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Why don't women closed their legs then ?
Is that a reasonable thing to ask someone to do? The sex drive for most animals is quite high (it is a lot of energy to expend otherwise when sitting under a tree is far more efficient a use of it) and beyond that many find it to be fun and emotionally rewarding. If the previous methods have all failed (possible, though more education prevents many things from getting that far) then why the arbitrary line at firing up the womb vacuum?
 

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Is that a reasonable thing to ask someone to do? The sex drive for most animals is quite high (it is a lot of energy to expend otherwise when sitting under a tree is far more efficient a use of it) and beyond that many find it to be fun and emotionally rewarding. If the previous methods have all failed (possible, though more education prevents many things from getting that far) then why the arbitrary line at firing up the womb vacuum?

Oh brother. If you support Abortion then that's your decision. It is absolutely wrong and it is murder. No matter what you or anybody say. It can be women's bodies but they have no right to killing unborn babies anyway. Absolutely no right at all. They are disgusting human being wanting to killing unborn babies in their wombs. Sad.. Very sad.

It is getting old and many people argument about it. It is not going anywhere. I will say two words: No abortion.
 

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Oh brother. If you support Abortion then that's your decision. It is absolutely wrong and it is murder. No matter what you or anybody say. It can be women's bodies but they have no right to killing unborn babies anyway. Absolutely no right at all. They are disgusting human being wanting to killing unborn babies in their wombs. Sad.. Very sad.

It is getting old and many people argument about it. It is not going anywhere. I will say two words: No abortion.
That's like... your opinion and stuff... I for the other hand don't think it's murder. Since the embryon have yet no sense of life. Women should have control of their own body. If they don't want a crotchgoblin, they should have the right to terminate it.
 

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It is absolutely wrong and it is murder. Absolutely no right at all.
Why? What leads you to thinking that? Such a viewpoint is rather against the grain and I would genuinely like to understand why you hold the opinions you do -- to go against the grain that hard and be that firm in opinions usually means some very different logic is at work and I find that worth exploring. Myself I have contemplated the issue, looked at the thoughts of most moral authorities on the matter, looked at the science of it all and tried to understand things and can't even get close to a position that you appear to hold.
 
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That's like... your opinion and stuff... I for the other hand don't think it's murder. Since the embryon have yet no sense of life. Women should have control of their own body. If they don't want a crotchgoblin, they should have the right to terminate it.

No, it is not an opinion. It is absolutely fact. You don't think it is murder then something's wrong with you. It is absolutely wrong.. Very wrong. No wonder, I look at human being as coward. That's why I am ashamed to be human being because of them.

The women who abortion the unborns are the cowards of all! Absolutely!
 
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No, it is not an opinion. It is absolutely fact. You don't think it is murder then something's wrong with you. It is absolutely wrong.. Very wrong. No wonder, I look at human being as coward. That's why I am ashamed to be human being because of them.

The women who abortion the unborns are the cowards of all! Absolutely!
I suspect you are a man, I think women should have more say in this than men. Just personally speaking.
I don't feel it's murder, nor should any woman.
 

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I suspect you are a man, I think women should have more say in this than men. Just personally speaking.
I don't feel it's murder, nor should any woman.

Then women have no right to have sex with men if women wants to abortion. As I said birth control or condom is the answer. No excuse. No. Women have no more say in this than men. Without men, women can't have a babies. Again, they are the coward if they do that.
 

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Then women have no right to have sex with men if women wants to abortion. As I said birth control or condom is the answer. No excuse. No. Women have no more say in this than men. Without men, women can't have a babies. Again, they are the coward if they do that.
Sigh... you speak with feelings right and not facts?
 

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Sigh... you speak with feelings right and not facts?

Look! Women has a right too but unborn has a right to live:

Mother: “It’s my body!”

Baby: “No! It’s my body!”

Yes, mother and baby are separate individuals from conception. What women does are irresponsible behavior. A unborn is a life -- a gift to be cherished.
 
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Scientifically and logically it's perfectly fine. There's nothing wrong with abortion. It is a choice of a potential future, and that is a huge burden on anyone to make. So understand it is a right of bodily autonomy, a personal decision, and in no way murder.

No, it is not an opinion. It is absolutely fact. You don't think it is murder then something's wrong with you. It is absolutely wrong.. Very wrong. No wonder, I look at human being as coward. That's why I am ashamed to be human being because of them.

The women who abortion the unborns are the cowards of all! Absolutely!
Then women have no right to have sex with men if women wants to abortion. As I said birth control or condom is the answer. No excuse. No. Women have no more say in this than men. Without men, women can't have a babies. Again, they are the coward if they do that.

You are defining something that isn't murder, as murder. Then using this personal definition as a way to think you're morally superior to say very sexist things. It is very obvious you have no idea how sex works or what a healthy and positive relationship with women looks like. Please, learn what consent is, what respect for a significant other is, and what the right to autonomy means. Please.
 
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You are defining something that isn't murder, as murder. Then using this personal definition as a way to think you're morally superior to say very sexist things. It is very obvious you have no idea how sex works or what a healthy and positive relationship with women looks like. Please, learn what consent is, what respect for a significant other is, and what the right to autonomy means. Please.

No, I am serious worry about your future. If you are father and you encourage your wife or girlfriend that it is okay to abortion if she don't want to. A good father ? Absolutely not. I am worry about your future. For me, I love children even if my girlfriend or my wife got rape. I would be hurt badly but I would not encouraged her to aboration it. I would learn to love this baby because baby has a right to life.

Sorry, no. I don't care what you are saying.. and you have no right to tell me but respect mine. I respect you too! HOWEVER... WRONG WRONG AND WRONG! Period. I do respect women and that's their choice and their decision but they are absolutely 100 percent WRONG, period. I am not telling them what to do but I am telling myself in my mind "SMH" and say nothing. It is nor worth to argue because it is not getting anywhere. Thanks for the discussion. Have a good day.
 

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Look! Women has a right too but unborn has a right to live:

Mother: “It’s my body!”

Baby: “No! It’s my body!”

Yes, mother and baby are separate individuals from conception. What women does are irresponsible behavior. A unborn is a life -- a gift to be cherished.
That's stupid... just so stupid...

Also what if the contraceptives don't work?
 

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No, I am serious worry about your future. If you are father and you encourage your wife or girlfriend that it is okay to abortion if she don't want to. A good father ? Absolutely not. I am worry about your future. For me, I love children even if my girlfriend or my wife got rape. I would be hurt badly but I would not encouraged her to aboration it. I would learn to love this baby because baby has a right to life.

Sorry, no. I don't care what you are saying.. and you have no right to tell me but respect mine. I respect you too! HOWEVER... WRONG WRONG AND WRONG! Period. I do respect women and that's their choice and their decision but they are absolutely 100 percent WRONG, period. I am not telling them what to do but I am telling myself in my mind "SMH" and say nothing. It is nor worth to argue because it is not getting anywhere. Thanks for the discussion. Have a good day.
You are using the word "baby". Why? It is not a baby.

Not telling them what to do? Oh good, so you're actually against anti-abortion laws because it's not your choice? Well, there's that I suppose.
 

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You are using the word "baby". Why? It is not a baby.

Not telling them what to do? Oh good, so you're actually against anti-abortion laws because it's not your choice? Well, there's that I suppose.

Trying to bring it back around because I do think there's some sensible discussion to be had.
My question to you: What makes a baby? At what point is it a baby?
 

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Can it also be described as it being a parasite, since it's basically being kept alive thanks to the host until it pops out?
Let's approach it from that angle

probably not the best idea though
 

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Trying to bring it back around because I do think there's some sensible discussion to be had.
My question to you: What makes a baby? At what point is it a baby?
I can tell you about both ends and a bit in-between. At the beginning, a fertilized egg is just a template. Genetic code that is basically a "how-to" to build a human. And seeing as that plan changes in the womb based on environmental factors, it's more of a rough draft of a plan. 1st-draft blueprints, let's call it.

The woman's body provides the resources needed to build the blueprints. It does it slowly, and does it oddly. We are a history of our evolution, and this shows in our embryonic development/blueprint building phase. It takes a pretty long time for the blueprint to look different than most other mammals, actually. Closer to birth you get, the further down the evolutionary chain you go. As our big brain is pretty much our huge unique feature when compared to our closest relatives, this also means it is the last to develop. This happens around the third trimester, or month 7. As we are our brain, it's pretty safe to say the person isn't a person until maybe probably around this point. This is also around the point when a child starts becoming viable (capable of living outside the womb) for similar reasons.

Usually it's near or before this point that most laws are "nah, no abortions past this point". which most everyone is fine with. As for what makes a "baby", I guess that depends on whether you consider a person is their brain or if they're something more...supernatural.
 
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I can tell you about both ends and a bit in-between. At the beginning, a fertilized egg is just a template. Genetic code that is basically a "how-to" to build a human. And seeing as that plan changes in the womb based on environmental factors, it's more of a rough draft of a plan. 1st-draft blueprints, let's call it.

The woman's body provides the resources needed to build the blueprints. It does it slowly, and does it oddly. We are a history of our evolution, and this shows in our embryonic development/blueprint building phase. It takes a pretty long time for the blueprint to look different than most other mammals, actually. Closer to birth you get, the further down the evolutionary chain you go. As our big brain is pretty much our huge unique feature when compared to our closest relatives, this also means it is the last to develop. This happens around the third trimester, or month 7. As we are our brain, it's pretty safe to say the person isn't a person until maybe probably around this point. This is also around the point when a child starts becoming viable (capable of living outside the womb) for similar reasons.

Usually it's near or before this point that most laws are "nah, no abortions past this point". which most everyone is fine with. As for what makes a "baby", I guess that depends on whether you consider a person is their brain or if they're something more...supernatural.
About the brain, funny enough. It's not fully grown until the age of 25. If I remember correct the brain does grow in the baby, but at the age of 3 is when it really starts to grow. That's why you don't really remember stuff from earlier than that. Since your brain wasn't developed completely.
 

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About the brain, funny enough. It's not fully grown until the age of 25. If I remember correct the brain does grow in the baby, but at the age of 3 is when it really starts to grow. That's why you don't really remember stuff from earlier than that. Since your brain wasn't developed completely.
The brain is weird. And I think that happens, because the human body can't birth something with that big of a head XD. So a lot of the cognitive stuff has to happen outside the body. I dunno, is it more of a lvl1 brain at the third trimester you think?

I know we're still figure out what happens and when as far as like, development. I remember hearing when I was younger that you're like, done when you're in your 20s or 30s. But apparently it's more of a shift into different types of development? My knowledge is a bit fuzzy at this point. It's pretty dang exciting stuff to talk about.
 

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