Another School Shooting

[Saiyan Lusitano]

So this time it's at UNCC and I'm just speechless. This shit keeps happening but seems no one cares anymore and that it's "normal". No, banning guns wouldn't be the solution because crooks can buy them from back of a dudes van just as easily so.. more security? Wtf. Do something!

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/uncc-active-shooter-reported-today-live-updates-2019-04-30/

This is frustrating that innocent people keep dying and "life goes on" (as if).

 

[Xzi]

No, banning guns wouldn't be the solution because crooks can buy them from back of a dudes van just as easily so.. more security? Wtf. Do something!

"Criminals would still get guns through obscure means, so we should just make sure the process stays easy for them instead."

We might as well open more gun shops near all school campuses if we're just gonna throw up our hands in resignation even before trying common-sense solutions.

 

[Superbronx]

I'm very horrified this keeps happening. Eventually people are going to become desensitized.What's even more horrifying is I think all of these separate shootings are not random. I think they are all connected. Someone
behind the scenes is orchestrating all of this in an attempt to convince the public we will be safer if they take our guns away. It's all in an effort to disarm us and they don't care who has to die to achieve their objective. This all started long before the current administration took office.

 

[Xzi]

What's even more horrifying is I think all of these separate shootings are not random. I think they are all connected. Someone
behind the scenes is orchestrating all of this in an attempt to convince the public we will be safer if they take our guns away. It's all in an effort to disarm us and they don't care who has to die to achieve their objective. This all started long before the current administration took office.

I don't mean to sound harsh, but a lot of these shooters probably believe the same things. It's easy to justify atrocious acts in retaliation when you believe yourself the victim of some vast conspiracy.

 

[Captain_N]

This has nothing to do with politics. These losers are mad because of some reason and they decide to take it out on others. There are many different reasons. Moat of them have shit upbringings. The decay of the nuclear family takes it toll. The only way to prevent such things is to have future knowledge. aka minority report.

 

[Xzi]

This has nothing to do with politics.

Well, this is also the 'current events' subforum, but saying all shootings have "nothing to do with politics" is disingenuous. It's almost always motivated by an extremist-terrorist mindset, regardless of the shooter's skin color. That mindset can be bred through religion, politics, the internet, a person's environment, or other factors, but white nationalism is undeniably playing an increasing role among those factors in America. Calling out anyone who claims to be a socialist for committing violent acts is great, as long as you're willing to do it for the "other side" too, aka neo-nazi terrorists.

 

[Superbronx]

I don't mean to sound harsh, but a lot of these shooters probably believe the same things. It's easy to justify atrocious acts in retaliation when you believe yourself the victim of some vast conspiracy.

I respect your view on this and you make a valid point. I just wonder, if a man feels himself the victim of a huge conspiracy and it brings him to that point where he feels he has no alternative but to act, wouldn't his cause be better served to walk into a room full of men whom he feels may be responsible either directly or in directly and unload on them instead of a school full of innocent students?

 

[Viri]

This has nothing to do with politics. These losers are mad because of some reason and they decide to take it out on others. There are many different reasons. Moat of them have shit upbringings. The decay of the nuclear family takes it toll. The only way to prevent such things is to have future knowledge. aka minority report.

They want their 30 seconds of fame, and they get it.

 

[lolboy]

What if we all moved to another planet and did not tell the bad guys? They would stay behind and finish off each other.

 

[notimp]

https://edition.cnn.com/2018/05/21/us/school-shooting-us-versus-world-trnd/index.html

This is over a period of 10 years.

I'd say change your education systems, youth culture and ban automatic rifles. But thats just me.

The back of the truck guy, will have less available for 16 year old kids, if they are banned, because of supply and demand. But then you cant have your dudes riling up 300 mexicans at gunpoint at the border without any authority anymore - so, its up to you.

On the other hand, lets say those are 10 victims per school shooting on average, thats 300 victims a year. You could also say its negligent. Which is apparently what happened.

edit: Longer list:

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9/11 btw was 3000 victims, and another one hasnt happened in 10 years, so...
Every year 100 americans are killed by bee stings - so thats your baseline.

Fun with statistics..

 

[VartioArtel]

Let's be real: there's no reason weapons should be so common place, especially anything more than a handgun.

"A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed."

The 2nd amendment doesn't specify anything more than the right to "Keep and Bear Arms". This is for the sake of a **well regulated militia**. But the word militia itself means basically "soldiers" from Latin when you go back far enough, but itself means "military".

Militia itself is defined as
"a military force that is raised from the civil population to supplement a regular army in an emergency."

Here's the thing: a Militia has to be raised from the civil population. What counts as a Militia officially? Well, using Wikipedia, sinful scourge as it is, which does provide a source for its choice of wording:

"Today, as defined by the Militia Act of 1903, the term "militia" is used to describe two classes within the United States:[8]

• Organized militia – consisting of State militia forces; notably, the National Guard and Naval Militia.[9] (Note: the National Guard is not to be confused with the National Guard of the United States.)

Unorganized militia – composing the Reserve Militia: every able-bodied man of at least 17 and under 45 years of age, not a member of the National Guard or Naval Militia.[10]"

So what does this mean? Well, The only ORGANIZED militias (ergo as, quote unquote: "well regulated") are State forces, IE: the National Guard. As such the only groups that have a right to bear arms according to a very strict understanding of the law.

I understand that in the ratified version it lacked the , after "militia" and "arms". HOWEVER, this does nothing as it still clarifies it must be a "well regulated militia". To ignore the first two words I have quoted is to attempt to capitalize on a subsection for personal while ignoring the rest, as it ignores that a Militia IS the "people" upon which have the right to bear arms.

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So now back to the point here. I don't know WHAT weapon this guy used, but the fact it was taken or obtained should be tracked down, the license revoked, and jail time, period.

If he used anything more than a pistol, it goes back to how I started. You do not need more than a handgun for self defense, and it is my personal belief that hunting weapons should be restricted to hunting organizations and carefully watched and managed by the government (seeing as wildlife management IS a national, if not international, issue to prevent overhunting).

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I do honestly feel bad for all the families involved, but I won't deny I am indeed desensitized to the whole issue. It's stupidity. The only reason this keeps happening is greed, and pure stupidity. Stupidity of sellers not doing proper checks. And if they don't do any checks because they aren't mandated by law, they still deserve the flack. If the guy got it from his family, then it begs into question what's the point of a license if you could just hand it over. Etc etc. Ugh.

 

[notimp]

edit: Context: https://www.esquire.com/entertainme...son-22-episode-1-review-school-shooting-stan/

 

[arianadark]

A huge problem is that its way to easy to get guns illegally.

 

[Xzi]

I respect your view on this and you make a valid point. I just wonder, if a man feels himself the victim of a huge conspiracy and it brings him to that point where he feels he has no alternative but to act, wouldn't his cause be better served to walk into a room full of men whom he feels may be responsible either directly or in directly and unload on them instead of a school full of innocent students?

Paranoid/delusional minds don't typically work like that. School shootings usually give the shooter the most infamy, and therefore they probably "strike the biggest blow" against the Illuminati/etc in their mind. Or it's simply the best way to get noticed by the world in general.

It's a decay of America's education system coupled with a complete lack of effective mental health treatment systems in this country. Add in high drug addiction rates, insanely high gun ownership, this is the result.

 

[Superbronx]

Paranoid/delusional minds don't typically work like that. School shootings usually give the shooter the most infamy, and therefore they probably "strike the biggest blow" against the Illuminati/etc in their mind. Or it's simply the best way to get noticed by the world in general.

It's a decay of America's education system coupled with a complete lack of effective mental health treatment systems in this country. Add in high drug addiction rates, insanely high gun ownership, this is the result.

I would like to add to that. It's also a moral decay. As America turns further away from the family, it also turns further away from stability. On average, children are not being brought up with wholesome values. I don't have any statistics but I think it would be safe to say that at least 75% of today's children lack the guidance and direction they require to become stable, functioning adults. They do not receive that guidance in a one parent household. If either the mother or the father are left alone to raise the child, that child grows up at a disadvantage. (A 50% deficit) Without a strong family, you begin to see your foundation erode until eventually the house crumbles.

 

[AkGBA]

I would like to add to that. It's also a moral decay. As America turns further away from the family, it also turns further away from stability. On average, children are not being brought up with wholesome values. I don't have any statistics but I think it would be safe to say that at least 75% of today's children lack the guidance and direction they require to become stable, functioning adults. They do not receive that guidance in a one parent household. If either the mother or the father are left alone to raise the child, that child grows up at a disadvantage. (A 50% deficit) Without a strong family, you begin to see your foundation erode until eventually the house crumbles.

So, divorced, gays, and immigrants families are the cause ?

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You know each other country in the list has as much of those ? Yet quite not the same amount of mass shootings.

 

[Superbronx]

So, divorced, gays, and immigrants families are the cause ?

Not speaking against any particular group that you listed other than divorcees as they are a single parent household and you can extend that to unwed mothers. Although they are not divorced they are still a single parent household.

 

[notimp]

I would like to add to that. It's also a moral decay. As America turns further away from the family, it also turns further away from stability. On average, children are not being brought up with wholesome values. I don't have any statistics but I think it would be safe to say that at least 75% of today's children lack the guidance and direction they require to become stable, functioning adults. They do not receive that guidance in a one parent household. If either the mother or the father are left alone to raise the child, that child grows up at a disadvantage. (A 50% deficit) Without a strong family, you begin to see your foundation erode until eventually the house crumbles.

Daddy, is it you?

This is an example of amazon 4/5 star'ism.
I've done it so/bought it. So it must be good. 4 stars.

(Here are some statistics on amazon reviews:

src: https://minimaxir.com/2014/06/reviewing-reviews/

The average product on Amazon is not a 5 star product. Yet half of the people on amazon believe it is, because they bought it. About 75% of people think every product is 4 or 5 stars - because they bought it.

There is a lesson in this about humanity and believes. )

Stability and attention mostly is enough. You dont have have to reproduce values, or give proper direction, thats just something you do. Also americans are 144 times worse parents than canadians? Fun with statistics. (edit: Oh, I understand, only some - are.. )

 

[Clydefrosch]

I would like to add to that. It's also a moral decay. As America turns further away from the family, it also turns further away from stability. On average, children are not being brought up with wholesome values. I don't have any statistics but I think it would be safe to say that at least 75% of today's children lack the guidance and direction they require to become stable, functioning adults. They do not receive that guidance in a one parent household. If either the mother or the father are left alone to raise the child, that child grows up at a disadvantage. (A 50% deficit) Without a strong family, you begin to see your foundation erode until eventually the house crumbles.

that nonsense is true in every other western nation and only your shithole has this stuff happen all the time.

also, what the fuck do you people think is the source of 'out of a van' blackmarket guns?
if you stop throwing guns out there like it's candies, you also stop the endless flow of weapons to the blackmarket. the second these supplies are limited, prices rise. and the higher those rise, the fewer 'crooks' get to just buy them.

stop acting like anything that wouldn't instantly stop any problem is no solution.

 

[Subtle Demise]

Imagine a world where having police in schools was actually useful. Where they didn't beat up kids for being "disrespectful". Imagine a world where the supreme court hadn't ruled that police have no duty to protect anybody. A world where they didn't hide in their squad cars while a shooting was happening. Makes you wonder why they even exist besides to extort revenue from victimless crimes.

The government and regulations we have now are completely useless for everything, what makes anyone think that adding more will "totally work this time"?

So what does this mean? Well, The only ORGANIZED militias (ergo as, quote unquote: "well regulated") are State forces, IE: the National Guard. As such the only groups that have a right to bear arms according to a very strict understanding of the law.

If that were true, it would read the right if the militia to keep and vear arms, instead of the word people. Why would they have a different definition of people in one amendment than in the rest of the Constitution?