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Wew, by the time I hit page 6 it became a bunch of racial things not even relevant to the topic and certainly not something I'd like to try and change anyone's opinion on...
I'm pulling out before I'm tempted to read more and melt my brain cells.
 
But it wasn't all of them, and an economic collapse wouldn't be as bad as you think. Catastrophic, yes, but not apocalyptic. We might see a huge recession even, but after that we'd see a fucking huge economic boom as everything returns to normal. The thing is, you can't coddle the economy, it will sort itself out. The "invisible hand" is actually just the wants and needs of the consumer, and those wants and needs will set the economy straight.
The economy would no longer exist in its current form if all banking was to collapse. Which might be a good thing in the long-term, I'm not sure, but I'm just saying that there would have been no "recovery" in any sense of the word.

You heavily misunderstand supply and demand economics. There's a reason that Demand-Pull inflation happens, and it's because companies cannot keep up with the increased demand with their supply. Doing that would probably require up to a decade of pre-planning, and that's just not gonna work out. You can't just introduce more money into the customer's hands and not also increase the amount of goods the business have. They're gonna raise prices to make sure that they don't ever run out of goods.
Well it's not like demand for everything magically goes up with wage increases. Everybody still eats the same amount of food they did before. There'd still be a pretty big gap between rich and poor, just not as big. McDonald's employees still wouldn't be able to afford yachts, but they'd no longer be dependent on government assistance either, and that's the big takeaway.
 
The crazy extreme left is a huge problem, Antifa and BLM, they are getting real violent.
Rand Pauls wife has to sleep with a gun. And Rand Paul was assaulted and ended up in a hospital with 6 broken ribs by an angry liberal.

College campuses end up in riots all because a conservative wanted to share his views. Maybe about how Affirmative Action leads to less blacks to graduating because they get mismatched to colleges. They are pushed into a prestigious college to meat quotas by lowering the test standard, but they end up failing all courses because its moving at a pace they can't keep up with, and waste thousands of dollars. And getting rid of affirmative action in California actual lead to more blacks graduating college because they are in colleges that matches their learning pace. Will the extreme left know this view point from a Republican? No, because they are to busy screaming them down and taking Affirmative Action away from Blacks because Republicans are evil.

A Bernie Sanders supporter shot a republican congressman with a rifle. These people think they are doing good for this country. Instead of a simply my beliefs are different from yours they form mobs and attack people.

 
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The crazy extreme left is a huge problem, Antifa and BLM, they are getting real violent.
Please. Two-thirds of terrorist acts in 2017 came from people classified as right-wing extremists, with the remaining ~33% split between Muslim and left-wing terrorist acts.

SPL Center said:
Researchers and journalists for the news site Quartz said they used data compiled by the Global Terrorism Database that has tabulated terrorist events around the world since 1970. The database is supported by the National Consortium for the Study of Terrorism and Responses to Terrorism (START), affiliated with the University of Maryland.

Globally, terrorist attacks dropped from about 17,000 in 2014 to about 11,000 in 2017, including a 40 percent decline in the Middle East, according to Quartz's analysis of the START data.

But the United States has seen a recent surge in terror-related violence, with 65 attacks last year, up from six in 2006, it said.

In a related post last month, Quartz said of 65 terrorism incidents last year in the United States, 37 were “tied to racist, anti-Muslim, homophobic, anti-Semitic, fascist, anti-government or xenophobic motivations.”

https://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch...hirds-us-terrorism-tied-right-wing-extremists

Again, nobody is endorsing any form of extremism, but that doesn't mean we should ignore the facts on where it's coming from and how many attacks there have been. Right-wingers are obviously going to feel emboldened to live out whatever ghoulish power fantasies they might have with "their guy" in office.
 
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Please. Two-thirds of terrorist acts in 2017 came from people classified as right-wing extremists, with the remaining ~33% split between Muslim and left-wing terrorist acts.
I don't know, the GTD doesn't have an entry about the teenagers in Chicago kidnapping an autistic boy and screaming "FUCK DONALD TRUMP" with him tied up while they beat him so I'm not sure how accurate it is when it comes to recording both left versus right terrorist incidents.

And the weird thing is about your source, is that I did the exact same search on the GTD while checking all the criteria for terrorism and excluding ambiguous cases, while also including unsuccessful attacks, and lo and behold, there are 49 total incidents in 2017 in the USA. Yes, there are very many right wing terrorist incidents, but most of them amount to vandalism. What I really find funny is things where the only evidence was a note which just screams insurance fraud to me. Taking those out of the equation, as well as the unknowns, you have 28 total terror attacks where the group of the perpetrator isn't a guess or isn't known. The thing is most of the right wing stuff on here is terrorism for sure, but some retard shooting a pellet gun at a mosque's windows? That's 3 of the right wing terrorist attacks. Islamic and left wing is on average more violent and cause more deaths than right wing terrorism.

Also I disagree with this report's classification of the incel. He was mentally ill and was very lonely, classifying himself as an incel. Because of this, he probably gravitated towards many of the more nasty political groups on the right just so he could feel accepted. Do I think he was a white supremacist? I don't know, but he definitely joined these groups and repeated these ideas due to social ostracization. When you see incel, don't think "oh man a white supremacist" or "oh what a loser", invite them to play a fucking match of fortnite or something and build them up, because they're putting up a false facade of hate to mask their loneliness. That's how you fix most issues in life. Tirade over.

And I have to ask, when ANTIFA arrives and starts attacking groups like the Proud Boys and Patriot Prayer or even people who aren't part of a group it isn't considered a terrorist attack? How much do you want to bet that this will be included in 2018's terrorist report if they don't add literal kidnapping and torture of autistic people to their list?
 
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So, this apparently happened.
Fox News cries wolf on Antifa for the nth time, with the only crazy person in sight being right wing neo-nazi proud boys founder Gavin Mcinnes swinging a sword (and police just letting him drive off).


Also, about 20 more of his proud boys attacking 3 people.
But yeah, the left is so bad and scary.
Right from their Facebook page: Failed to fetch tweet https://twitter.com/leftkist/status/1050973870511939584
 
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So, this apparently happened.
Fox News cries wolf on Antifa for the nth time, with the only crazy person in sight being right wing neo-nazi proud boys founder Gavin Mcinnes swinging a sword (and police just letting him drive off).
https://twitter.com/FoxNews/status/1050953019708375041

Also, about 20 more of his proud boys attacking 3 people.
But yeah, the left is so bad and scary.
Right from their Facebook page: https://twitter.com/leftkist/status/1050973870511939584
Do you realize how annoying you are? The video shows no proof that they started what happened but they sure as hell finished it.
 
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Do you realize how annoying you are? The video shows no proof that they started what happened but they sure as hell finished it.
Annoying? Of course the truth is annoying. It always interferes with your bullshit narratives.

But of course, you are saying the most likely story here is three people just viciously attack a group of 20! people known for their violent behavior, out of the blue, despite them being just 3 and unarmed and everything. So all the poor selfidentifying neo nazi white nationalists did was they defend themselves while sluring like the neo nazi scum they are, ultimately kicking people as they lay on the ground and then boast about it on their online meeting place.
That is what you believe happened here. Because what else would you believe when you're the same type of scum as they are.

And your propaganda network implying that violent left wing protesters were bringing out swords, when it clearly was the right, that is not at all concerning. And doesn't put the whole right wing 'antifa is terrorism' fear campaign into perspective.
 
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Annoying? Of course the truth is annoying. It always interferes with your bullshit narratives.

But of course, you are saying the most likely story here is three people just viciously attack a group of 20! people known for their violent behavior, out of the blue, despite them being just 3 and unarmed and everything. So all the poor selfidentifying neo nazi white nationalists did was they defend themselves while sluring like the neo nazi scum they are, ultimately kicking people as they lay on the ground and then boast about it on their online meeting place.
That is what you believe happened here. Because what else would you believe when you're the same type of scum as they are.

And your propaganda network implying that violent left wing protesters were bringing out swords, when it clearly was the right, that is not at all concerning. And doesn't put the whole right wing 'antifa is terrorism' fear campaign into perspective.
What's annoying are your lies and the propaganda you spread. The left are much more violent than the right has ever been. The left verbally and physically attack people who don't agree with their ridiculous and violent rhetoric, destroy private property, block traffic, promote illegal immigrants swarming into the country, etc. The proud boys are not neo-nazi's and have different racial groups in their organization. The only scum is antifa, black lives matter, and the people who agree with their ideology. American patriots and European patriots have waited long enough and we will defend ourselves. The left hates white people and I am here to say that I am a proud white man as well and I have no guilt but pride in my race and my country.
 
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What's annoying are your lies and the propaganda you spread. The left are much more violent than the right has ever been. The left verbally and physically attack people who don't agree with their ridiculous and violent rhetoric, destroy private property, block traffic, promote illegal immigrants swarming into the country, etc. The proud boys are not neo-nazi's and have different racial groups in their organization. The only scum is antifa, black lives matter, and the people who agree with their ideology. American patriots and European patriots have waited long enough and we will defend ourselves. The left hates white people and I am here to say that I am a proud white man as well and I have no guilt but pride in my race and my country.
You don't get to cry about Antifa if you're saying we should support another extremist group. You don't get to bully others and then claim yourself as the victim. I'm fully aware that the Republican leadership uses this tactic all the time, but the general populace isn't supposed to be as ass-backward as congress is.

If you support extremism in any form, you're encouraging extremism in opposition to that as well. Hypocrisy and double-standards won't benefit you in the end.
 
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You don't get to cry about Antifa if you're saying we should support another extremist group. You don't get to bully others and then claim yourself as the victim. I'm fully aware that the Republican leadership uses this tactic all the time, but the general populace isn't supposed to be as ass-backward as congress is.

If you support extremism in any form, you're encouraging extremism in opposition to that as well. Hypocrisy and double-standards won't benefit you in the end.
When have I said that I or anyone should support extremism?
 
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When have I said that I or anyone should support extremism?
You just said you're all for the "Proud Boys" attacking people without provocation, like what occurred in New York. Basically you're just mirroring Fox News' opinion when they tried to frame these nutjobs as the victims. Well, first they tried to suggest that the Proud Boys were Antifa, and then switched to the victim narrative when that lie didn't work.
 
You just said you're all for the "Proud Boys" attacking people without provocation, like what occurred in New York. Basically you're just mirroring Fox News' opinion when they tried to frame these nutjobs as the victims. Well, first they tried to suggest that the Proud Boys were Antifa, and then switched to the victim narrative when that lie didn't work.
I said that I don't know who started the fight but it looked like the Proud Boys finished it. I never said that I supported people fighting in any way. Don't make assumptions. It would be better next time to ask if that was my intention.
 
I said that I don't know who started the fight but it looked like the Proud Boys finished it. I never said that I supported people fighting in any way. Don't make assumptions. It would be better next time to ask if that was my intention.
Still sounds like praise to me, but that's fine if you want to walk it back. Both sides of the political spectrum are equally capable of buying into an extremist mindset, and the 'Proud Boys' fit that distinction just as well as Antifa. FYI the Proud Boys have ludicrous restrictions on masturbation (although butt stuff is apparently fine), they walk around chanting the names of cereal brands, and their leader showed up with a sword at this event, supposedly to recreate a historical Japanese murder on stage. They've all gone off the deep end, and that's what makes them dangerous.
 
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Still sounds like praise to me, but that's fine if you want to walk it back. Both sides of the political spectrum are equally capable of buying into an extremist mindset, and the 'Proud Boys' fit that distinction just as well as Antifa. FYI the Proud Boys have ludicrous restrictions on masturbation (although butt stuff is apparently fine), they walk around chanting the names of cereal brands, and their leader showed up with a sword at this event, supposedly to recreate a historical Japanese murder on stage. They've all gone off the deep end, and that's what makes them dangerous.
It seems like you are making an assumption that I somehow support the Proud Boys? I don't. I don't know enough about them to even give it any thought. I agree with you that both political parties are capable of having extreme mindsets. No doubt about it.
 
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The left treats antifa thugs like they aren't a problem. Then they pretend to give the opposite treatment whenever a nutcase from the right does the same thing. And then they're surprised when the middleground shifts to the right.
 
It seems like you are making an assumption that I somehow support the Proud Boys? I don't.
Okay, I was just kinda wondering because this post:

What's annoying are your lies and the propaganda you spread. The left are much more violent than the right has ever been. The left verbally and physically attack people who don't agree with their ridiculous and violent rhetoric, destroy private property, block traffic, promote illegal immigrants swarming into the country, etc. The proud boys are not neo-nazi's and have different racial groups in their organization. The only scum is antifa, black lives matter, and the people who agree with their ideology. American patriots and European patriots have waited long enough and we will defend ourselves. The left hates white people and I am here to say that I am a proud white man as well and I have no guilt but pride in my race and my country.
Seemed to imply you thought it was only the left/Antifa which is capable of extremism. I also don't agree with the idea that the left "hates white people," they've made a white person president all but one time, and we still have a lot of white people left in the various branches too. The right isn't threatened only by racial equality in politics/law though, they're also threatened by gender equality. You can't always take everybody's feelings into account, but I think the victim mentality is driven largely by various online/cable right-wing media outlets.

The left treats antifa thugs like they aren't a problem. Then they pretend to give the opposite treatment whenever a nutcase from the right does the same thing. And then they're surprised when the middleground shifts to the right.
You could shift around a couple words and it would make just as much, if not more sense:
The right treats proud boys thugs like they aren't a problem. Then they pretend to give the opposite treatment whenever a nutcase from the left does the same thing. And then they're surprised when the middleground shifts to the left.
Not that this is necessarily true. However, left-leaning viewpoints are a vast majority in this country. They just don't often come out to vote in big enough numbers, especially in mid-terms. At least it looks like they have a good shot at taking a majority in Congress, maybe some state governor's races. I suppose in the end it depends on how, to steal a phrase, rigged the election turns out to be.
 
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