1. Xzi

    Xzi GBAtemp's Resident Plok Expert
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    Well I'm glad we could clear that up. The situation called for patience and observation from a distance, which is why I'm glad state leadership doesn't call you for advice. Any early show of aggression from police would've made the situation ten times worse.

    I don't support autonomous zones, at least not the way they were structured this last go around. Ultimately what I do or don't support is irrelevant though, my only point was that maybe cops shouldn't be pushing certain communities so deep into desperation that declaring autonomy becomes the more appealing option regardless of consequences.

    I figured you were smart enough to put two and two together on your own. Sure, a small number of those shootings are justified, but even the most obvious of criminal suspects is meant to face justice by trial. Not be gunned down by people who have deemed themselves judge, jury, and executioner.
     
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    Just. Stop. Want to know what's obvious? That you've never personally lived through it on a regular enough basis. We're not talking about a 10 minute spill over into the street and you know it. When something has happened like. I dunno, missing the birth of your child because these ass hats want to think they own the roads and block trains, then get back to me. It has ZERO to do with apathy, whatsoever. Do you know what them protesting in this manner accomplishes? More people getting PISSED OFF at them, rather than get their message across. There's nothing you can say that will get me to accept that type of behavior. I've lived through it face to face on multiple occasions. I lived in Murderapolis for over 20 years and have seen it all. I could look back at the thread but can you just tell me... are you okay with protesters rioting, looting, starting fires, destroying businesses, etc?

    What the hell are YOU talking about? I seriously have to tell you a 3rd time that it's not a news story? So why act like I was posting a news story? You make zero sense. You sure like to continue on and on about one single "stupid video", but are completely silent about the meme and Twitter post masters because they offer the same viewpoints as yourself. Extremely hypocritical. Period. Annnnnnnnnnnnnd, post something some of you might read??? That's a good one. Shoved your own foot right down your throat. Do you realize how incredibly stupid your comment sounds given the fact you had to literally read my posts in order to react and reply to them? But. Okay? If you're not reading, feel free to stop replying. I mean. Yeah.:lol::lol::lol:
     
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    "When you've got real experience like (HYPOTHETICAL ANECDOTE) then get back to me." Yeah okay Mr. Worldly. :rolleyes:

    Pissed off is a start, even if they aren't pissed off at the right things at first.

    Am I okay with it? No. Is it a wholly expected outcome of and reaction to police killing people over twenty bucks? Yes. The Chauvin trial shows us that it takes almost the entire world protesting before we can expect justice to be served against just one US police officer. That's not the fault of any individual American, but neither should the individual hold any delusions that they "deserve" to never be inconvenienced by societal unrest.
     
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    So what exactly is wrong with using an example to show my point in the matter? I see nothing wrong with it whatsoever, incredibly common practice. Also zero idea where the worldly comment came from. It doesn't even make sense. I stated I lived in Minneapolis for over 20 years and experienced protesters preventing me (and tons of other people) from going to where they needed to be, many times over & that it's obvious that you have not. Worldly? That was just a weird comment to make. I mentioned Minneapolis, not that I was on an African safari and then buying keychains at the Tower of Pisa souvenir shop. So shrug on that one, bud.

    So people being pissed off at protesters is something that is furthering the protesters cause in a positive manner? Ummmm. What?!?!?! No. It makes people think "Fuck these people and fuck their cause". Why protest in a completely counter productive way? It makes zero sense whatsoever. Sorry, but you're talking completely out of your ass when it comes to this matter.

    The rest of you post is good. lol
     
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    I was mocking you for using a hypothetical anecdote to question my real-world experience. I've participated in and been held up by plenty of protests, I live in a medium-sized city myself.

    In a roundabout way. It raises awareness of the issue and gets people to think about it, not until much later on in some cases. If your mind was already made up then you aren't the target audience.
     
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    Sorry the I've just responded to underline what the other person was saying is an excuse - when you offered no clarification, no external link, just your personal opinion, from which you are now retracting from - because essentially you were pulling people in here away from using conventional news media.

    And thats not even adressing the point that you misrepresented the story you where peddling to the point where you promoted a lie (over generalization, and overinterpretation that ended in "all CNN reporting isnt to be trusted").

    I suggest, that if you want to move more people into the direction to not trust CNN on _anything_ anymore - you take your opinions and never return to the politics subforum ever. Take your extremists, oversimplified views, and dump them somewhere else.

    Dont influence younger people in here with that crap.

    If you dont know better, thats one thing - but we are clashing repeatedly, because of what you are doing in here witch borders on creating extremists, peddling lies.

    Or what function does leading people away from normal news sources serve in your world.

    This is the third time we clash on this, start taking personal responsibility - deflecting doesnt solve the issue here.

    I dont have the option to 'just ignore' - because unlike you I actually care what kind of rolemodels are available to people in here (especially the ones - sporting a moderator tag). If its just wanting to part take in the discussion here with your personal views - shed the moderator badge use a normal user account - and we will certainly but heads less often, but that you interject yourself into discussions lending credence to "haha, CNN isnt a source you could post" flaming, by posting s*t like "all of their reporting should basically be seen as propaganda", and doing so in a moderator role - needs someone to stop you in your tracks, asking "what the frack are you doing"?


    Oh, and btw - this was the source you were "promoting people to use" instead of CNN:
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Veritas


    So here is the gag of your operation. Create doubt in peoples minds. Move them as far away from news reporting as possible. Dont explain to them the pressures and inherent biases to be expected as part of the news ecosystem - no instead refer them to the story of a mediacal journalist on CNN talking about their news coverage on one russia related story -- then extend that characterization to their reporting in general (all of it, even the written reporting on the government releasing statistics) then lie, that that journalist stated, that "basically" all of CNNs reporting was is "creating propaganda". He didnt say that (he criticize their handling of one story). You did.

    All the while moving people away from normal reporting on something as mundane as statistics, moving them into "the sensationalist uncover journalism of blogs is where its at" - not mentioning, that you are promoting the use of a far right activist outfit, that has been caught in the past peddling disinformation.

    What, I shut up?

    Then I explain the pressures and informal relationships of journalism with people in political circles, as well as legal pressures (national security) and journalists usually being fed exclusive stories (or "PR- leaks" as known the videogame world for no reason), if they are reporting in the interest of the entity they are reporting on -- which might lead to them reporting very uncritically on someone seen as "a national political opponent" in the case of proclaimed russian influence on domestic US politics. Added - to counteract that, you also read foreign reporting. (Basically telling people to make their news diet broader, instead of 'more narrow'.)

    And your response becomes - "we warned you, and you never learn"?

    Sorry?
     
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    Yeah, I'm not reading all that. Like I said, I won't be engaging in a debate with you. I don't know what your issue is and I'm not qualified to make that determination. I also don't know where you're getting all this nonsense about my supposed motivation and I'm not interested in it, or any suggestions you might have. @Valwinz mentioned a video, other people were unaware of it, I clarified what the contents of the video were, the end. I'm afraid that we won't be having a conversation about this because I take no pleasure in talking to you. If you're feeling lonely, you'll have to find somebody else to talk to, I've already signified that I have no interest in conversing with you whatsoever.
     
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    You moved people towards a source, that is directly financed by -- ah, read it yourself..

    src: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_Veritas

    You moved children (presumable) into a space, where they should never trust CNN even on basic news reporting, like statistics the border agency releases - because of their "over critical reporting" of affiliations of the presidents campaign with known russian operatives.

    Based on the opinion of a CNN medical reporter, who said, that their reporting on this topic would have been biased - out of which you and you alone constructed - YOU CANT TRUST CNN ON ANYTHING.

    As a f*cking alternative for people to get their "Truth" from, you edged them towards Project Veritas, a far right activist organisation, directly sponsored by the Donald J. Trump Foundation, with links to the Trump administration. Who gets yearly financing of one million USD directly from right wing political organisations, and who are infiltrating the teachers union in their free time. To produce scandalist reporting.

    Now you dont want to read what you've done here?

    You dont even know what news is. You don't even have an effing notion for why an independant (mostly public, or ad financed) entity is needed in public communication. You would effing move users in here, including childred directly into the PR arms of party organizations and pressure groups who effing pay out of their slushfunds to get a certain kinds of reporting produced.

    But you tell people, that CNN is propaganda and PR?

    That you "don't read that" is probably the truest thing you've uttered in three postings.

    You are showing more than gross neglect on part of your duties as a person holding a public function in here. The moderator most active in the gbatemp political subforum is playing an active role in leading people straight into far right news ecosystems -

    and then hiding behind "what we told you to do - which essentially was never to criticise us in our decisions" to f*cking get his critics removed from the platform with power politcs.

    THIS is gbatemp, and its moderators, leading children into far right extremist thoughtbubbles, for the better part of five years now.

    And if people are confronting you - your reposte becomes "you have a behavioral issue - better ban you now, because warning you on that attitude, didnt take...".

    Dont you ever try to pull stuff like that off again - that you have not the slightest concern about you actions on young people, has been undoubtedly expressed by now - but if you are then moving into a personal slugfest, abusing moderator priveledges with people that confront you on your actions touting the chance of banning someone for doing so - as your primary defense in front of you -- you have lost all respect from me on the human level. Forget politcal opinion.

    This is not the first time you try to pull this, this is the third time - and I have all the warning points to prove it, personally administered by you.

    So emotionally speaking - leave, and dont you dare ever trying to move more young people into far right, privately financed, politically motivated misinformation again.

    Take an effing clue.


    edit: And for everyone else in here -

    If an organization is called "Project Truth", and almost exclusively financed by political precursor organisations in the the background - run. This is not democracy. This is not journalism.

    This is producing thought opposition, activism, scorched earth ("never trust CNN") - leading people away from actual reporting and into PR operations, full force. Thats not normal. Thats not healthy for a democracy.

    To promote that is not a normal stance to take for any adult in any western democratic system. So get over your 'its so edgy, and the people doing it are promoting such a manly aura of power' and get a grips on that it is only there for a reason, and that someone is paying for it. And it isnt you. Its political organizations in the far right spectrum.

    And then try to understand that those are the people trying to undermine you trusting 'conventional' journalism.

    (Put a moderator tag on them - put them in control of a forum targeting minors and the videogames they like? Perfect?

    Political recruitment for a next generation paid for. No - literally payed for. Oh, Project Truth has such a broad reach...)
     
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    I'm here @notimp, why don't you respond to me?


    I asked a question about how you deal with news media reporting propaganda.

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    -And that was after body cam footage was released showing the cop stopping the girl from stabbing someone.
     
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    I didn't tell anyone to do anything. Since I don't feel inclined to deal with you, I've reported your post to inform senior staff that you're spilling spaghetti over the pol section again, they can decide what to do with this reply chain, your persecution complex and your wild imagination. I'm afraid that you're in no position to dictate who gets to use the subforum and who has to leave - I'm entitled to participate in any discussion I want, your backseat modding is not needed. You're the one who mentioned that you're 2 warns away from getting banned, not me.
     
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    If it's not begging people to watch Noam Chomsky's animated corpse it's pearl clutching over the propaganda arm of the US empire.
     
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    I personally like Noam Chomsky.
     
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    He's a fantastic (a genius, in fact) linguist, but not my favourite political commentator. His ideas on how a society should function are a little bit out of left field. I misspoke, they're so far off the field they're half-way to the Moon - anarcho-syndicalism is a great Monty Python sketch, but that's about it.
     
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    Idealism and practice are realities apart.

    — Posts automatically merged - Please don't double post! —

    My favorite old (dead person) is Alan Watts probably.
     
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    Except that at one point my mind was made up on your side of the fence on this. Their actions changed my mind (and that of a significant amount of others). Great job. Lol. I'm personally likely to take notice & interest in actual peaceful protests to see what their cause for protesting is. Intentionally blocking roadways and train tracks is not peaceful. It's intentionally causing and looking for trouble.

    You writing things off as 10 minute spillovers into the street tells me you've never actually experienced anything on a greater level, and most likely on an even smaller than 10 minute level.
     
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    according to BLM that some here love so much, Biden is worst than Trump
     
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    Is that a common problem is it?
    I quite often follow such things. For the most part I would say it is the inversion of yours in that only a small number are unjustified, and that usually followed by sanctions. Plenty to talk about as far as tactics (too much of what I see would get you flunked out of basic training in most serious militaries, never mind proper door kickers) usually but as far as those being gunned down I rarely see Judge Dread characters doing that as much as those posing a serious immediate threat to the officer and/or others being given usually a few chances to pack it in (more than I might have were I in the situation) and then dropped.
    There is much to talk about as far as US justice (civil asset forfeiture, the whole culture of fines, the things where they yank driving licenses for reasons other than driving offences or medical reasons) but police playing cowboys and indians is not really one of them.
     
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    That is a racist way of thinking.

    Just because a black person murders someone, doesn't mean it's ok for the police to murder someone else who happens to be black.

    But you obviously think it does. Looking up the stats means you put a lot of effort into your racism, you must get a lot of enjoyment out of it.
     
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    jesus this thread is bad

    i think the word racist is thrown around too much. you can say something racist or offensive of whatever but it doesn't immediately make you a shit person. i doubt that @Hanafuda believes in the inferiority of people of color but makes a strange point, that the crimes of a certain race makes everyone in it guilty. that's a racist point but i think that resect is a term "racist" for people is pretty strong, and that should be kept for nazis and klan members.

    also, the contrast of mood on this website is insane. we go from happy blog posts about our dogs and consoles to this thread.
     
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    Welcome to the Thunderdome, scrub - I hope you're wearing two condoms because around here you need all the protection you can get.
     
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