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Hacking Discussion Team Xecuter Attempted to Bribe RetroNX Developers
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As long as they use the code in a manner that follows the licenses, they can do what they want. In the case of GPLv3 which libretro itself is licensed under, they have to release the source code to their derivative work. Some specific cores also prohibit commercial use however, so that might make the whole thing impossible regardless.
This is the crux of the problem with SX OS itself. The problem was never the fact that it is being used commercially, or that people aren't getting 'credit'. It is because they haven't released their source code. If they release the sources, problem solved (at least, from a strictly legal standpoint).
Yes, 100%
But... retail stores stock machines using RA, demolishing the license. Does anything ever happen? lol.
Hyperkin, Cybergadget, Polymega, etc.?
The challenges of defending GPL are pretty well documented, and not just with libretro. I don't think that justifies intentionally ignoring it though. Hyperkin, Cybergadget, Retro-bit and the like all deserve to be critisised just as much as TX. libretro have done their best to bring the issue to light, but they don't have the resources to fight it.
Which is exactly my point. Nothing can/is being done. Doesn't make it right, but it doesn't make it unprecedented.
For those in the back: TX are violating GPL and we all know it. Now what?
fact - m4x said he wanted to see how far it would go
fact - it went as far as him asking for $6000 around page 30 !
that's how very far it went.
and from the first post in this long thread, the tweet by liberto 'Unfortunately for them, m4xw sided with us!' that to me means liberto believed there was a possibilty of him working with TX.
I'm not sure where you are going with that though. People should let it lie because it can't be prevented anyway? All people can do make sure the people well aware of the issues and why it is a problem.
We'd like to think that people understand the issues quite well, but this very forum demonstrates otherwise. The amount of people who still think that the issue with SX is merely the lack of 'credit' given, or the commercial use, or that FOSS is a free-for-all with no conditions, is staggering.
I'm not going anywhere at all with it. I have no solution in mind. If there is demand, TX will supply it, and it is as simple as that.
About a dozen of us have stated in this thread alone how bad SX OS is for the scene. Do you have any ideas? Like smf said: just because you really dislike TX doesn't mean they are going away.
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Not entirely (there's evidence of them using the ARR licensed project nx-hbloader), but yes, for the rest they could resolve it by releasing the source under GPLv3.
the only one i can remember now is The Small Vegetable PatchYeah? What BBS boards would I know you from back in the SNES scenes?
No it doesnt. Saying he sided with them doesn't mean there was any chance of his going the other way. He was interested before he found out exactly what they wanted him to do, and backed out when it became clear it involved stealing code. He asked for the 6k because they had a legitimate business deal, but then tx started telling him to break laws and screw people over.
Well, that's certainly your version of events. Lots of assumptions, have you seen the logs and have some info the rest of us don't?
If not, what you wrote is nothing more than speculation (yes, just like I'm doing now). You don't know what made the deal fall apart, when things started, when they started falling apart, or when things ended. The only proof of a timeline we have is the June 28 discord log (where m4x says he would be happy to work with TX), and a log snippet from the private chat room from August 18, which m4x confirmed were his own words... Lots of conclusions can be drawn from those two indisputable facts (m4x himself posted both things). You certainly painted him as an infallible man up above, but lots of us have drawn conclusions that aren't as black and white as you portray them to be.
What else has m4x posted? His version of events before he retroactively realized that everything was logged...
I don't think that you should claim his flimsy excuses are facts. "The whole thing was just to see how low they would stoop!" - pfft, please... he wanted the cash, and if there were more of it, we would probably have some locked down RetroSX instead of 50 pages of drama. He was visibly surprised after logs were posted, and went on to mock TX for logging despite being such heinous criminals (tell me again why would he be "happy to work with" these people?)
Let's end my post with the usual disclaimer: I am not pro-TX, and I think their theft and sale of FOSS is despicable. Don't buy SX OS.
I should just put that in my signature at this point.
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I never painted him as infallible, I just asked for proof that was he was saying was false since theres people on here acting like they know its not true, and then i pointed out that what the person i responded to said does not show that m4x was lying at all, and is very misleading. The person I was responding to was claiming that the fact he asked for money meant that he couldnt have backed out due to having been asked to do something illegal, and that RA thought he might betray them and give their code to TX.
Question time:
If the deal went through, us non-SXOS users wouldn't be left without RetroArch, aye?
They would have their custom Retro port on SXOS, aye?
And m4x would have money to blow on hookers and dope, aye?
TX could at least talk to the devs or post a bounty, actually..
If the deal went through, us non-SXOS users wouldn't be left without RetroArch, aye?
They would have their custom Retro port on SXOS, aye?
And m4x would have money to blow on hookers and dope, aye?
TX could at least talk to the devs or post a bounty, actually..
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Non SX OS users would be left with no development on RetroArch for the switch as m4xw is the main dev for that platform and according to m4xw he was told to stop working on it if the deal went through.
They would have their own frontend for RetroArch.
Probably.
Problem is that they couldn't do that anyway when it comes to RetroArch, since it's licensed under GPLv3, which would mean making SX OS open source, which they aren't doing.
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