The media is creating mass hysteria over the Coronavirus.

[UltraSUPRA]

You knew before you posted it that I wasn't gonna watch any bootlicking GOP propaganda from PragerU.

You don't get to have an opinion if you only listen to one side.

 

[eyeliner]

Don't respond until you've watched the video.

About the bloated voter roles, might be the lists aren't updated frequently enough? I mean, people die, move state, country or whatever...

 

[Xzi]

You don't get to have an opinion if you only listen to one side.

There is only one "side" to the facts. Stick with accredited institutions or non-profits for statistics. The Brennan Center for Justice did a thorough investigation on this topic and found 31 cases of voter fraud per billion votes cast since the year 2000.

 

[UltraSUPRA]

About the bloated voter roles, might be the lists aren't updated frequently enough? I mean, people die, move state, country or whatever...

It just so happens that dead people are voting.

 

[eyeliner]

It just so happens that dead people are voting.

Ah... Damned zombies.

 

[notimp]

The problem with mail-order votes is that they can easily be tampered with.

No - let me be the impartial voice on this one as well.

In our country we have seals on mail order votes, so once they are closed it is obvious if they've been reopened. If you dont trust the postal system, you can bring them to your voting bureau, over a period of about a month (instead of voting day only)..

Those issues have been solved.

What has not been solved is 'pressure'. You vote in a public place in private, so people can not be pressured by their employers, or by their husbands to vote in front of them, or to hand over votings slips.

This is a culture thing. So as long as your boss doesnt collect your voting ballets, or your spouse gets ideas, you are good. Usually pushing for one year of increased mail in voting should be fine. Problems arise if a large percentage of the country does it for a long time, so that voting/coercion culture can change. (F.e. you start collecting blank voteing ballots from elders in assisted living homes,.. but even this can be disabled by having people sign on the seal of an outer envelope (so vote still is secret, but outer envelope can be signature checked (were you ok with the voting process).))

Apart from that no problems whatsoever,

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It just so happens that dead people are voting.

Votes are not personal. If you do ballot stuffing, why would you first register dead people? (Do all of them then also have to come in with fake driving licenses? Or live at still registered addresses you would send ballets to? (Just check if they dont all go to warehouse nr. 7) Not economical.) You just lose a couple of the real votes, right?

Also the system that prevents ballot stuffing is how you set up the voting places - you have representatives of both parties overseeing the entire process (counting, giving your vote).

This is why it is important that you dont do electronic voting shananigans, because the process has to be as simple as paperslip, and everone in the room understands what that means. As soon as you get programming into that... All of a sudden people stop understanding whats happening.
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So why are republicans so afraid of vote per mail? They have the more dedicated electorate. So the more easy and convenient you make the process, the more moderate votes come in. US also is the only country I can think of that votes on a work day. Makes no sense - apart from keeping 'less dedicated and poorer peoples votes' out.

 

[Xzi]

So why are republicans so afraid of vote per mail? Makes no sense - apart from keeping 'less dedicated and poorer peoples votes' out.

Bingo. There hasn't been a single Republican presidential candidate that's won the popular vote in the last 30-something years (though I believe an incumbent won it once in that time). If voting is made more accessible, they can't possibly win even the electoral college any more, regardless of how much gerrymandering they do. Voter suppression has been their primary strategy for decades.

 

[UltraSUPRA]

Bingo. There hasn't been a single Republican presidential candidate that's won the popular vote in the last 30-something years (though I believe an incumbent won it once in that time). If voting is made more accessible, they can't possibly win even the electoral college any more, regardless of how much gerrymandering they do. Voter suppression has been their primary strategy for decades.

Republicans lost the popular vote because of fake votes.

 

[notimp]

Republicans lost the popular vote because of fake votes.

Give examples, show something that could be seen as proof or as more than just opinion.
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Over mortality in the UK was 13x-40x (1 is the normalized normal, but 3 also is in 'expected range') higher than in normal years, but only for a few weeks (before measures were taken).

https://euromomo.eu/graphs-and-maps

edit: Excess mortality in the US only was moderately higher so far:

(graph goes from january to july)

https://ourworldindata.org/excess-mortality-covid

So (compared color coding with Sweden) about 4x-13x higher than normal during the spike.

 

[Xzi]

Republicans lost the popular vote because of fake votes.

They lost the popular vote because their platform is less popular. You can simply look at voter registration data to verify that, you don't even need to look at specific elections.

 

[notimp]

Republican politicians across the country have for years railed against the threat of voter fraud. Some have made unproven claims about how rampant it has become in order to pass voter ID laws and open sweeping investigations. The sanctity of the vote, they have said, must be protected at all costs.

But when a hard-fought congressional election in North Carolina — in which a Republican candidate appeared to narrowly beat his Democratic opponent — was overturned this week because of election fraud by a Republican political operative, the party was measured, and largely muted, in its response.

src: https://www.nytimes.com/2019/02/22/us/republican-voter-fraud.html

Second part is anecdotal evidence, but first part again is structural. If you get more voter ID laws passed, more people have to register beforehand - which again keeps the less dedicated people out.

edit: Here, listen to Trump on this one..

“The things they had in there were crazy. They had things, levels of voting that if you’d ever agreed to it, you’d never have a Republican elected in this country again,” Trump said during an appearance on Fox & Friends. “They had things in there about election days and what you do and all sorts of clawbacks. They had things that were just totally crazy and had nothing to do with workers that lost their jobs and companies that we have to save.”

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/mar/30/trump-republican-party-voting-reform-coronavirus

Also:

“I don’t want everybody to vote,” Paul Weyrich, an influential conservative activist, said in 1980. “As a matter of fact, our leverage in the elections quite candidly goes up as the voting populace goes down.”

(Same source as above.)

 

[UltraSUPRA]

They lost the popular vote because their platform is less popular. You can simply look at voter registration data to verify that, you don't even need to look at specific elections.

Now remove the illegal aliens...

 

[Xzi]

Now remove the illegal aliens...

Easy enough, since they can't register to vote in the first place rofl.

 

[UltraSUPRA]

Easy enough, since they can't register to vote in the first place rofl.

Seems like you ignored the video. Fitting for a socialist.

Here's another photo.

 

[Xzi]

Seems like you ignored the video. Fitting for a socialist anyone with an ounce of common sense.

FTFY.

And that has what do with illegal aliens supposedly voting, exactly? You want to switch subjects now to how Portland protests were peaceful both before the feds showed up and after they left?

 

[CactusMan]

There is a thirth wave comming. Social distance yourself. Don´t comunicate with sisters, brothers ´n mothers. Epstain killed himself. And Bill Gates his vaccines are pretty fine https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vac-gen/side-effects.htm .

Social distancing is preventing expociure.

 

[omgcat]

FTFY.


And that has what do with illegal aliens supposedly voting, exactly? You want to switch subjects now to how Portland protests were peaceful both before the feds showed up and after they left?

he's losing the argument so he uses the standard non-sequitur.

 

[Xzi]

There is a thirth wave comming. Social distance yourself. Don´t comunicate with sisters, brothers ´n mothers. Epstain killed himself. And Bill Gates his vaccines are pretty fine https://www.cdc.gov/vaccines/vac-gen/side-effects.htm .

Social distancing is preventing expociure.

I'm not confident that the US has even made it out of the first wave yet.

 

[KingVamp]

Pro Tip: Just say socialism at some point and you win all the arguments.

 

[UltraSUPRA]

FTFY.

Again, there's always more than one side to any argument.

And that has what do with illegal aliens supposedly voting, exactly? You want to switch subjects now to how Portland protests were peaceful both before the feds showed up and after they left?

That wasn't about voting. That was about how there were hundreds of people outside, all very close to each other. Even if many of them were wearing masks, they only redirect the spread to the sides of your mouth and they don't protect the wearer. If these people can do these massive gatherings just because one guy killed one guy who mugged a pregnant woman at gunpoint, why can't I go to church? Why can't my parents vote in person? Why can't millions of people attend their grandparents' funerals?

Oh wait, right, paranoia.

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Pro Tip: Just say socialism at some point and you win all the arguments.

I meant to say Soviet.