School shooting @ Great Mills Md high school today

[LittleFlame]

Bit in poor taste, wouldn't you think?

Unfortunate to see another shooting happen again so soon. Though it's nice to hear no one was killed and the shooter was stopped.

no, what's in poor taste here is the fact that these things happen so often yet people are defending gun laws

 

[Kioku]

You're welcome /s


Mental issues are the scapegoat for everything in the modern society, like e.g. that pilot that decided to park the German Wings plane into the Alps. The problem of using mental issues as scapegoating, as you see, is not only American.

Of course there are "mental issues", but the mental issues themselves are not the base problem, it is not a problem of the part (the defective human with mental issues), it is a systemic problem (the society as it is is turning people nuts). And IMHO, guns are a relevant part of this systemic problem in America.


Well done, as I said before, IMHO you should have armed security personal around schools, considering the state of things in the late months. <link to previous comment here, if I happen no to be lazy later and carry on a forum search>

Mental issues are the scapegoat? Really now... What's actually being used here...

 

[LittleFlame]

What's actually being used here...

A gun?

 

[sarkwalvein]

Mental issues are the scapegoat? Really now... What's actually being used here...

There is a base problem in society that causes mental issues.
People with mental issues are not defective, the way of life turns people crazy.
There is a systemic problem, that makes the part defective, and you are ignoring the systemic problem by blaming the part, i.e. mental issues is a scapegoat that helps you ignore the real problem.

 

[8BitWonder]

no, what's in poor taste here is the fact that these things happen so often yet people are defending gun laws

You're free to your own opinion, just as I'm free to mine; To see people bickering about gun laws, and teasing about the frequency of shootings on the very first page of this thread after it just happened is downright messed up.
Really gets my goat, but in the end that doesn't really matter and people will continue anyway.

 

[dimmidice]

Media hype spawns copycats. Get your infamy here, young man. Blaze 'o glory.

Ah of course, it's the medias fault.

Edit: oh and guess what CNN does mention the way the shooter was stopped.

I'm going to be blunt.

When are you not?

 

[Hanafuda]

Australia had gun laws once.
They decided that citizens aren't allowed to carry firearms anymore and the criminal rates including firearms went down.
Massively as well.

I can understand wanting a pistol to protect your property, but does it have to be a military semi-auto rifle?

Well, there's more going on there than just a change in gun laws. The US has seen even more dramatic drops in violent crime (the usual kind, not isolated mass shootings) since the 90's than Australia, while guns have been selling like hotcakes.

http://thefederalist.com/2015/09/03/the-australian-gun-ban-conceit/

Yes, as with the gun-happy United States, the murder rate is down in Australia. It’s dropped 31 percent from a rate of 1.6 per 100,000 people in 1994 to 1.1 per 100,000 in 2012.But it’s the only serious crime that saw a consistent decline post-ban.

In fact, according to the Australian government’s own statistics, a number of serious crimes peaked in the years after the ban. Manslaughter, sexual assault, kidnapping, armed robbery, and unarmed robbery all saw peaks in the years following the ban, and most remain near or above pre-ban rates. The effects of the 1996 ban on violent crime are, frankly, unimpressive at best.

It’s even less impressive when again compared to America’s decrease in violent crime over the same period. According to data from the U.S. Justice Department, violent crime fell nearly 72 percent between 1993 and 2011. Again, this happened as guns were being manufactured and purchased at an ever-increasing rate.

 

[the_randomizer]

Remind me why politicians won't grow a sodding pair and agree that we need stricter gun laws again, you know, instead of being a bunch of pussies about it? This is getting absolutely asinine.

Edit: I should note that I have zero remorse for the shooter, and I'm glad the little dumbass is dead. He choose to be a shooter, and he paid the price for being a turd.

 

[vinstage]

by shooting the shooter, with a GUN, before he shot anyone else

'murica, f yeah.

 

[the_randomizer]

'murica, f yeah.

Serves the gunman right, little dingus clearly was mentally unstable. This is why we absolutely need stricter gun control and mental health background checks; remind me why Congress is being timid?

 

[LittleFlame]

Fun fact: The 2nd Amendment was made with muskets in mind so logically y'all should be carrying about Muskets and Musket Pistols instead of Military Grade Pistols and Assault Rifles

 

[Hanafuda]

'murica, f yeah.

United States is based on guns.

 

[Olmectron]

Also notice that there are millions of guns roaming the US and that if gun laws were restricted then people would start selling their guns on the black market because they know they will make a lot of money and then it puts even less restrictions on the sales of guns. Interesting.

Mexico has a very BIG black market of guns, since they are hard to get legally here, even for an adult.

People dies everyday in narco-attacks on the streets, but at least, school shootings are not really a problem here, since they happen a lot less than in USA. And I mean A LOT LESS.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/School_shooting#Mexico

 

[vinstage]

Serves the gunman right, little dingus clearly was mentally unstable. This is why we absolutely need stricter gun control and mental health background checks; remind me why Congress is being timid?

You don't even know how much I agree, I've been arguing this for a while but you sort of realise no body listens and give up.
https://twitter.com/mrmuselk/status/624617544561725440

United States is based on guns.

It's true, it could be a religion honestly.

 

[the_randomizer]

Fun fact: The 2nd Amendment was made with muskets in mind so logically y'all should be carrying about Muskets and Musket Pistols instead of Military Grade Pistols and Assault Rifles

At the same time, people were never meant to possess AR-15's, but here we are. WTF do people need such large firearms? I'm all for responsible and legal firearm ownership, don't get me wrong. But we absolutely need stricter laws and prevent these crazy people from getting them, or at least, a helluva lot harder for them to obtain them. People have a right to self defense to protect their family and homes, yes, but come on.

You don't even know how much I agree, I've been arguing this for a while but you sort of realise no body listens and give up.
https://twitter.com/mrmuselk/status/624617544561725440


It's true, it could be a religion honestly.

Okay? Blaming religion is a pretty lousy accusation, it's just an excuse and not representative of all religious people, unfair bias.

 

[Xzi]

Don't be petty. Another case of mental issues going ignored. Blame the guns all you want, you look foolish.

I'm going to blunt. A lot of you are part of the problem. Especially the ones that don't even live in this country but think they have a right to a political opinion about it. The first thing you'll look at is the tool used. I understand that there may be too many guns floating around here. I also know that you don't just wake up and decide to shoot up a school. Shit is happening to push these students to make such rash decisions. Of course, you don't see that. Nope, you want to fuel your fucked up agendas. Seriously..

It's a circular argument. Republicans aren't going to do anything about mental health issues or gun laws if it means spending a single red cent that would've gone to the NRA or another corporate entity instead. That's why I kinda hate hearing the mental health argument now, it's more just a way to dismiss the conversation. If mental health truly is the problem, we need to put the blame square on Reagan and undo the damage he did so long ago.

 

[Gingerbread Crumb]

Your laws dont matter especially to a criminal. Anyway im just glad he was stopped. This is the type of security schools need when a dude with nothing going for him decides he wants attention.

 

[Xzi]

Your laws dont matter especially to a criminal.

This isn't an argument at all. Of course criminals ignore laws. That doesn't mean our reaction should be to legalize murder and everything else.

 

[vinstage]

Your laws dont matter especially to a criminal.

Laws don't matter to a criminal. Of course they don't, otherwise they're not a criminal LMAO.
They do matter in regards to their access to the offending weaponry however.

This is the type of security schools need when a dude with nothing going for him decides he wants attention.

Usually they're either mentally ill or psychologically due to circumstances/culture/natural environments their minds can even mistake it for a trend. However note the usually, I'm not denying the possibility of attention seeking.

 

[Pacheko17]

I'm glad the shooter was stopped. I just hope nobody dies.

And I really hope liberals will not start calling for guns to be banned again...