Some Dr.Seuss books taken down

[Seliph]

see my post #70 thats my point, they all portray guys like this, but nobody cares since it is an art style and not actuall ysaying all white man are fat ugly guys

First of all not all white men are portrayed like that but second of all you need to understand context. There is a clear difference between depictions of Asian and Black people based on propaganda designed by white people to dehumanize them and depictions of a white guy drawn by a white guy. White people were never at the butt end of Jim Crow or Yellow Peril.

Anti-black caricatures were developed during jim crow to otherize black people and justify segregation, anti-Asian caricatures were developed during WW2 and the Yellow Peril to dehumanize Asian people and justify Japanese internment camps and deportation/mistreatment of Chinese immigrants. The caricature of a white guy you gave me was literally just a boomer comic designed by a white guy to make bad commentary about younger generations, entirely different.

Like I said earlier, just because it's a caricature doesn't make it racist. You need to understand the intent behind a caricature and you need to understand who is designing the caricature. I see nothing racist about a white dude designing a caricature of a white dude for his lame boomer comic. I see everything racist about Black and Asian caricatures based on propaganda designed by white people to demonize non-white people.

 

[Louse]

^^^ Agreed.

That comic isn't even really a good representation of the stereotypes of white people. It's not as much a 'white' caricature, as it is a parody of the cultural divide between generations. The implication is that the age difference and the wisdom that such age brings is the difference between these two parties.

 

[Seliph]

There really isn't such a thing as racist caricatures against white people anyways. Looking up "racist caricature of a white person" makes this pretty evident because all you see is caricatures of non-white people instead.

This is because these caricatures were all designed by the white hegemony to justify many things. Slavery, Jim Crow, the genocide and rezoning of indigenous people, the deportation and mistreatment of Chinese workers, the internment of Japanese citizens, the list goes on and on. If you can dehumanize another group of people, if you can convince the majority of your populace to think of other races/ethnicities as less than yourself then you can justify as many atrocities against them as you want. That's how the holocaust happened, that's how apartheid happened in South Africa.

This is why you don't see caricatures of white people because there's no need for them. Specifically in the context of the US (where most of these caricatures were developed), we have lived in a nation run by white people for white people, designing anti-white caricatures would be counterintuitive to that and therefore it makes sense why they wouldn't be designed. It's not like we're gonna commit atrocities against ourselves.

TLDR: caricatures of white people aren't racist because racist caricatures of white people do not exist since there was never a need for their creation.

 

[Louse]

this thread makes me sad

 

[Windaga]

We had our first discussion about this during our Dept. of Education meeting this past Friday.

It was a shit storm. I thought Betsy DeVos' election made enemies among teachers. I saw grown adults arguing like children about something that should be kind of obvious.

"YOU SNOWFLAKES ARE TRYING TO CHANGE EVERYTHING WHATS NEXT INDIAN BURNS??"

"JUST BECAUSE YOU GREW UP WITH IT DOESNT MAKE IT RIGHT"

"YOU'RE SO SENSTITIVE"

"OR MAYBE YOU'RE INSENSITIVE, EVER THINK ABOUT THAT?"

"....guys erm, we need to go over the budget for Q2..."

"YOU LIBERALS ARE OFFENDED BY EVERYTHING. CAT IN THE HAT IS NOT RACIST"

"WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT CAT IN THE HAT"

"FIRST ITS LAND O LAKES..."

"WHY ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT BUTTER"

It was supposed to be an hour meeting. We have to hold it again this Friday because literally nothing got done. We would've ignored it and moved on, but considering it was the Head of State and the Lead Dean, every interruption was met with "WE'RE NOT DONE."

So how was everyone else's weekend

 

[Seliph]

We had our first discussion about this during our Dept. of Education meeting this past Friday.

It was a shit storm. I thought Betsy DeVos' election made enemies among teachers. I saw grown adults arguing like children about something that should be kind of obvious.

"YOU SNOWFLAKES ARE TRYING TO CHANGE EVERYTHING WHATS NEXT INDIAN BURNS??"

"JUST BECAUSE YOU GREW UP WITH IT DOESNT MAKE IT RIGHT"

"YOU'RE SO SENSTITIVE"

"OR MAYBE YOU'RE INSENSITIVE, EVER THINK ABOUT THAT?"

"....guys erm, we need to go over the budget for Q2..."

"YOU LIBERALS ARE OFFENDED BY EVERYTHING. CAT IN THE HAT IS NOT RACIST"

"WE'RE NOT TALKING ABOUT CAT IN THE HAT"

"FIRST ITS LAND O LAKES..."

"WHY ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT BUTTER"

It was supposed to be an hour meeting. We have to hold it again this Friday because literally nothing got done. We would've ignored it and moved on, but considering it was the Head of State and the Lead Dean, every interruption was met with "WE'RE NOT DONE."

So how was everyone else's weekend

Lmao that's why I hate discussions about stuff like this because they're always just used to divert from real problems that need to be addressed. Plus they're just annoying.

Anyways I had a lovely weekend

 

[Louse]

Anyways I had a lovely weekend

What did you do?

 

[Julie_Pilgrim]

So how was everyone else's weekend

Decent, I was off of the temp for a lot of it, and a break from here was really what I needed

 

[Seliph]

What did you do?

Nothing much really, just went to work on Saturday and took care of myself on Sunday by taking a nice long shower and I played The Messenger and read about Soviet city planning as well after cooking some good food. Not very interesting but relaxing!

 

[AncientBoi]

Me being the oldest, didn't see any racism in it. I think it's more of the people reading to much into the these Iconic books. such a shame.

 

[Louse]

such a shame.

Times change, now it's bad for business. That's all it really is.
I hope for a revised version for kids, as well as the preservation of the original art for historical and critical reasons.

Love seuss's works, but he was like hella racist tho

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I suppose you find a lot of these kinda things in old art, like in Lovecraft's works and the like (key example: cat).
Difference being, the audience is, on average, more mature than the demographic that Seuss Inc. is shootin' for.

 

[Julie_Pilgrim]

old art, like in Lovecraft's works and the like (key example: cat).

To be more specific, his cat's name

 

[Seliph]

(key example: cat)

He had a cat? What was its name?

 

[Julie_Pilgrim]

He had a cat? What was its name?

Well..uhhhh

 

[Seliph]

Well..uhhhh

I can't find it anywhere could you tell me please I need to know

 

[Louse]

No, don't do it Scott!
You don't know what you're messing with!

 

[Seliph]

Say it Scott

say it now

 

[Julie_Pilgrim]

Say it Scott

say it now

Ni-(user was banned for this post)

 

[Seliph]

Ni-(user was banned for this post)

Oh god oh fuck

 

[Louse]

First name: N-word, last name: man
he's the be-loved cat of the Lovecraft clan