While I agree with many of the points in that I am not entirely sure I go with the underlying logic of some of it, and I am not sure how many opt for such things as a contraceptive or are otherwise "proud". Though I don't find those that would want to claim some kind of pride (though I would wonder if it was pride in going up against those that would call it murder and such, as opposed to the act itself) to have terribly much to be prideful of.
I'm sorry, I can't properly convey the feelings I have, since neglish is not my first language.
What i meant is that I have seen more then one time collectives and others org promote "pride" for the abortion, this span from "I'm not going to hide that I had an abortion" to "You should be proud to have exerted agency on your body"
I am not sure the analogy with the broken wrist works in the way you have it there. By all means "shit happens, use protection/knowledge next time, let us sort it though" but the attempt to draw parallels with consent there don't work. The foetus by definition lacks agency...
I had a discussion with some reddit users who claimed that the basis for the abortion was about the mother not giving consent to the fetus to use their body.
I can't get to calling abortion an evil. At worst I am going with morally neutral.
in my tlanguage it's called "male necessario", that i translated in "necessary evil"; but it means something like "something bad but needed", it's not about morality.
Similarly I have to ask "When you see the actual women who wants to have one, there is no joy in them" do we have data on what goes for different cultures here?
I admit that that part was from my personal experience, from when I had my training in ginecology.
It's not hard data, but I think it's a bit of personal experience that a lot of people lack in this thread.
Sure culturally it changes a lot, and chinese and arabs have a lot of them (some arabs woman use it as a contraceptive method, often performing it without telling it to the spouse; it's taken with pride the fact that they have the proof that they are fertile, but they have often already 3 or 4 child and do not actually want another, plus their culture is not good with contraceptives