Joe Biden Wins - Becomes 46th president of the United States

[UltraSUPRA]

It's amazing how the conservatives have talked themselves into being anti-democratic.

Telling people where they can/can't live is a violation of people's freedoms. You know, that thing you pretend to care about when it suits you?

Abolition of the Electoral College is also a violation of the Constitution.

 

[Lacius]

Abolition of the Electoral College is also a violation of the Constitution.

Who the fuck cares? Ending slavery was a violation of the Constitution as it was at the time.

 

[SonowRaevius]

Your argument is that living in a city should decrease the value of a citizen's vote. My argument is that all votes should be treated equally.

Who wins this argument? Here's a hint:

It's not you.

If all the states suddenly starting swinging blue they would start saying how it's unfair how low population areas get to choose the fate of the whole nation and would want to change it.

Just look at gerrymandering for a good example, they absolutely love and support the unfair advantage it gives towards votes, but when it is used to turn a state blue suddenly "it's a bad thing" and "needs to be abolished".

 

[Deleted member 326676]

Alright. You give me equal distribution of people among cities, I'll give you equal voting power among people.

Yes, all electoral votes should be treated equally.

Just as long as conservatives benefit from it. Considering your posting pattern, you'd be against it if it didn't benefit you in some way.

Hypothetically, I'd be willing to compromise with you. Let's keep the electoral college, but get rid of the winner-takes-all format. That means conservative votes in blue states would actually count for something and vice versa.

This satisfies your argument:

"Yes, all electoral votes should be treated equally."

While also satisfying my argument:

"I want the election to be determined by voters, not cities or wide open spaces."

Win-win.

 

[Deleted User]

You are right. I am skeptical of Ameica's democratic process. Vote fraud does happen (fact).

Nice try to move the conversation.
But we know that's not what you believe in.
Since you also said trump could win due to "wide spread voter fraud"
And that's the key point.
keep trying to retroactively change what you already said.
it's going to keep failing.
Also again, you still failed to argue that my response had nothing to do with you.
And also failed to argue you don't believe in widespread voter fraud.

 

[gregory-samba]

After pondering about this, I think I am starting to see what you mean. It was basically just the African American that were slaves and no other race were a slave, hence the oppression. Make sense now.
Then there is a so-called "white slaves" known as "indentured servants". Perhaps not as harsh compared to slaves of African American.

There were more than black slaves in this world back then and modern slavery exists all around the globe and affects all skin tones and races.

 

[Lacius]

There were more than black slaves in this world back then and modern slavery exists all around the globe and affects all skin tones and races.

Yes, but we are talking about the systemic oppression of Black people in this country.

 

[UltraSUPRA]

Just as long as conservatives benefit from it. Considering your posting pattern, you'd be against it if it didn't benefit you in some way.

Hypothetically, I'd be willing to compromise with you. Let's keep the electoral college, but get rid of the winner-takes-all format. That means conservative votes in blue states would actually count for something and vice versa.

This satisfies your argument:

While also satisfying my argument:


Win-win.

So what you're saying is a system like in Nebraska, where rather than having one statewide winner, each district gets their own vote. Meaning big cities have even less power than with the current system, as while all 29 electoral votes of New York are normally determined by Manhattan Island and Albany, under this idea, while they would still have more power than other counties, they'd only carry a bit over half of all New York votes combined. If this is what you're saying, we have reached a compromise.

 

[RandomUser]

There were more than black slaves in this world back then and modern slavery exists all around the globe and affects all skin tones and races.

Really? I thought it was mostly black and was isolated to a few country back then, but I learned something new. Thank you.
I have notice that the debtors prison thing that was abolished is sort of making a comeback today.
I have notice that the government emphasize on one gender signifying that the other are not equally important and is okay to exploit.

 

[Deleted member 326676]

So what you're saying is a system like in Nebraska, where rather than having one statewide winner, each district gets their own vote. Meaning big cities have even less power than with the current system, as while all 29 electoral votes of New York are normally determined by Manhattan Island and Albany, under this idea, while they would still have more power than other counties, they'd only carry a bit over half of all New York votes combined. If this is what you're saying, we have reached a compromise.

My proposal would effectively allow the electoral college to approximate the results of the popular vote. A system that treats all voters as equals while preserving our standing as a Republic. No one vote is worth more than another just because a voter happens to live in a wide open space or a city. I suspect a winner-takes-all by districts approach would likely throw the system even more off balance.

 

[tabzer]

Nice try to move the conversation.
But we know that's not what you believe in.
Since you also said trump could win due to "wide spread voter fraud"
And that's the key point.
keep trying to retroactively change what you already said.
it's going to keep failing.
Also again, you still failed to argue that my response had nothing to do with you.
And also failed to argue you don't believe in widespread voter fraud.

If Trump wins the election, it would probably be because he demonstrates,"wide spread voter fraud" or perhaps by arresting all of his political opponents. I'm not really sure how the latter works. I have trouble believing Biden outperformed Obama. Your comment that we are talking about, is factually inaccurate on multiple accounts. The only way that is seemed relevant or true was by poking fun at the court cases being proof of something.

 

[CompassNorth]

Y'all really need to stop with "my experience with X is" or "My friend's experience with Y is" as if you or your friends are representatives of whatever issue you're talking about.
I've never had a bad experience with cops, that does not mean systemic oppression via law enforcement is not real or that I support the blue lives matter movement.
There are so many variables to consider it's not as simple as saying "I/My friend never experienced [whatever] so it's not a thing"

 

[UltraSUPRA]

Y'all really need to stop with "my experience with X is" or "My friend's experience with Y is" as if you or your friends representatives of whatever issue you're talking about.
I've never had a bad experience with cops, that does not mean systemic oppression via law enforcement is not real or that I support the blue lives matter movement.
There are so many variables to consider it's not as simple as saying "I/My friend never experienced [whatever] so it's not a thing"

Racism will always be a thing, in all professions. It's natural to fear differences. That doesn't make it a good thing, but there's not much we can do.

 

[notimp]

It's natural to fear differences.

Again, this is a rhetorical trick. Its 'natural' to... Is simply proclaimed, sounds good (because natural) - has no actual claims, or proof attached.

Its word play.

Same stupid trick advertisers use in
- the food industry. "Natural aromas" (http://www.naturalaroma.co/products/ = chemicals)
- the beauty industry (https://www.aromanaturals.com/ = natural and organic beauty/some cream)
...

And even in this case its absolutely wrong. Racism studies show, that a societal concept of race is needed, to become a racist.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC3083924/

Meaning, if you child. And see difference, response is not 'fear'.

So absolute hatemongering BS from you this time.

Its not 'inescapable' that people react with racist motives. Its people like you that teach them, that this is a reaction they could go with.


edit: Easier to read text on the subject:
https://inclusions.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/11/Children-are-Not-Colorblind.pdf

 

[tabzer]

I'm just having a ball with this. This is gbatemp.net, the only place on the internet where everything can and is exploited, except politics and voting machines. I cannot be the only one thinking this.

 

[Lacius]

Racism will always be a thing, in all professions. It's natural to fear differences. That doesn't make it a good thing, but there's not much we can do.

Regardless of how you feel about racism in general, there's a lot we can do to mitigate the present disadvantages caused by past systemic oppression.

 

[Deleted member 326676]

Trump campaign retreats from key claim in Pennsylvania suit
https://apnews.com/article/election...nia-lawsuits-fe4754fa7cd077d66854c724e1df91e7

Ahead of a Tuesday hearing in the case, Trump’s campaign dropped the allegation that hundreds of thousands of mail-in and absentee ballots — 682,479, to be precise — were illegally processed without its representatives watching.

The campaign’s slimmed-down lawsuit, filed in federal court on Sunday, maintains the aim of blocking Pennsylvania from certifying a victory for Biden in the state, and it maintains its claim that Democratic voters were treated more favorably than Republican voters.

The remaining claim in the lawsuit centers on disqualifying ballots cast by voters who were given an opportunity to fix mail-in ballots that were going to be disqualified for a technicality.

The lawsuit charges that “Democratic-heavy counties” violated the law by identifying mail-in ballots before Election Day that had defects — such as lacking an inner “secrecy envelope” or lacking a voter’s signature on the outside envelope — so that the voter could fix it and ensure that the vote would count, called “curing.”

Cliff Levine, a lawyer representing the Democratic National Committee, which is seeking to intervene, said it’s unclear how many voters were given the chance to fix their ballot.

But, he said, it is minimal and certainly fewer than the margin — almost 70,000 — that separates Biden and Trump.

 

[UltraSUPRA]

Regardless of how you feel about racism in general, there's a lot we can do to mitigate the present disadvantages caused by past systemic oppression.

America is already the least racist multi-racial country.

 

[AmandaRose]

America is already the least racist multi-racial country.

What utter bullshit you talk. Every time league tables are published about racism/homopbia/transphobia America is always one of the counties that come out the worst for all 3


https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.businessinsider.com/us-systemic-racism-in-charts-graphs-data-2020-6?amp



https://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2019/04/09/race-in-america-2019/

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/amp/world-us-canada-44158098


America are not even near the current top 20 lol.

Slightly different list linked down below but again America is not in the top 20.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.in...sive-eco-friendly-countries-a7516091.html?amp

 

[UltraSUPRA]

What utter bullshit you talk. Every time league tables are published about racism/homopbia/transphobia America is always one of the counties that come out the worst for all 3


https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.businessinsider.com/us-systemic-racism-in-charts-graphs-data-2020-6?amp



https://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2019/04/09/race-in-america-2019/

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.bbc.com/news/amp/world-us-canada-44158098


America are not even near the current top 20 lol.

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