Joe Biden Wins - Becomes 46th president of the United States

[djpannda]

most 17 years olds are incapable of basic household chores..Allowing one to Travel state lines "KNOWIng full well, His looking for Trouble and carrying a GUN! Makes a Person a Horrible Parent PEROID!. It not like he was defending his House. or going Hunting.
because his Horrible PARENTS not only is their son problem going to jail and destroyed he's life but 2 people died and 1 paralyzed.

 

[Doran754]

My post was removed for "flaming" but It's perfectly fine to insinuate i'd let my child walk around with a knife. Two tier modding as usual, absolute joke to be honest.

most 17 years olds are incapable of basic household chores..Allowing one to Travel state lines "KNOWIng full well, His looking for Trouble and carrying a GUN! Makes a Person a Horrible Parent PEROID!. It not like he was defending his House. or going Hunting.
because his Horrible PARENTS not only is their son problem going to jail and destroyed he's life but 2 people died and 1 paralyzed.

You think 17yr olds can't do basic household chores? My god. It sounds like everybody who knows you needs help getting dressed in the morning. Anyway I'll leave it at that before a mod comes and strikes me down again, you're perfectly fine to carry on accusing me of letting children walk around with assault weapons though. One rule for you lot as usual, different one for me.

 

[Foxi4]

most 17 years olds are incapable of basic household chores..Allowing one to Travel state lines "KNOWIng full well, His looking for Trouble and carrying a GUN! Makes a Person a Horrible Parent PEROID!. It not like he was defending his House. or going Hunting.
because his Horrible PARENTS not only is their son problem going to jail and destroyed he's life but 2 people died and 1 paralyzed.

To be fair, the fact that 17 year old are like babies nowadays is not something to celebrate either. Not so long ago 17 year olds were on the front lines during a World War, now they don't know how to fold a shirt and "get triggered" on the Internet over the silliest of things. Hard times make strong people, strong people make easy times, easy times make weak people, weak people make hard times - the cycle continues.

 

[djpannda]

My post was removed for "flaming" but It's perfectly fine to insinuate i'd let my child walk around with a knife. Two tier modding as usual, absolute joke to be honest.




You think 17yr olds can't do basic household chores? My god. It sounds like everybody who knows you needs help getting dressed in the morning. Anyway I'll leave it at that before a mod comes and strikes me down again, you're perfectly fine to carry on accusing me of letting children walk around with assault weapons though. One rule for you lot as usual, different one for me.

yes .. because I am not crazy.. just a Panda

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To be fair, the fact that 17 year old are like babies nowadays is not something to celebrate either. Not so long ago 17 year olds were on the front lines during a World War, now they don't know how to fold a shirt and "get triggered" on the Internet over the silliest of things. Hard times make strong people, strong people make easy times, easy times make weak people, weak people make hard times - the cycle continues.

but times change. My Great Grandmother got married at 13 to a man in his 20s.. in the 1900. But if that happens in the western countries today it would be labeled as Rape and Child Abused. .. How people act and react changes as society matures.

 

[Foxi4]

but times change. My Great Grandmother got married at 13 to a man in his 20s.. in the 1900. But if that happens in the western countries today it would be labeled as Rape and Child Abused. .. How people act and react changes as society matures.

You're not supposed to be a toddler at the age of 17 - you're a year away from being a grown adult and chances are that you've been driving on a provisional license for a year. The idea that being this inept at the age of 17 is acceptable is baffling to me. If anything, it speaks to just how badly parents and the educational system have failed the current generation. Some are even saying we should lower the voting age to 17 - if they can't cook a scrambled egg or use the washing machine, I don't want them anywhere near a ballot, it's evidence of ineptitude. If you can't provide for yourself, you can't provide for anyone.

 

[djpannda]

You're not supposed to be a toddler at the age of 17 - you're a year away from being a grown adult and chances are that you've been driving on a provisional license for a year. The idea that being this inept at the age of 17 is acceptable is baffling to me. If anything, it speaks to just how badly parents and the educational system have failed the current generation.

yes US does have horrible and unfair Education system.

 

[Foxi4]

yes US does have horrible and unfair Education system.

I'm pretty sure this is a global phenomenon not unique to the United States, young adults are infantilised and overly coddled in most of the developed world out of the (wrong) sentiment to give them an "easier upbringing" than the one their parents had. If you spend your entire young life coasting down hill, you'll fall on your face flat when faced with your first obstacle. Raising children to be incapable of dealing with the challenges of adulthood is short-sighted and irresponsible.

 

[djpannda]

I'm pretty sure this is a global phenomenon not unique to the United States, young adults are infantilised and overly coddled in most of the developed world out of the (wrong) sentiment to give them an "easier upbringing" than the one their parents had. If you spend your entire young life coasting down hill, you'll fall on your face flat when faced with your first obstacle. Raising children to be incapable of dealing with the challenges of adulthood is short-sighted and irresponsible.

I agree we have raised Children unable to take care of themselves and not responsible enough not to go out and kill people. (see what I did there I brought it around like a circle. lol)

 

[Foxi4]

I agree we have raised Children unable to take care of themselves and not responsible enough not to go out and kill people. (see what I did there I brought it around like a circle. lol)

If my child ever gets attacked, I fully expect them to defend themselves with whatever they can grab to do so - fight or flight is a natural instinct, I see self-defense as a top priority. The kid was wrong to even insert himself in the situation, but I'm not surprised that he blasted at the aggressors who obviously would've harmed him or even killed him otherwise. He also kept a cool head, immediately reported the incident and dispensed whatever little care he could before the authorities have arrived instead of doing the obvious thing and fleeing the scene. He acted more mature than most kids his age. With that said, he shouldn't have been there at all, least of all with a firearm - that's my issue, not the fact that he shot and killed someone who attacked him.

 

[djpannda]

With that said, he shouldn't have been there at all, least of all with a firearm -

but thats the whole argument. Its not that he "defended Himself" because if this was someone breaking into his house or Hunting game in the woods, that would be another story.. Its that he wanted to be Macho Man and was thirsty for action. and His Parents,who still had legal responsibility for him, allowed him.

 

[Foxi4]

but thats the whole argument. Its not that he "defended Himself" because if this was someone breaking him to his house or Hunting game in the woods that is another story.. Its that he wanted to be Macho Man and was thirsty for active and He partners that still had legal responsibility for him allowed him.

I can see that, that's fair. What I don't like seeing is people treating the matter as if Rittenhouse got out of his home that day to blast at protestor at random - I doubt that very much. He was there to keep the peace and distribute medical supplies, he shot in self-defense. His parents were negligent in the sense that they allowed him to participate in a dangerous situation for no reason, and as a result he got into a heap of trouble. That could've been avoided entirely.

 

[djpannda]

I can see that, that's fair. What I don't like seeing is people treating the matter as if Rittenhouse got out of his home that day to blast at protestor at random - I doubt that very much. He was there to keep the peace and distribute medical supplies, he shot in self-defense. His parents were negligent in the sense that they allowed him to participate in a dangerous situation for no reason, and as a result he got into a heap of trouble. That could've been avoided entirely.

and even if he showed up without a Gun, the situation would of been 100% different. He might not have been embolden to flash a weapon, the others party would of viewed the weapon as a Threat and hostilities might of naturally blown over.. and 4 people when be home with their families today.

 

[AmandaRose]

I can see that, that's fair. What I don't like seeing is people treating the matter as if Rittenhouse got out of his home that day to blast at protestor at random - I doubt that very much. He was there to keep the peace and distribute medical supplies, he shot in self-defense. His parents were negligent in the sense that they allowed him to participate in a dangerous situation for no reason, and as a result he got into a heap of trouble. That could've been avoided entirely.

The way I see it is everyone was at fault. The protesters felt threatened by the fact that Rittenhouse was walking around with a rifle so the charged at him.

Rittenhouse felt threatened by the fact a mob charged him so he fired.

Both sides are equally to blame.

But the biggest blame must go to whoever bought him the rifle in the first place as he was underage to buy one.

 

[Foxi4]

and even if he showed up without a Gun, the situation would of been 100% different. He might not have been embolden to flash a weapon, the others party would of viewed the weapon as a Threat and hostilities might of naturally blown over.. and 4 people when be home with their families today.

I fully suspect that if he wasn't armed, he'd be in the ICU with a concussion, but that's shoulda woulda coulda. If you charge an armed individual with the intention to do them harm, there's a very real possibility that it might be the last thing you do on this earth. At some point the scales tip over, and whatever happens after that is on you. It'd be different if he was an active shooter and they were heroically trying to stop him from shooting people, but that wasn't the case. He was minding his own business.

 

[smf]

Is it okay if he defends himself in his own state when other people with guns come towards him

Seems like a simple fix for that is to take away all their guns, so they can't play at being tough.

 

[Foxi4]

The way I see it is everyone was at fault. The protesters felt threatened by the fact that Rittenhouse was walking around with a rifle so the charged at him.

Rittenhouse felt threatened by the fact a mob charged him so he fired.

Both sides are equally to blame.

But the biggest blame must go to whoever bought him the rifle in the first place as he was underage to buy one.

The party at fault is always the aggressor. It doesn't matter if they feel threatened or not, the constitution makes no mention of feelings, it only mentions the right to bear arms, and they had no way of knowing if Rittenhouse was 18 or not, or if he was allowed to carry a weapon or not.

 

[djpannda]

I fully suspect thst if he wasn't armed, he'd be in the ICU with a concussion, but that's shoulda woulda coulda. If you charge an armed individual with the intention to do them harm, there's a very real possibility that it might be the last thing you do on this earth. At some point the scales tip over, and whatever happens after that is on you. It'd be different if he was an active shooter and they were heroically trying to stop him from shooting people, but that wasn't the case. He was minding his own business.

I think if he wasn't armed, He might of not been perceived as a threat, and Treated him like kid. Most people automatically Think of the Person Screaming angrily while hading a Holding a Firearm approaching me is up to no good..

 

[Foxi4]

I think if he wasn't armed, He might of not been perceived as a threat, and Treated him like kid. Most people automatically Think of the Person Screaming angrily while hading a Holding a Firearm approaching me is up to no good..

We must've watched a different video then. That's neither here nor there though, it's for the courts to decide. To me it wasn't a murder, least of all premeditated murder, it was manslaughter. I would say negligent discharge too, but he had a good reason to shoot, so I'll scratch that. A cactus will grow out of the palm of my hand before I vilify anyone for self-defense, even if I disagree with them and think they've done wrong.

Old saying, don't mind me.

 

[omgcat]

Safe harbor day (aka the deadline set by federal law for states to resolve challenges to election results) is tomorrow, trump needs the craziest of Hail Marys at this point. none of the previous court cases have come close to meeting the minimum amount of evidence needed, and no more cases can be filed after the 8th of December.

 

[KingVamp]

Yea isn’t ironic When people allowed a 17 year old kid buy heavy assault rife, carried fire arms across state lines .. when he clearly just learned to wipe his own butt and can not handle open carry.. and unable to handle himself when he is confronted and fires his gun at multiple people, killing 2 and paralyzing 1

Good thing that the person that gave him the gun in the first place is also in trouble.

Never understood this train of thought. 17 is a kid now? Why you allowing 17yr olds to drive cars then, they're death machines. Also im gaging from your response you dont think 17yr olds should be able to defend themselves.

A car isn't specifically design to kill, but putting that aside, you are meant to pass tests and have supervision. You don't need a gun to defend oneself.