Covid-19 vaccine

[Lacius]

there is no one reason, it's a mix of many things. The biggest reason is things spiraled out of control and we couldn't stop the virus before it spread in communities. There are strategies we can use to try to mitigate spread but the only thing that will stop it at this point is a vaccine or herd immunity.

And herd immunity will likely result in hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of excess deaths.

 

[Apathetic_Discord]

Noticed a few references to the lady who "passed out after getting the vaccine."

Think I'll just leave this here...

 

[UltraSUPRA]

And herd immunity will likely result in hundreds of thousands, if not millions, of excess deaths.

Herd immunity is the easiest method, the quickest method, and it solves the alleged issue of overpopulation.

 

[x65943]

Herd immunity is the easiest method, the quickest method, and it solves the alleged issue of overpopulation.

so you think herd immunity is good because it will kill humans? In case you didn't know overpopulation is not a problem in the USA.

 

[UltraSUPRA]

so you think herd immunity is good because it will kill humans? In case you didn't know overpopulation is not a problem in the USA.

No, I don't think it's a good idea to kill people. However, freedom is more important than life, and I want my freedom back.

 

[x65943]

No, I don't think it's a good idea to kill people. However, freedom is more important than life, and I want my freedom back.

without life there is nothing, not even freedom

 

[ut2k4master]

No, I don't think it's a good idea to kill people. However, freedom is more important than life, and I want my freedom back.

what are you gonna do with all that freedom when youre dead?

 

[UltraSUPRA]

without life there is nothing, not even freedom

what are you gonna do with all that freedom when youre dead?

Ever heard of Heaven?

 

[ut2k4master]

Ever heard of Heaven?

yes, but what does that fairy tale have anything to do with the question?

 

[Lacius]

No, I don't think it's a good idea to kill people. However, freedom is more important than life, and I want my freedom back.

1. Hundreds of thousands of people, if not millions of people, (myself included) want their loved ones back. But they can't get them back because of assholes like you.
2. Your freedoms have not been encumbered. If anything, you've been given too much freedom with regard to spouting nonsense on this site that objectively causes harm. In my opinion, you should be banned, and that fact that you haven't been banned (as well as other things) has caused me to consider deleting my account.

Ever heard of Heaven?

Whether or not it exists, there's no evidence that Heaven exists. This is one of the many harms of religious thinking. By being convinced that this life doesn't matter, you have no regard to human life or well being. Grow up.

When you acknowledge that this life might be (and probably is) all you get, you take human life and well being more seriously.

 

[Apathetic_Discord]

Wait wait wait...are you really condemning and suggesting you'd rather have you and your loved ones "freedom" in Heaven, a place you're suggesting, that has no verifiable proof exists...because you don't want to take something that has no verifiable proof of there being any negative side effects worse then covid?

Are you for real? That is some irony.

 

[UltraSUPRA]

Hundreds of thousands of people, if not millions of people, (myself included) want their loved ones back. But they can't get them back because of assholes like you.

Everything is set in stone.

Your freedoms have not been encumbered. If anything, you've been given too much freedom with regard to spouting nonsense on this site that objectively causes harm. In my opinion, you should be banned, and that fact that you haven't been banned (as well as other things) has caused me to consider deleting my account.

"SPEECH IS DANGEROUS"
(Side note: I also want to leave this place, though for a different reason: I feel trapped.)

 

[ut2k4master]

Everything is set in stone.

"SPEECH IS DANGEROUS"
(Side note: I also want to leave this place, though for a different reason: I feel trapped.)

what you need is a psychologist, not "heaven"

 

[Lacius]

Everything is set in stone.

What are you trying to say here, that nothing matters, including the deaths of over 300,000 people and their mourning loved ones? Go fuck yourself.

"SPEECH IS DANGEROUS"

Speech can be dangerous. If you yell "fire" in a crowded theater where there is no fire and cause a mass panic, for example, that's dangerous. Telling people not to wear masks, social distance, vaccinate, etc. is dangerous.

(Side note: I also want to leave this place, though for a different reason: I feel trapped.)

Then leave.
(Side note: I just realized that if I cattily told you to go kill yourself, I'd probably have my post deleted and receive a warning, but if I told people to kill others by spreading a deadly infectious disease and defended it in part by saying it's admirable to cull the overpopulation, nothing would happen. This whole site needs to grow up. What a fucking double standard).

 

[Apathetic_Discord]

Let's just say, for the sake of it, Heaven exists. And let's say the whole "rules for getting in" are the usual stuff mentioned.

Let's also say you choose not to get the vaccine, and by extension get infected, and by extension cause the death of someone vulnerable you walk past or know, be it an immuno-compromised person or someone in the At-Risk Category (Diabetic, Elderly etc.)...Do you really think your willful neglect that caused someone else to potentially die isn't going to be a bit of an issue?

Whichever way you slice it, you chose not to get vaccinated, knowing the risks and knowing the implications. You made that conscious decision, knowing it could kill someone.

I'm pretty sure there are rules against that type of thing at the great pearly gates.

 

[UltraSUPRA]

What are you trying to say here, that nothing matters, including the deaths of over 300,000 people and their mourning loved ones? Go fuck yourself.

No cost is too great for individual liberty.

Speech can be dangerous. If you yell "fire" in a crowded theater where there is no fire and cause a mass panic, for example, that's dangerous. Telling people not to wear masks, social distance, vaccinate, etc. is dangerous.

First amendment.

Then leave.

I've tried.

(Side note: I just realized that if I cattily told you to go kill yourself, I'd probably have my post deleted and receive a warning, but if I told people to kill others by spreading a deadly infectious disease and defended it in part by saying it's admirable to cull the overpopulation, nothing would happen. This whole site needs to grow up. What a fucking double standard).

Mask refusal isn't murder.

 

[Lacius]

No cost is too great for individual liberty.

First amendment.

I've tried.

Mask refusal isn't murder.

1. Your liberties aren't being encumbered.
2. The First Amendment doesn't guarantee unrestricted free speech.
3. You have the power to leave.
4. Mask refusal is reckless endangerment, and it's a crime in some areas.

 

[ut2k4master]

First amendment.

youve been told a million times already, but PLEASE look up what the first amendment actually means. you CANT say anything you want wherever you want without repercussions. we had this discussion before and you still chose to ignore it

 

[Lacius]

youve been told a million times already, but PLEASE look up what the first amendment actually means. you CANT say anything you want wherever you want without repercussions. we had this discussion before and you still chose to ignore it

At best, he's trolling. At worst, he's inciting reckless behavior that will almost certainly get people killed. Regardless, @UltraSUPRA should be banned. It's, like, the bare minimum that the GBATemp staff can do at this point. Even that might not make up for some of the nonsense I've seen get reported and slide by lately.

 

[VinsCool]

I can admire perseverance, but at this point when someone is being proven wrong and still refuse to give up and learn better makes me feel pity.

Wait wait wait...are you really condemning and suggesting you'd rather have you and your loved ones "freedom" in Heaven, a place you're suggesting, that has no verifiable proof exists...because you don't want to take something that has no verifiable proof of there being any negative side effects worse then covid?

Are you for real? That is some irony.

Yes, we all read that right.
It's seriously concerning.

It's one thing to be egoist, but this goes way deeper than just not wanting to sacrifice comfort because "it violates my freedom".

(Side note: I also want to leave this place, though for a different reason: I feel trapped.)

Yes, because being cornered and unable to defend your "opinions" doesn't feel nice, does it?

what you need is a psychologist, not "heaven"

Nah, you have to willingly go to see one, and if you don't want to help yourself, it would not be any helpful.

Don't forget he just mentioned the necessary deaths, if he truly wants to go to heaven, let him do as he wishes, until he realises he will end in hell for such a mentality.

Then leave.
(Side note: I just realized that if I cattily told you to go kill yourself, I'd probably have my post deleted and receive a warning, but if I told people to kill others by spreading a deadly infectious disease and defended it in part by saying it's admirable to cull the overpopulation, nothing would happen. This whole site needs to grow up.

Oh believe me, I agree, this has been going for far too long.

Let's say I am getting fed up so at this point I might as well help and motivate him to leave by preventing any more pointless argument by claiming freedom and play deaf and dumb, if he wants a taste of censorship it might as well be a good time to offer it generously.



Now everyone can discuss in peace again.