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    To a certain and I'd even say lesser extent. In most cases. The default position of RT, or I'd say The Hill on youtube (to a lesser extent), or 'insert whatever pundit show you like', is to put an agitation spin on news items, if one is to be had.

    The default position of (non yellow press) western news media outlets is not.

    That said, when it comes to potentially controversial subjects, or subjects where there is a strong indication, that the governments line of thought (or the line of a financier of a paper) needs to be represented - read around, and maybe even screen some of the more controversial sources.

    But whats not true is, that RT is just another news outlet, with a slightly different perspective. Same as with The Hill on youtube, they usually are agitating against 'the default position' any chance they get. They move more on what I'd call a PR spin, than conventional outlets.

    Does it mean, that they are always wrong? No. But it means that they will represent a world view to you thats largely different from what everyone else gets, and largely for no reason.

    I'll watch, or read them - when I'm in the mood, but you layered them in as a 'just another source' on a 'normal' (conventional, undisputed, matter of fact reporting) newsitem, and understanding their mode of operation, thats not ideal.


    On certain news items, they even might be more 'to the point' than the majority of western outlets, but that is not because of diligent efforts in reporting. Thats usually because one governments line added more spin on an issue, than another one.. ;) Also - I believe, that most people will be better off, if they dont take the 'devils advocate' position on newsitems in their own jurisdictions as fact.

    And RT is a russian state financed media outlet, targeting western markets. Its not 'a russian newspaper' its a propaganda outlet. That said, sometimes there can be inklings of truth even in propaganda, or counter propaganda, so watching what they say can be a fun recreational activity. ;)

    Until you start posting them as 'just another source' on the Covid outbreak. Looking at russia and the Covid outbreak specifically, they probably would be the last news media outlet I'd try to get my Covid-19 scoops from. But even then, the newsitem in itself wasnt problematic - what was, imho, was, to just allow for people to pick them up as 'just another news source' - without at least hinting at any of the things we just went through.

    Because - from a PR view, Covid-19 and other largely neutral, but highly emotional, high profile news items are great for them to acquire new audiences. Which then might even just expect factual reporting on the rest of what they produce, when not looking too closely.

    The video to usually link, when trying to explain what RT "is", is this one:
    edit: It is this one h**ps://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GOaQA6uFacA but no subtitled version is to be found on youtube... I saw parts of that speech translated afair on an Arte documentary. Its a head of state gratulating them on their success (youtube clicknumbers), and what they had achieved, and praising their management, and... and they arent a news medium thats active (as in relevant) in russia. And when Putin is in that room, thats not a 'fluke' or a nice gesture, thats state protocol - and every one around knows, what the important speech that evening is.. ;)
     
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    The reporter thats named worked on the Covid-19 beat around the time this happened. And usually this doesnt happen. (First time, in a long time (talking about HK, and a NYT corespondent), afaik.)

    edit: see f.e. https://www.lowyinstitute.org/the-interpreter/covidcast-xi-jinping-and-covid-19
     
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    [​IMG]

    Note there's a difference between "case fatality rate" and "mortality risk" ... (https://ourworldindata.org/mortality-risk-covid) a reliable mortality risk is hard to determine because we'll never know exactly how many 'positive' cases there are out there. The case fatality rate shown in the chart above is a the ratio of know cases vs. known deaths. So while not "dependable" in predicting the odds of dying from the virus in any given country, it's still a generally reliable measure based on objective data. Anyway, just thought I'd share this for some of the people who've been representing here that the USA is a killing field and all other nations are doing great.
     
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    I like how even the banner of your own source says how poor of a measure it is in the middle of a pandemic. Your second wave only started like 3 weeks ago, people take time to die.
    You might be doing great now according to the CFR, but that can change quickly

    For florida for example the infections started rising one month ago, and only 2 weeks ago the deaths/day started following.
    The problem is, you're lucky if the death count keeps being low. But if the death count suddenly rises exponentially then there's nothing you can do to stop it quickly. Even when everyone isolates now instantly the deaths/day might still incrase over the timespan over the next 3 weeks. And then the USA will be the killing field.
     
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    I included the explanation for why they say that in my post. "Case fatality rate" isn't a good indicator for actual mortality risk, because the total number of cases including undiagnosed/unidentified can't be known. To assess mortality risk, you'd need to compare total Covid positives against total Covid deaths. It's practically impossible. But what case fatality rate is a good measure for is how a nation handles care and treatment after a person has been identified as a positive.

    Also, your second paragraph sounds slightly hopeful.
     
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    This is what's called "herd immunity".
     
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    Only in Trump states?

    At less than 10% of population infected?

    (Herd immunity sets in at 60% of population having been infected.)

    The issue with the graph is, that Covid-19 case numbers suddenly became 'political' after the HHS took over reporting them.

    In fact, on the day the HHS took over reporting them. Took over for no stated reason btw. In a strongly contested political move. :)

    We are currently 110 days aways from the election.
     
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    this is not herd immunity. the skewed numbers are almost entirely republican run states. in the above video, the guy goes over why the numbers are "out of character".

    the charts and data can bee seen here: http://91-divoc.com/pages/covid-visualization/

    our government has literally started cooking the books on COVID cases. people should be scared, and ashamed, we bitched and yelled about china doing this exact thing. hell a Texan is dying once every 6.5 minutes to this disease. they can hide the numbers, but not the dead bodies.
     
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    I had pneumonia in march and that stuff was no joke! I heard covid has simillar syntomps to that.
     
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    Over mortality figures for the EU:

    https://euromomo.eu/graphs-and-maps

    (About double the mortality compared to an excessive flue year.)

    And here per country in the 'worst week overall'

    [​IMG]
     
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    A room full of people who have all had their temperature checked on the way in and are all wearing masks except the current speaker. What is nuance for 500, Alex.

    Meanwhile, Trump rails against mail-in voting but suggests everyone should use absentee ballots instead. They're the same fucking thing. You're a dumbass and so is he.
     
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    The problem with mail-order votes is that they can easily be tampered with.
     
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    The problem with that statement is that several states have had mail-in ballots for decades with no tampering to speak of. Voter fraud is basically non-existent in the US, there are between 2-5 cases per cycle. Election fraud, on the hand, which is to say fraud that comes from the top down, is becoming disturbingly common.
     
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    Don't respond until you've watched the video.
     
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    You knew before you posted it that I wasn't gonna watch any bootlicking GOP propaganda from PragerU.
     
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