Joe Biden is now officially the 46th President of the United States of America

[phalk]

Biden destroying the economy but at least Lacius does it for free lol

Are you ok bro? Your words make you look you're a bit sick in the brain.

 

[Valwinz]

They're running out of gas, Joe.

 

[Lacius]

They're running out of gas, Joe.

The Biden administration has responded fully and appropriately to the cyber attack and the possible gas shortage. Please articulate a single thing the Biden administration could do but hasn't.

 

[Valwinz]

The Biden administration has responded fully and appropriately to the cyber attack and the possible gas shortage. Please articulate a single thing the Biden administration could do but hasn't.

out of gas, Joe.
Failed to fetch tweet https://twitter.com/LoKeys910/status/1392201154554105858

 

[Lacius]

out of gas, Joe.
https://twitter.com/LoKeys910/status/1392201154554105858

Unsurprisingly, you don't seem able to answer my question.

You're out of gas, Valwinz.

 

[Xzi]

> Private oil conglomerate continues to use Windows 3.1 for their entire operation until they get hacked by Russians

Valwinz:

 

[tabzer]

Monthly job gains did not increase between when Obama left office and the pandemic. In fact, they went down slightly. There is nothing subjective about this or anything else I've said.

Acting as though I'm arguing anything other than objective numbers isn't going to work.

Mostly everything else. Specifically, your interpretation and sentimentalization. But maybe you aren't saying anything meaningful.

 

[Valwinz]

Unsurprisingly, you don't seem able to answer my question.

You're out of gas, Valwinz.

millions of Americans sit in gas lines

 

[Xzi]

millions of Americans sit in gas lines

Really makes you think about how tenuous our reliance on a single form of energy is, and how it's entirely controlled by tech illiterate, out-of-touch billionaires huh?

Or rather it would if you were capable of independent thought not spoon fed to you by alt-reich Twitter.

 

[Lacius]

Mostly everything else. Specifically, your interpretation and sentimentalization. But maybe you aren't saying anything meaningful.

Monthly job gains from 2008 to 2019. That giant dip you see is the Great Recession, which happened in large part because of deregulation that occurred under George W. Bush. That uptick you see around February-March of 2009 is the direct result of the Obama stimulus bill.

From then on, Republicans blocked further stimulus, and the monthly job gains remained relatively constant all the way until 2020. The policies of the administration after the Obama administration demonstrably had no meaningful effect on the economy.

Monthly job gains from 2008-2021. As you can see, the poor response to the pandemic from the last administration caused a recession much greater than anything seen in 2008. You can barely see 2008 on the graph.

To summarize, this is the Obama economy:

This is the economy of Obama's successor:

 

[tabzer]

Monthly job gains from 2008 to 2019. That giant dip you see is the Great Recession, which happened in large part because of deregulation that occurred under George W. Bush. That uptick you see around February-March of 2009 is the direct result of the Obama stimulus bill.
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From then on, Republicans blocked further stimulus, and the monthly job gains remained relatively constant all the way until 2020. The policies of the administration after the Obama administration demonstrably had no meaningful effect on the economy.

Monthly job gains from 2008-2021. As you can see, the poor response to the pandemic from the last administration caused a recession much greater than anything seen in 2008. You can barely see 2008 on the graph.
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To summarize, this is the Obama economy:
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This is the economy of Obama's successor:
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Choosing a single metric to paint bleak pictures is willful ignorance of all other variables and does not change the fact of record unemployment during the Trump administration.

Nor does it indicate that there is no meaning behind the graphs that you chart.

 

[Darth Meteos]

What exactly do you consider a "far right" party?
This keeps confusing the hell out of me as there's only two possible far right ideologies: Absolute Monarchy and Anarchism.
Yet every left-leaning voter uses "far right" to refer to fascism, which makes absolutely no sense at all considering fascism is a radical socialist ideology, fascism is far left, not far right.

Anarchism is the greatest expression of left-wing libertarianism, right-wing libertarianism's version is laissez faire.
On top of that, you're conflating the far-right with the extreme-right, which comes in many forms, predominantly in fascism today, but there is also feudalism, true laissez faire capitalism, and as you say, absolute monarchy.

As for your point that fascism is a socialist ideology, one of Hitler's first acts was to abolish unions, which are all but necessary to a socialist society. In Hitler's regime, the people never owned the means of production, it was solely controlled by the Nazi Party and their affiliates. It was not socialism, no matter what it called itself.

It's important to understand more about the subject of left-vs-right and not getting informed second-hand by partisans. At least read the Wikipedia page on it. It's the most basic research, and it will give you a broad understanding of what the world at large refers to as "Far-Right."

pretty anyone that they don't like is far right

Untrue. Third Way Democrats are center-right, and they're by far the dominant force in the Democratic Party right now.

 

[D34DL1N3R]

It's hilarious. I don't even care if it's a real photo.

And that is a very large part of the problem. People like yourself and Valwinz don't care whats real and what's not.

 

[Darth Meteos]

This is the economy of Obama's successor:
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From a left-wing perspective, these charts aren't great for portraying the state of the American citizen, or for accurately portraying what occurred in 2020. In these charts, a layperson would believe the economy boomed after a bit, but since the metric is "jobs added," it's misleading. Adding a job isn't relevant if it's a private sector job paying minimum wage, something that the chart is not equipped to explain, too. 2020 saw a wealth redistribution to the top of a magnitude unseen in the history of the United States, which is also not represented in a jobs chart.

Sorry, mate, but you can do better. This is a weak point that isn't a good response.

EDIT: Ah, I see you got mired in a quagmire, arguing a useless number against someone who'll never admit you're right. My point about the jobs number stands, but dear lord, Lacius, the state of the discourse

 

[Lacius]

From a left-wing perspective, these charts aren't great for portraying the state of the American citizen, or for accurately portraying what occurred in 2020. In these charts, a layperson would believe the economy boomed after a bit, but since the metric is "jobs added," it's misleading. Adding a job isn't relevant if it's a private sector job paying minimum wage, something that the chart is not equipped to explain, too. 2020 saw a wealth redistribution to the top of a magnitude unseen in the history of the United States, which is also not represented in a jobs chart.

Sorry, mate, but you can do better. This is a weak point that isn't a good response.

EDIT: Ah, I see you got mired in a quagmire, arguing a useless number against someone who'll never admit you're right. My point about the jobs number stands, but dear lord, Lacius, the state of the discourse

You and I are in agreement about underemployment, low wages, etc., but that wasn't the topic. The point was @tabzer wants to say the economy was good under the former administration, but the only part of the economy the former administration had anything substantive to do with was the post-pandemic economy.

Choosing a single metric to paint bleak pictures is willful ignorance of all other variables and does not change the fact of record unemployment during the Trump administration.

Nor does it indicate that there is no meaning behind the graphs that you chart.

Putting aside problems with the unemployment metric for a moment, when jobs are repeatedly being added each month, the unemployment number is going to go down. Saying "but unemployment numbers" doesn't contradict my point the way you think it does.

Also, you and I are in agreement about there being record unemployment numbers during the previous administration. It happened after the pandemic hit.

 

[Valwinz]

Like poetry Biden has taken us to the past

How it started How it's going pic.twitter.com/nFPI6DNWoD

— Jane Timken (@JaneTimkenOH) May 11, 2021

 

[tabzer]

arguing a useless number against someone who'll never admit you're right.

Are you saying I should just accept his useless number? I have admitted Lacius to being right, but he does that more than enough on everyone's behalf, so why bother? If we are talking character, there is also the point that he won't admit when he is wrong over a simple blunder after ridiculing other people over "simple math". (Ref: signature)

@tabzer wants to say the economy was good under the former administration

I don't know that, and that wasn't my point.

but the only part of the economy the former administration had anything substantive to do with was the post-pandemic economy.

That's, like, your opinion man. I'm just pointing out that you are willing to throw the working man under the bus if it means that you can give orange man an L.

 

[Moe87]

Long car lines aren't new and it has been around since oil crisis in 1973 so y'all can thanks to OPEC.

Baby boomers, silent generation and early Gen X remembered about what happened.

Oil price goes up and down at mainly pleasure of OPEC but there are factors could affect the price.

5 years prior to oil crisis in 1973, you likely to see Gulf, Chevron/Standard, Amoco, Sinclair, Pure/Union 76, ARCO, Philips 66, Esso/Enco, Texaco and Shell in all part of the US at that time, but not much anymore.

 

[omgcat]

huh, red states running out of gas. go figure i though CA would be out first according to the repubs who think California is Venezuela.

 

[tabzer]

And that is a very large part of the problem. People like yourself and Valwinz don't care whats real and what's not.

"People on the internet don't care about the things that I care about."

Not my problem.