Joy-Con connectivity issues have plagued Nintendo Switch owners since the launch of the console, more than two years ago. Recently, Joy-Con drift has become a topic of interest once more, due to fans vocally expressing their disappointment. With no real solution in sight, it appears that a law firm is stepping in to see if they can make things happen. The law firm, called Chimicles Schwartz Kriner & Donaldson-Smith LLP, is a three-decade old institution that focuses on class action lawsuits. According to CSK&D, they have begun an investigation into a possible class-action lawsuit against Nintendo for selling faulty Joy-Cons that have phantom input and interfere with gaming.

You can fill out the form in the link below to offer your personal experiences with your Joy-Cons to help give the firm more information to work with. If enough reports come in, then CSK&D will move forward with their lawsuit. Whether this will result in a solution or even make it to court is unclear, but the threat of legal action could perhaps spur Nintendo into coming up with a fix or revision for future Joy-con releases.

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[TheZander]

This happened with the wii strap right? I hope they beat this,

 

[UltraSUPRA]

Never been a victim.

 

[FAST6191]

This happened with the wii strap right? I hope they beat this,

Had a quick catch up on those ( https://www.theregister.co.uk/2008/12/12/wii_strap_lawsuit/ and https://www.gamespot.com/articles/nintendo-sued-over-wii-wrist-straps/1100-6163421/ ). Seems like a different aspect of law -- damages resulting from poor engineering design vs this which is failure of items from poor engineering design, and inadequate response to it. What did Nintendo do or not do here to warrant the "I hope they beat this"? It seems pretty justified from where I sit.

Edit. Found a conclusion to the 2008 one. Nintendo won summary judgement in 2010 https://www.leagle.com/decision/infdco20100924743
Another mentioned the 2006 case ended in Nintendo's favour as well.

guys calm down.
just replace the Joy-Con sticks with the Wii U GamePad sticks.
I've never experienced GamePad stick drift, and it's actually get us to pull out our Wii Us once again XD

I thought nobody bought the Wii U, which was most of the problem.

 

[midstor]

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Joy-Con connectivity issues have plagued Nintendo Switch owners since the launch of the console, more than two years ago. Recently, Joy-Con drift has become a topic of interest once more, due to fans vocally expressing their disappointment. With no real solution in sight, it appears that a law firm is stepping in to see if they can make things happen. The law firm, called Chimicles Schwartz Kriner & Donaldson-Smith LLP, is a three-decade old institution that focuses on class action lawsuits. According to CSK&D, they have begun an investigation into a possible class-action lawsuit against Nintendo for selling faulty Joy-Cons that have phantom input and interfere with gaming.

You can fill out the form in the link below to offer your personal experiences with your Joy-Cons to help give the firm more information to work with. If enough reports come in, then CSK&D will move forward with their lawsuit. Whether this will result in a solution or even make it to court is unclear, but the threat of legal action could perhaps spur Nintendo into coming up with a fix or revision for future Joy-con releases.

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imo payback for last years shit with roms sry for bad spelimg i am writig this on swithhh :/

 

[Hambrew]

imo payback for last years shit with roms sry for bad spelimg i am writig this on swithhh :/

ya do know that the switch has a USB port. plug in a keyboard and be quiet

 

[Xabring]

As someone who's in the middle of trying to mod some Joy-Cons with Basstop D-Pad shells right at this moment, it is a pain.

Agreed. I had to mod mine with the simple antenna trick to make it work.

There is very little Nintendo could do about the issue, even if they tried to resolve it. Potentiometers are just not reliable, they're highly susceptible to wear and tear because the carbon races are very soft in order to facilitate smooth operation. They could use races made of harder resin, I suppose, but they all wear down eventually. This weakness of analog stick assemblies isn't exactly news, it hits all controller manufacturers, some more than others. It's one of the reasons why Sony never used pots for their analog triggers (they use force sensitive resistors) and Microsoft switched away from them on the One (they use Hall effect sensors) - the moment they had a feasible alternative, they ditched the failure point. Sadly, the same cannot be done for the sticks.

So...replacing them with 3DS like ones is better or worse?
I am curious if it actually works.

 

[Foxi4]

So...replacing them with 3DS like ones is better or worse?
I am curious if it actually works.

You would have to mark down the pinout, compare the resistance of the traces on both and compare the voltage across the X/Y axes. If they match, I don't see why it wouldn't work, there's no magical smart circuitry in there. Sounds like an interesting experiment. That being said, you *would* lose L3/R3 functionality, so perhaps "fattening the Joycons up" with normal sticks would be a better idea.

 

[Bladexdsl]

nintendo finally respond or should i say respond with "we knew about this from day one and don't give a fuck"

 

[chrisrlink]

so.......is the lawsuit still on cause I'm riding sue sue train til the end good the less people on board assuming we get damages the more I'll get

 

[Daggot]

so.......is the lawsuit still on cause I'm riding sue sue train til the end good the less people on board assuming we get damages the more I'll get

Yeah, its probably still on. Bethesda sent people real canvas bags in the end but they're still getting sued for sending out nylon in the first place for F76. Nintendo hasn't made a new revision to fix the drift and for the last 2 years they've been charging $50 for it to be repaired so they cant escape a class action that easily. This is less of a move to avoid a lawsuit and more of a move to reduce damages owed.

 

[Foxi4]

i dont get you you say they refuse to warranty, the switch has a minimum warranty of 2 years joy cons included so if they break you can send them in and get them fixed never heard them refuse to fix them.Sure people like me that bough switch day one already lost their warranry on march but hey that is with every eletronic product, im on my third fridge in 9 years they all fail on 3 or 4 year out of the warranty and there is nothing that can be done fix them or buy a new one like they say.

People often misunderstand what a "warranty" is. Just because a product is under warranty doesn't mean that you're necessarily entitled to a repair, free or otherwise. Certain kinds of faults are considered natural wear and tear and are not covered by a manufacturer's warranty - analog stick drift could potentially fall under that category. To put it into perspective when you buy a car from a dealer and it has a set of tires, those tires will only be usable for a set amount of miles. If you drive a whole lot, so much that you go through the threads within the warranty period, you can't reasonably expect the manufacturer to replace them for you - they're a replaceable consumable. Similarly, if you tweak your analog stick back and forth 24/7, you can't reasonably expect it to be replaced free of charge because there isn't an analog stick assembly on the planet that could withstand that. There are many other mechanical and electrical faults that are in this grey area of warranties, like the battery. A lithium battery will begin to show signs of degradation after around 500 charge cycles - it will last a year for most users, but if you fully charge and discharge it three times a day, which is possible if you put your mind to it, the overall capacity will be affected within a little over four months. Then there's the question of whether a product is fit for purpose or not, which is the angle of this lawsuit, and a whole different kind of warranty issue. This stuff can get convoluted in a hurry, especially since nobody really reads the policies that come with their products, and companies know this.

 

[pedro702]

People often misunderstand what a "warranty" is. Just because a product is under warranty doesn't mean that you're necessarily entitled to a repair, free or otherwise. Certain kinds of faults are considered natural wear and tear which are not covered by a manufacturer's warranty - analog stick drift could potentially fall under that category. To put it into perspective when you buy a car from a dealer and it has a set of tires, those tires will only be usable for a set amount of miles. If you drive a whole lot, so much that you go through the threads within the warranty period, you can't reasonably expect the manufacturer to replace them for you - they're a replaceable consumable. Similarly, if you tweak your analog stick back and forth 24/7, you can't reasonably expect it to be replaced free of charge because there isn't an analog stick assembly on the planet that could withstand that. There are many other mechanical and electrical faults that are in this grey area of warranties, like the battery. A lithium battery will begin to show signs of degradation after around 500 charge cycles - it will last a year for most users, but if you fully charge and discharge it three times a day, which is possible if you put your mind to it, the overall capacity will be affected within a little over four months. Then there's the question of whether a product is fit for purpose or not, which is the angle of this lawsuit, and a whole different kind of warranty issue. This stuff can get convoluted in a hurry, especially since nobody really reads the policies that come with their products, and companies know this.

well this lawsuit now is nule and void, when nintendo says they will fix every jycon drift for free without even showing proof of concept and refund anyone who paid shipping fee in the past.

 

[Foxi4]

well this lawsuit now is nule and void, when nintendo says they will fix every jycon drift for free without even showing proof of concept and refund anyone who paid shipping fee in the past.

The problem is the underlying bad design and whether or not it was made that way on purpose, not the warranty. You can't do something maliciously and then go "ha, ha, you got me!", that's not how it works. People wasted money and time, they might want damages, and some punitive measures against Nintendo.

 

[DeoNaught]

The problem is the underlying bad design and whether or not it was made that way on purpose, not the warranty. You can't do something maliciously and then go "ha, ha, you got me!", that's not how it works. People wasted money and time, they might want damages, and some punitive measures against Nintendo.

I don't think it was malicious? I think it was just a design oversight, I think if anything they would be sued for not doing anything after two years after the release?

 

[guily6669]

.... A lithium battery will begin to show signs of degradation after around 500 charge cycles...

That depends a lot on the battery quality and user care too...

Li-ion for max cycles should have been charged to 4.1 (some phones like my Xperia Z2 allow that option however its kinda hidden and not even on the battery settings, it clearly states it will make the battery have more cycles but a bit less phone usage time per charge), nowadays most are charged to 4.2 for maximum capacity and depending on how the battery is made too.

Anyway if someone keep removing from the charger and keep charging a lot without doing cycles its usually also not much good to keep over doing it, leaving the battery empty for some time also lead to battery capacity drop very fast and if its heavily used it might never wake up again (this happens a lot to me since I have a shit load of batteries and I won't be spending my whole days keeping them at storage voltage, I have lots of nimh, Nicd, PB, Li-ion, Lipos, Li-fe, it would be hard to keep a gazillion batteries in storage charge which is different for each type (Li-ion storage voltage is at around half charge), however I think only Nicd can be kinda safely left without any charge for long times)...

Also high temps constantly will make the battery to not also give high cycles (specially keeping the battery on the edge of its max amp output and badly chosen models may lead to explosions if it can't handle the discharge like Nvidia, Samsung and many other brands had problems with). But the most problematic is really for vaping on mechanic mods, it should be left for people with knowledge only since the batteries must be carefully chosen, well cared and always calculate the right resistance of the coil to stay within the range of safety for the chosen battery or shit happens like we see on news\youtube, I'm almost sure all the mechanic mod explosion were user fault...

 

[Foxi4]

That depends a lot on the battery quality and user care too...

Li-ion for max cycles should have been charged to 4.1 (some phones like my Xperia Z2 allow that option however its kinda hidden and not even on the battery settings, it clearly states it will make the battery have more cycles but a bit less phone usage time per charge), nowadays most are charged to 4.2 for maximum capacity and depending on how the battery is made too.

Anyway if someone keep removing from the charger and keep charging a lot without doing cycles its usually also not much good to keep over doing it, leaving the battery empty for some time also lead to battery capacity drop very fast and if its heavily used it might never wake up again (this happens a lot to me since I have a shit load of batteries and I won't be spending my whole days keeping them at storage voltage, I have lots of nimh, Nicd, PB, Li-ion, Lipos, Li-fe, it would be hard to keep a gazillion batteries in storage charge which is different for each type (Li-ion storage voltage is at around half charge), however I think only Nicd can be kinda safely left without any charge for long times)...

Also high temps constantly will make the battery to not also give high cycles (specially keeping the battery on the edge of its max amp output and badly chosen models may lead to explosions if it can't handle the discharge like Nvidia, Samsung and many other brands had problems with). But the most problematic is really for vaping on mechanic mods, it should be left for people with knowledge only since the batteries must be carefully chosen, well cared and always calculate the right resistance of the coil to stay within the range of safety for the chosen battery or shit happens like we see on news\youtube, I'm almost sure all the mechanic mod explosion were user fault...

The amount of cycles for a battery is dependant on a number of factors, including full discharge voltage, full charge voltage, maximum discharge current, operational temperature etc., but +/- 500 cycles is considered the industry standard. Even lowering the peak voltage to 4.1V effectively doubles the number of cycles you can get out of it, and it's well-worth the trade-off. Consumer electronics often only charge batteries up to 4.1V, or even 4V specifically for that reason, and looking at the discharge curve there really isn't that much energy stored in that region, voltage drops quickly to nominal under load anyway, so you may as well prolong the life of the cell instead of pushing it to its limit. You will see some variation between one cell and another, even within the same range, so any specific observations can only be made by analysing the cell in question. As for leaving the battery with little to no charge, things are not nearly as bad as they used to be and most lithium batteries can return to operational parameters after a lengthy trickle charge, but as a general rule going below the minimum voltage of 2.6V is discouraged due to the possibility of dendrite formation which can pierce the separators and lead to the cell shorting internally. There's a lot to talk about when it comes to batteries, for sure - there are lots of different chemistries with very different properties under one umbrella of "li-ion". As for potential accidents and improper use, it's always necessary to look up the specs of the cell prior to using it in order to determine whether its characteristics are fit for purpose, but in this case it has to be since it's a dedicated battery.

https://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/how_to_prolong_lithium_based_batteries

 

[guily6669]

Yep, but anyway last time my Nvidia Shield tablet was left without charge it took me almost 2 days for it to show life and even brand new I already had 3 and the 3 did the problem, if the voltage drops below the safety sometimes its just a blackout and not even shows charging light. Most of the times its easy to make it back to life, but the worse 4 me took almost 2 days for it to start showing signs of life .

Also I'm getting huge problem with good Samsung 3000mah Li-ion batteries on my vaping mod, they keep getting very uncalibrated after a few cycles and its screwing my batteries in very low number of cycles, basically one gets overdischarged and the other with a lot of juice and keeps going grrrrr... (the name of the brand says it all "VooPoo", though I like it).

At least switch and almost all phones won't have this problem since they use a single battery, but it totally also happens if they are left unused for long time without charge and the more you do it the worse it gets...

 

[chrisrlink]

fyi i reached out to the lawfirm again to confirm the lawsuit is still active and wether or not having your joycon(s) repaired bumps you off the suit so until i tell you DO NOT TAKE THEIR OFFER if your on the class action

 

[Foxi4]

fyi i reached out to the lawfirm again to confirm the lawsuit is still active and wether or not having your joycon(s) repaired bumps you off the suit so until i tell you DO NOT TAKE THEIR OFFER if your on the class action

The return from a class action lawsuit is going to be significantly less than a new pair of Joycons, just a forward warning.

 

[chrisrlink]

still a good ol middle finger to the big N for all this IP bullshit for non profit fangames