccines provide? It's unclear how well the vaccines actually prevents infection (and it'll vary with each variant that sprouts up), but what we *do* know is that they are effective in preventing serious illness, and areas with high vaccination rates have much fewer infections and much much fewer hospitalizations. Pfizer, as a baseline, appears to provide about a 96% protection against hospitalization when a breakthrough infection of the delta variant occurs (the more infectious variant that the vaccine wasn't even made for).

ALL of this data is open to the public. It's at the tips of my fingers on google. Most covid research papers are open access. Not to mention that even the Trump administration realized how serious this pandemic was going to be and paid for the vaccine so you don't have to pay out of pocket (it comes out of taxes, obviously, but it's a lot cheaper than hospitalizations).

EDIT: Oh yeah, speaking of hospitalizations, the cost them is ridiculous. Most insurance plans cover covid hospitalizations (I doubt will last forever, don't freak out if they decide to require vaccination before covering potential covid treatment costs), but the out of pocket costs before any covid-specific amnesty can be like $8000. Hell, even if the jab was $100 I'd still get that over risking such a large expense.

 

[jimbo13]

There are *always* risks involved with anything, so let's talk about them. Most covid related papers are open access. Here's a search term: "covid vaccine side effects papers." Hell, the CDC even keeps track of deaths in the US. 6340 deaths out of 342 million total doses given, 0.0019%, which is 3 orders of magnitude lower than the covid death rate of 1.8%. Some percentage of those vaccine deaths aren't even vaccine deaths since deaths with unclear causes after getting the vaccine must be reported to the tracker.

So, the risk of the vaccine is negligible. 0.0019% is practically a freak accident, and it's also overshooting the actual lower value. It's literally not worth worrying about, and when you get the vaccine they usually have you stay for the like 15 minutes after getting it so that in the very rare chance you *do* get serious side effects, they'll be able to treat it.

More common side effects? Your arm will hurt for a day or two. You'll feel like you have a cold or flu for a day or so, starting around 10 hours after the second dose (sometimes with a low grade fever, sometimes a higher one, but it goes away within a day). And then you'll be fine. Hell, some people get pretty bad side effects (high fever, chills, serious nausea), but after a day they're fine. Much much better than risking catching actual covid and potentially getting hospitalized and put on oxygen IMO. And even if you know you *had* covid, the extra protection provided by taking the vaccine is nothing to sneeze at.

Now, how much protection do the vaccines provide? It's unclear how well the vaccines actually prevents infection (and it'll vary with each variant that sprouts up), but what we *do* know is that they are effective in preventing serious illness, and areas with high vaccination rates have much fewer infections and much much fewer hospitalizations. Pfizer, as a baseline, appears to provide about a 96% protection against hospitalization when a breakthrough infection of the delta variant occurs (the more infectious variant that the vaccine wasn't even made for).

ALL of this data is open to the public. It's at the tips of my fingers on google. Most covid research papers are open access. Not to mention that even the Trump administration realized how serious this pandemic was going to be and paid for the vaccine so you don't have to pay out of pocket (it comes out of taxes, obviously, but it's a lot cheaper than hospitalizations).

EDIT: Oh yeah, speaking of hospitalizations, the cost them is ridiculous. Most insurance plans cover covid hospitalizations (I doubt will last forever, don't freak out if they decide to require vaccination before covering potential covid treatment costs), but the out of pocket costs before any covid-specific amnesty can be like $8000. Hell, even if the jab was $100 I'd still get that over risking such a large expense.

EDIT2: The 30% voting "no" in the thread poll are either uninformed, misinformed, brainwashed, or dumb. Two of those conditions are fixable. The other two, well, that's a bit more difficult.

Then they don't need blanket lawsuit immunity for 0.0019% the courts are perfectly capable of handling these freak incidents. Those who choose not to get the vaccine have the same information as everyone else and capable of making a decision that is appropriate for them. Behavior from leftist marxist dirt bags which you exhibit is more detrimental to society than Covid and I am not going to do anything to embolden or enable you.

 

[The Catboy]

Anyone on the anti-vax side presented any peer-reviewed evidence yet?

 

[KingVamp]

Forgot this.

Anecdotally, I personally know people who have hesitancy about the mRNA vaccines who got the J&J vaccine.

Ironically, while I didn't look it, base on how they work, the mRNA one is probably safer.

I also know people who hate shots and wanted something "one and done."

While I understand this notion, if I had the choice (and I did), I would get the more effective one, if I'm going be jabbed anyway.

 

[Alexander1970]

Anyone on the anti-vax side presented any peer-reviewed evidence yet?

Why anti-vax side ?

People,who do not like or do not want to get vaccinated are also Humans......

 

[The Catboy]

Why anti-vax side ?

People,who do not like or do not want to get vaccinated are also Humans......

Because there's actual peer-reviewed research and evidence on the pro-vaccine side. I understand that people who are against vaccines are still people but that doesn't mean they get a free pass for their dangerous beliefs. I respect the hell out of you and view you as a valuable member of this site, so I mean you no disrespect, but unfortunately, I do stand by the fact that the anti-vax movement is dangerous and based on misinformation. So I will continue to ask for evidence to be proven wrong and this evidence needs to be more than a handful of doctors/individuals with unbacked claims. If there is evidence against vaccines, then there should be evidence to back that up.

 

[jimbo13]

Because there's actual peer-reviewed research and evidence on the pro-vaccine side. I understand that people who are against vaccines are still people but that doesn't mean they get a free pass for their dangerous beliefs. I respect the hell out of you and view you as a valuable member of this site, so I mean you no disrespect, but unfortunately, I do stand by the fact that the anti-vax movement is dangerous and based on misinformation. So I will continue to ask for evidence to be proven wrong and this evidence needs to be more than a handful of doctors/individuals with unbacked claims. If there is evidence against vaccines, then there should be evidence to back that up.

What misinformation is that? You have no idea what information or criteria someone decides not to get vaccinated on, that is the problem with people thinking they know best for someone else.

 

[videogamefanatic]

... Behavior from leftist marxist dirt bags which you exhibit is more detrimental to society than Covid and I am not going to do anything to embolden or enable you.

So you're saying the left-sided behavior (me and other people calling out your bullshit, and I guess vaccine liability protection for the companies) is more detrimental to society than the death 612K people (in the US alone). Right.

You can sue the government over the liability protection if you're that worried about it, but them merely providing that protection doesn't mean the vaccine isn't safe

 

[Alexander1970]

You have no idea what information or criteria someone decides not to get vaccinated on, that is the problem with people thinking they know best for someone else.

*sigh* Yes,that is the "Point".....but the "Mainstream" will not or want not hear this "Criteria"....
It is sadly not enough,when we (the People who do not want or do not like the Vaccination) decided to still wear the Masks or go still to the Testing or authorized/approved "Self Tests".

NO,the Vaccination People do not want this !

"Vaccine them !! Best through their Brains,because the No Vaccination People are DUMB People !!"


Sounds to me very familiar to the 30/40 Years......but only for me.

 

[The Catboy]

What misinformation is that? You have no idea what information or criteria someone decides not to get vaccinated on, that is the problem with people thinking they know best for someone else.

The misinformation around vaccines and that it's safe to not get them. As well as trusting a lack of information about that comes from the anti-vax perspective. I am still going to ask, is there evidence to back up the anti-vax side and if so, why hasn't it been presented? Why aren't there any peer-reviewed research papers to back up any of the anti-vax beliefs?
There should be evidence to back up the anti-vax stance, considering how adamant people are about it, why hasn't anyone posted a single shred of creditable evidence?

 

[videogamefanatic]

If anyone wants to debate that covid vaccines aren't safe, these are pretty much the only stats you have to work with. It's not much. At all. In fact it's so little that it's not worth worrying about if you plan to take the vaccine.

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/adverse-events.html

"Anaphylaxis after COVID-19 vaccination is rare and has occurred in approximately 2 to 5 people per million vaccinated in the United States."
"Thrombosis with thrombocytopenia syndrome (TTS) after Johnson & Johnson’s Janssen (J&J/Janssen) COVID-19 vaccination is rare. As of July 26, 2021, more than 13 million doses of the J&J/Janssen COVID-19 Vaccine have been given in the United States. CDC and FDA identified 39 confirmed reports of people who got the J&J/Janssen COVID-19 Vaccine and later developed TTS."
"After more than 13 million J&J/Janssen COVID-19 Vaccine doses administered, there have been around 137 preliminary reports of GBS identified in VAERS as of July 22."
"As of July 26, 2021, VAERS has received 1,194 reports of myocarditis or pericarditis among people ages 30 and younger who received COVID-19 vaccine. Most cases have been reported after mRNA COVID-19 vaccination (Pfizer-BioNTech or Moderna), particularly in male adolescents and young adults. Through follow-up, including medical record reviews, CDC and FDA have confirmed 699 reports of myocarditis or pericarditis."
"Reports of death after COVID-19 vaccination are rare. More than 342 million doses of COVID-19 vaccines were administered in the United States from December 14, 2020, through July 26, 2021. During this time, VAERS received 6,340 reports of death (0.0019%) among people who received a COVID-19 vaccine."

Please realize that without the vaccine, your risk of catching, struggling with, and dying from covid is orders of magnitude higher than the risks from the vaccine itself.

 

[Alexander1970]

Please realize that without the vaccine,your risk of catching,struggling with,and dying from covid is orders of magnitude higher than the risks from the vaccine itself.

If you get Covid and have the real hard Symptoms:
THAT is 100 Percent true.

As is well known,long-term Consequences/Phenomena are not yet known.

 

[RAHelllord]

Trump himself has said on the CPAC rally (28th Feb if my math is correct) that the vaccine is safe, unpainful, and that everybody should get their shot. If it's good enough for your dear glorious leader it's good enough for you people, too.

If you get Covid and have the real hard Symptoms:
THAT is 100 Percent true.View attachment 271547

As is well known,long-term Consequences/Phenomena are not yet known.

There very likely won't be any because of how the mRNA vaccines work. Once the injected mRNA has been used up the only thing remaining are the natural antibodies your immune system has created. There are no other active parts in the vaccine, the rest is just there to keep the mRNA stable and pristine until it gets injected.

Compare this to the potential longterm effects of covid-19 that we already know about and you're comparing a vaccine that is predictably safe to something that is far less predictable.