Joe Biden is now officially the 46th President of the United States of America

[djpannda]

term "racist" for people is pretty strong, and that should be kept for nazis and klan members

thats like saying
" You should not seek treatment for a kid with sociopathic tendencies until he goings on a killing spree"
Sorry but I for one will not wait till they pop up with white sheets and gasoline before I call them a DUCK..

 

[smf]

i think the word racist is thrown around too much. you can say something racist or offensive of whatever but it doesn't immediately make you a shit person.

Sure, I specifically said it was a racist way of thinking and it absolutely is. Not saying it because I don't want to hurt someone's feelings because they don't want to be accused of racist thinking is dumb. Because it's asking for political correctness when he has no willingness to display political correctness himself.

i doubt that @Hanafuda believes in the inferiority of people of color but makes a strange point, that the crimes of a certain race makes everyone in it guilty. that's a racist point but i think that resect is a term "racist" for people is pretty strong, and that should be kept for nazis and klan members.

Except he is making the point that they are inferior and brings statistics along with it. Nazi's and klan members also think like that.

Racists are also the ones who don't realize why black people murder more. If white people were treated like black people are, then white people would behave in the same way. So you have people who not only support keeping their feet firmly pressed on the heads of black people to keep them down, but then punish them for it. Those people are 100% racists, they just can't handle the truth.

White supremacists are completely wrong, if we're going to get rid of anyone then it should be them.

 

[Xzi]

Except that at one point my mind was made up on your side of the fence on this. Their actions changed my mind (and that of a significant amount of others). Great job. Lol.

That's awfully shallow and fickle of you, but it's no skin off my back. Still shouldn't be legal under almost any circumstances to run over a protestor. That's both a violation of our first amendment rights, and a good way to normalize the use of vehicles as weapons.

Is that a common problem is it?

If they're killing people over twenty bucks in the modern day, in front of a crowd no less, it's not hard to imagine the kinds of murders they got away with pre-bodycam technology and with no one watching. Dave Chappelle's "sprinkle some crack on the bodies and let's get out of here" sketch comes to mind.

 

[Foxi4]

That's awfully shallow and fickle of you, but it's no skin off my back. Still shouldn't be legal under almost any circumstances to run over a protestor. That's both a violation of our first amendment rights, and a good way to normalize the use of vehicles as weapons.

Shallow and fickle in what way? IIRC, he lives (lived?) in Minneapolis. BLM shenanigans are not something he sees on the news, it's something he sees outside of his windows. The riots *directly* affect him - if anything would change one's mind, it'd be that.

If they're killing people over twenty bucks in the modern day, in front of a crowd no less, it's not hard to imagine the kinds of murders they got away with pre-bodycam technology and with no one watching. Dave Chappelle's "sprinkle some crack on the bodies and let's get out of here" sketch comes to mind.

Aren't you misrepresenting the arrest here? Floyd didn't "die over $20", he was restrained because he was resisting arrest and acting irrationally. Tragic either way, the guy was killed in the end, but to pretend that Chauvin rolled up to the store and executed him because he paid with a fake bill is lying through omission. Not that it matters now, the verdict is what the verdict is, but facts still matter.

 

[Xzi]

Shallow and fickle in what way? IIRC, he lives (lived?) in Minneapolis. BLM shenanigans are not something he sees on the news, it's something he sees outside of his windows. The riots *directly* affect him - if anything would change one's mind, it'd be that.

I won't speculate on his motivations, but from the outside looking in it's kind of a hipster move. "Oh look, all these people are out fighting for the same ideals I hold, time to switch sides so I can be in the minority again and whine about how this inconveniences me personally."

Aren't you misrepresenting the arrest here? Floyd didn't "die over $20", he was restrained because he was resisting arrest and acting irrationally.

Not at all, the man was cuffed and seated in the back of a police vehicle. They made the conscious decision to not close the door and instead pull him out of the vehicle. Then they made the conscious decision to put him on the ground behind the exhaust pipe and allow Chauvin to kill him. "Acting irrationally" is not a crime worthy of the death penalty any more than using a fake twenty dollar bill is.

 

[smf]

"Acting irrationally" is not a crime worthy of the death penalty any more than using a fake twenty dollar bill is.

But he was black and all people die in the end anyway, right?

We can imagine he had some health conditions too, to deflect any arguments in court. Whoops, looks like that doesn't work, but we can always try again at appeal (although appealing is like resisting, hypocrisy right there).

If you don't think black lives matter when police are killing black people, then you probably won't think black lives matter when it slightly inconveniences your more privileged life.

You know whats inconvenient? Having a police man put his knee on your neck and refuse to let anyone treat you medically, even after you have died. Where was a good man with a gun when you needed it?

Instead of allowing you to murder protesters maybe they should remove the risk of prosecution if you kill a police man who is kneeling on someones neck.

 

[Foxi4]

But he was black and all people die in the end anyway, right?

We can imagine he had some health conditions too, to deflect any arguments in court (whoops, looks like that doesn't work, but we can always try again at appeal).

If you don't think black lives matter when police are killing black people, then you probably won't think black lives matter when it slightly inconveniences your more privileged life.

You know whats inconvenient? Having a police man put his knee on your neck and refuse to let anyone treat you medically, even after you have died. Where was a good man with a gun when you needed it?

Instead of allowing you to murder protesters maybe they should remove the risk of prosecution if you kill a police man who is kneeling on someones neck.

That's a nice projection, but this has nothing to do with race. If I was being arrested and I was acting in the same manner as George Floyd did, I would fully expect to be subdued by force by the officer arresting me. Floyd's death is unfortunate, it shouldn't have happened, but it is the nature of half-truths that they're also half-lies. Floyd was subdued because of the manner in which he was behaving - erratic and suspicious. We all saw the same tapes, he was resisting arrest, which is why the arrest turned foul. By no means an excuse for killing the guy, but it's a relevant fact that shouldn't be omitted when discussing the issue.

 

[tabzer]

thats like saying
" You should not seek treatment for a kid with sociopathic tendencies until he goings on a killing spree"
Sorry but I for one will not wait till they pop up with white sheets and gasoline before I call them a DUCK..

Calling people "racist" is not a kind of treatment unless you are looking to abuse or accost a "potential" abuser.

It appears that black lives matter is a scam.

It also appears to be kind of ironic in light of Hanafuda's statistic.

Also seems that you are still being a thug.

appealing is like resisting, hypocrisy right there

Lol, no. That's not smart.

 

[Hanafuda]

That is a racist way of thinking.

Just because a black person murders someone, doesn't mean it's ok for the police to murder someone else who happens to be black.

But you obviously think it does. Looking up the stats means you put a lot of effort into your racism, you must get a lot of enjoyment out of it.

I think this is called putting words in someone else's mouth. I said no such thing as what you posted there.

 

[smf]

I think this is called putting words in someone else's mouth. I said no such thing as what you posted there.

So your argument isn't

'because more black men kill people than white men kill people, then white police should be able to kill black men & until the black men lower their rate to the same as white men then all black men deserve to be murdered by police'

Because it really sounded like it is your argument. Can you explain your thought process behind it...

Really? You'd think if people wanted to stop police from killing them, they'd stop committing murder at 4 times the rate of their demographic representation. (13% of population, 52% of homicide offenders).

As far as I know George Floyd never murdered anyone, it certainly hasn't come up on any of the news reports. Your argument appears to be that if he didn't want to be murdered then other black people should stop committing murder, thereby punishing him for his race and not his own actions.

You know who punish people for their race? racists....

How many of the 41.99 million black people in the US are murderers? Should they all be treated like murderers? Or should they have the same rights as any other US citizen, no matter what race?

 

[Hanafuda]

So your argument isn't

Nope. Not what I said, and you're full of shit.

"As far as I know, George Floyd never murdered anyone"

He came close though.
https://i.imgur.com/rIQlB81.jpg

"How many of the 41.99 million black people in the US are murderers?"

7 times as many per capita than whites.

Racists are also the ones who don't realize why black people murder more. If white people were treated like black people are, then white people would behave in the same way.

This is some rickidiculous shit right here. We're not talking about drug use, or petty theft, skipping out on child support. This is about MURDERING OTHER PEOPLE. It's indefensible. It's unjustifiable. It has nothing to do with racism (most victims of murder are the same race as the perpetrator). It's fucking MURDER, and you're trying to excuse it. Fuck off. We're done here.

 

[Valwinz]

the lesson

As far as I know George Floyd never murdered anyone,

No he likes to steal and point guns at women he was a good boy

 

[SG854]

Snip

 

[KingVamp]

"Acting irrationally" is not a crime worthy of the death penalty any more than using a fake twenty dollar bill is.

Apparently with protesting, that's now the case. Why stop there? Anyone that's being an inconvenient or irrational towards anyone deserves to be hit with a vehicle.

 

[Xzi]

Apparently with protesting, that's now the case. Why stop there? Anyone that's being a inconvenient or irrational towards anyone deserves to be hit with a vehicle.

I predict these laws will last right up until the moment a Republican gets hit during one of their little klan rallies, though perhaps they'll be a bit more apprehensive about staging those without the orange one in office.

 

[smf]

Nope. Not what I said, and you're full of shit.

Actually it is exactly what you said.

Really? You'd think if people wanted to stop police from killing them, they'd stop committing murder at 4 times the rate of their demographic representation. (13% of population, 52% of homicide offenders).

By people you mean any black people obviously, because none of them want to be killed by the police.

By "they'd" you mean all black people, as by using statistics of the entire black population you've lumped them all together.

Your objection is that the rate is 4 times higher than murders by white people.

So if any black people want to stop police from murdering them, then all black people need to reduce their murdering to acceptable white levels.

"You'd think if" means that once they achieve the same level as whites then it would be acceptable for black people to request not being killed by the police.

This is some rickidiculous shit right here. We're not talking about drug use, or petty theft, skipping out on child support. This is about MURDERING OTHER PEOPLE. It's indefensible. It's unjustifiable. It has nothing to do with racism (most victims of murder are the same race as the perpetrator). It's fucking MURDER, and you're trying to excuse it. Fuck off. We're done here.

Exactly it's unjustifiable for police to keep murdering black people and yet you're trying to excuse it.

I am not excusing anything, I am saying you should treat black and white murderers the same and black and white non murderers the same.

I asked for an alternate explanation and you refused, you side stepped answering the direct question whether all black people deserved to be treated as murderers and just gave this veiled racist view point.

7 times as many per capita than whites.

I gave you a very good chance, you have refused to give any non racist view of why you should treat anyone any differently just because they are black.

I guess it must be quite traumatic to be pointed out that your racist views are racist.

But don't blame me.

 

[KingVamp]

DC statehood passed the House.

 

[tabzer]

Actually it is exactly what you said.

Really? You'd think if people wanted to stop police from killing them, they'd stop committing murder at 4 times the rate of their demographic representation. (13% of population, 52% of homicide offenders).

By people you mean any black people obviously, because they are the ones that want to stop being killed.

By "they'd" you mean all black people, you've lumped them all together.

Your objection is that the rate is 4 times higher.

So if any black people want to stop police from murdering them, then all black people need to reduce their murdering to acceptable white levels that doesn't justify the police killing them.



Exactly it's unjustifiable for police to keep murdering black people and yet you're trying to excuse it. I am not excusing anything, I am saying you should treat black and white murderers the same and black and white non murderers the same. You are saying black people should be treated worse because of other black peoples actions.

I asked for an alternate explanation and you refused, you side stepped answering the direct question whether all black people deserved to be treated as murderers and just gave this veiled racist view point.

7 times as many per capita than whites.

I gave you a very good chance, you have refused to give any non racist view of why you should treat anyone any differently just because they are black.

I guess it must be quite traumatic to be pointed out that your racist views are racist.

Not believing in the authenticity or sincerity of a message is not the same as rationalizing murder. You want to talk about "black people", and then you are going to call someone racist by sharing statistics on said "black people".

Considering what we actually know about the movement and its organizers, it seems like black lives don't actually matter to them. It's a scam, like Bernie Sanders.

 

[Foxi4]

DC statehood passed the House.

It's not going to pass the Senate, so who cares. The only scenario in which this vote farming strategy succeeds is if the Democrats change the rules yet again. Is it stands, it's nothing more than a "look, we're totally doing things" waste of time.

 

[smf]

Not believing in the authenticity or sincerity of a message is not the same as rationalizing murder.

What does that mean? His view is that he is surprised that black people want to stop being murdered, because of all the murdering black people do. He seems to be perfectly happy with the police murdering black people.

You want to talk about "black people", and then you are going to call someone racist by sharing statistics on said "black people".

No, I'm calling out someone using statistics for racist reasons. It's kinda hard to discuss that use, without referring to black people.

Considering what we actually know about the movement and its organizers, it seems like black lives don't actually matter to them. It's a scam, like Bernie Sanders.

The BLM movement and "black people who don't want to be murdered" are two entirely different things.

You shouldn't judge all black people for anything that any individual or organisation does, you're thinking in racist terms too now.

You seem unable to comprehend that both black lives matter, but also black people can still kill black people. White people murder other white people, are you saying that white lives don't matter?