Joe Biden is now officially the 46th President of the United States of America

[Foxi4]

There were 29 reported dead in Norway after taking the vaccine.

And 544 reported dead from the virus. One of those numbers is bigger than the other, assuming you're correct. If I were in a high risk group, I would 100% err on the side of caution and take the vaccine developed by medical professionals over crossing my fingers and burying myself underground for the next year or two. Thankfully my chances of catching it are low, let alone dying from it, so I have the luxury of being able to wait for my turn, once the vaccine is more wide-spread and available to the general public.

 

[Lacius]

Yeah, you can shut it.

It would be irresponsible for me to let you peddle anti-vaccination nonsense.

 

[tabzer]

And 544 reported dead from the virus. One of those numbers is bigger than the other, assuming you're correct. If I were in a high risk group, I would 100% err on the side of caution and take the vaccine developed by medical professionals over crossing my fingers or burying myself underground for the next year or two. Thankfully my chances of catching it are low, let alone dying from it, so I have the luxury of being able to wait for my turn, once the vaccine is more wide-spread and available to the general public.

I just wonder what caused such a spike. Is it a genetic think that wasn't considered in the formulation, allergy, or a bad batch, idk. But the news had made its round here, and have had people remaining skeptical about the genuineness of the vaccine.

 

[Foxi4]

It would be irresponsible for me to let you peddle anti-vaccination nonsense.

The only possible side effect I've read about so far was temporary Bell's Palsy, and that was limited to the Pfizer vaccine and unconfirmed to be caused by the vaccine. Anti-vax nonsense is not acceptable - if there are any scientifically proven side effects then such claims must be substantiated with relevant studies.

I just wonder what caused such a spike. Is it a genetic think that wasn't considered in the formulation, allergy, or a bad batch, idk. But the news had made its round here, and have had people remaining skeptical about the genuineness of the vaccine.

Or coincidence, since the number is incredibly low. Claims like this must be substantiated, otherwise you're just guessing. If I take the vaccine and have a car accident later, that's not the vaccine's fault. You have to consider externalities, a lot of the patients taking it are already old.

 

[Cryoraptor]

Side not, people in Japan are wary of the vaccine because of news regarding adverse effects of the said vaccine.

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There were 29 reported dead in Norway after taking the vaccine.

So they had the vaccine and dropped dead?

 

[tabzer]

The only possible side effect I've read about so far was temporary Bell's Palsy, and that was limited to the Pfizer vaccine and unconfirmed to be caused by the vaccine. Anti-vax nonsense is not acceptable - if there are any scientifically proven side effects then such claims must be substantiated with relevant studies.

Or coincidence, since the number is incredibly low. Claims like this must be substantiated, otherwise you're just guessing. If I take the vaccine and have a car accident later, that's not the vaccine's fault. You have to consider externalities, a lot of the patients taking it are already old.

Yeah, you are right that the context is scrutinized... At least more so in the West:

https://mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSKBN29P2R1

People here talk, socially, at work and such. I'm just sharing what I was on the reception end of things. I've already accepted the fact that I may get Covid and will have to self-isolate.

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So they had the vaccine and dropped dead?

"Haha". Ok. Yes, that's how it sounded. It seemed like a freak anomoly, and there is no reason why it wouldn't scare people here.

 

[Deleted User]

One thing I do respect is the fact that the new Government admitted the current Vaccines don't affect the new Mutations.
That is a no-brainer and it would be insulting to be told otherwise.

They then went one step further to explain that even with the Mutations, current-gen Vaccines will help buffer the population.
That makes perfect sense and is the type of reassuring Government response I'd expect from people who know their Fields.

 

[tabzer]

One thing I do respect is the fact that the new Government admitted the current Vaccines don't affect the new Mutations.
That is a no-brainer and it would be insulting to be told otherwise.

What do you mean? Please risk insulting me and explaining.

 

[Deleted User]

What do you mean? Please risk insulting me and explaining.

There's no intention to insult you in any way with this; it would insult my intelligence if they purported the current-gen Vaccine is a one-size-fits-all solution to a problem it wasn't designed for.

The Vaccine was created to cater to the Strain that was used to develop it, so newer strains aren't factored into its efficacy because, how could they.

Even with the fact that Mutations is a commonplace occurrence, they would not be able to predict which Strain would develop over the masses, so creating any sort of medication is always after-the-fact; that is the given that would be insulting to not be acknowledged.

So with the current Vaccine rollout, the Government acknowledged that Mutations aren't part of the consideration but even without it, if people take the current-gen there would enough of a buffer for COVID-19 to not spread as fast, and possibly Herd Immunity.

I would assume the current Pharmaceutical companies would be incentivised to create for the new Mutations for future releases, because money, so we'll definitely be looking at newer version augmenting the current supply.

 

[tabzer]

So the "good" vaccination will be evolving, hopefully, as rapidly as the Covid strains?

I wonder if we will start seeing cases where people are overlapping their inoculations to keep with the trend.

 

[Deleted User]

So the "good" vaccination will be evolving, hopefully, as rapidly as the Covid strains?

Your observation is the eventuality that should've been told up-front.

Frankly, it's surprising that most Western Media are acting like it's the first time they've heard of Mutations - did nobody finish High-School Biology. The first two years will definitely be about Vaccination rollout and the Mutation, and somewhere towards the end of the Term will be realistic efforts to find Medicine.

The eventuality of this will probably end up looking like Flu Medication, where people go to their pharmacists for Pills to take for COVID-19 rather than line up for Vaccination; I don't doubt future generations will see COVID-19 as commonplace like we see the Flu now.

I hope that the patronising of the general public will stop with the new year and Government.

 

[scroeffie1984]

joe biden is not the president of amerika ,dont be angry at me this is commen sense

 

[Cryoraptor]

I'm starting to think Tabzer and a few others could be Russian trolls... The Russians are fucking everywhere trying to destabilise the west. Just look at Daily Mail or Sky News comments on YouTube.

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joe biden is not the president of amerika ,dont be angry at me this is commen sense

Please tell me this is a troll

 

[Deleted User]

... Abort mission, Comrade.

 

[D34DL1N3R]

People here talk, socially, at work and such.

Ummmmmm. Lmfao. And they don't anywhere else? Regardless, you just said "Oh... I hear gossip and rumors and stuff from others when I'm eavesdropping at work, which I automatically take as fact, unless someone proves me wrong."

 

[tabzer]

I'm starting to think Tabzer and a few others could be Russian trolls... The Russians are fucking everywhere trying to destabilise the west. Just look at Daily Mail or Sky News comments on YouTube.

If I am destabilizing you then you should not be hanging out on the internet.

 

[Lacius]

One thing I do respect is the fact that the new Government admitted the current Vaccines don't affect the new Mutations.
That is a no-brainer and it would be insulting to be told otherwise.

They then went one step further to explain that even with the Mutations, current-gen Vaccines will help buffer the population.
That makes perfect sense and is the type of reassuring Government response I'd expect from people who know their Fields.

The vaccines may be less effective against the new COVID-19 strains, but that doesn't mean the vaccines "don't affect" them.

 

[Deleted User]

The vaccines may be less effective against the new COVID-19 strains, but that doesn't mean the vaccines "don't affect" them.

That is a valid point, because at this stage nobody can be sure.

I was referring to the original Press Conference statement, which I do support.
While it's nice to be optimistic, it's nicer to have the lead Scientists be pragmatic and prepare for the worst outcome.

Prepare for the worst, hope for the best is the motto I live by so this approach of engaging the public works for me.

 

[Lacius]

That is a valid point, because at this stage nobody can be sure.

I was referring to the original Press Conference statement, which I do support.
While it's nice to be optimistic, it's nicer to have the lead Scientists be pragmatic and prepare for the worst outcome.

Prepare for the worst, hope for the best is the motto I live by so this approach of engaging the public works for me.

We have in vitro studies that show the vaccines are still effective against at least some of the new strains. If they are less effective against the new strains, that's all the more reason to vaccinate as many people possible as soon as possible, in order to mitigate the spread of these new strains.

In other words, if the vaccine offers 60% protection instead of 95%, for example, we need to get that vaccine in as many people as possible as soon as possible to reduce the number of likely disease vectors and reduce the odds of coming into contact with the new strains. It would result in an exponential decline in new strain cases.

 

[Deleted User]

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We're not at a disagreement here; Vaccination is the best solution until Medicine can be found.

The only issues I have are with MRNA Vaccination and how slow the information to the public has become, even from the Media who supposedly aren't biased and are working to empower the people.

That said, I'm starting to repeat myself, which isn't particularly useful.