Hacking fail0verflow releases coldboot exploit proof of concept

[asialsky]

Actually, FSD's LiNK system is a really neato implementation of Syslink multiplayer.
X-link Kai, annoying to set up but working miracles.
Hamachi is something I wouldn't trust.
Exposing your network to a stranger...

Dedicated game servers have to be paid for.
Once there's to little people playing to keep it profitable, they simply disappear.
Cycle of life in the multiplayer world ;/

Nah. Hamachi can be a little laggy (200ms ping), but if it's only being used with people you're already familiar with, the risk is minimal.
/offtopic

 

[NostalgicMillennial]

And then there's those of us who just want homebrew/mods. Who needs to pirate when you have a job to pay for games?

This. absolutely this. It's a bit troubling that we have potential piracy in the first main year of the life span of the switch.

Homebrew and emulators on the go will be grand but maybe piracy should wait a year or two. Once this system is hacked to hell (especially softmod chipless) smaller devs will to abandon it and focus on PS4 Xbone.

I've seen so many games on Steam on the Switch eShop and that makes me excited for 3rd party developer support. Hoping that this won't scare them away

 

[asialsky]

...smaller devs will to abandon it and focus on PS4 Xbone.

Um, no?
PS4 is probable, but nobody new is going after XBone because of the UWP dev mode nonsense. Devs who are anti-piracy are perfectly content to just write programs as a UWP package.

For proof, just look at RetroArch's UWP port.

 

[DinohScene]

This. absolutely this. It's a bit troubling that we have potential piracy in the first main year of the life span of the switch. Homebrew and emulators on the go would be grand but maybe piracy should wait a year or two. Once this system is hacked to hell smaller devs will to abandon it and focus on PS4 Xbone.

The piracy userbase is small.
The DS was a massive success and was plagued by piracy.
Same for the PSP, who despite the piracy, did amazing with some amazing games (2 GTA titles even)

Nah. Hamachi can be a little laggy (200ms ping), but if it's only being used with people you're already familiar with, the risk is minimal.
/offtopic

True that, it's also about trusting the other indeed.

 

[The Real Jdbye]

No idea, I don't know what the bug is itself other than its something to do with the bootloader/boot sequence. The boot can be ipatched at factory, no hardware revision necessary but we don't know if that is enough to fix it. It could be a serious issue that has to have hardware changed, it could not.



I assume that to be marketing bull. Its unpatchable on current systems, not on future systems. Its the best kind of marketing, "technical marketing".

Obviously they mean unpatchable in software, but that's still better than any software exploit that currently exists.

 

[snoofly]

I for one assume from f0f’s latest tweet that they WILL release their exploit, right after TX come out with their modchip solution.
After all, why make the point No Modchip needed?
Surely that’s a direct threat to TX to say we have a free solution up our sleeve, and assuming they dislike people making money out of piracy more than any other factor, would feel obliged to steal their thunder if required.

BTW in case anyone missed it I see qlutoo’s got a boot rom exploit also
https://twitter.com/qlutoo/status/953260267823157248
Not sure if it’s the same method as f0f’s
Bootromhax are getting like 10 a penny these days.

 

[Foxi4]

Get a DS + a flashcard.
Install Devkit Pro and write a simple hello world.
Doesn't matter how ugly it is.
@Foxi4 has made a simple "valwinator" homebrew on the DS.
Remember Aurora wright?
She didn't know shit about programming neither before she started Luma.

I did a lot more than that, but Valwinator was pretty funny. RIP sweet prince.

 

[SoslanVanWieren]

Just because they won't release anything it isn't like they can change their minds and yeah other hackers are going to find the flaw they are using sooner or later.

 

[smf]

Just because they won't release anything it isn't like they can change their minds and yeah other hackers are going to find the flaw they are using sooner or later.

In the mean time Nintendo are on notice to fix it. They may already have fixed it, which could leave us in the same situation as boot2 on wii.

 

[tivanh]

I for one assume from f0f’s latest tweet that they WILL release their exploit, right after TX come out with their modchip solution.
After all, why make the point No Modchip needed?
Surely that’s a direct threat to TX to say we have a free solution up our sleeve, and assuming they dislike people making money out of piracy more than any other factor, would feel obliged to steal their thunder if required.

BTW in case anyone missed it I see qlutoo’s got a boot rom exploit also
https://twitter.com/qlutoo/status/953260267823157248
Not sure if it’s the same method as f0f’s
Bootromhax are getting like 10 a penny these days.

The future scene as of today, irrespective of if you like it or not, belongs to tx.

A reputable team offering an all in solution. How can we go wrong? Right.

If someone wants to halt profit for piracy, its quite simple. Kill it now.

You say you got the ammo, i know you got to the ammo, so fire now while the other troops are getting in line to fire. Or wait and let gateway.... i mean team executer take the front seat. You don't get to set the time frame on this journey regardless of ego or morals, you get a chance at going down in the history of this journey at the place you choose depending on your behaviour.

The cat is out of the bag so to speak. It here. Bootrom softmod or hardmod. There is no higher ground for the end user. Shit or get of the potty, otherwise don't winge of the smell of the guy before you, when you had plenty of time to shit first.

End user..... heaven has cast a rainbow on us with a pot of gold at each end. Relax and wait. The switch is done. Full stop.

Homebrew and backups is around the corner. Nintendo will do a hardware review that will itself get hacked down the road. Meanwhile sales in their percentage will increase or decrease by normal standards as they are not related to or dictated to by piracy.

Good times for some. Who cares from others. My butts hurt because i take a higher moral highground from others, etc.

We all need to get over ourselves. Smile, laugh, be happy...

 

[tivanh]

Lets not forget either, that a hardmod halted in its tracks is not going to stop the dynamics of 'pay for piracy'. There is never a shortage of so called noods that are scared of even the simplest task and will pay some hero good price for just a minutes work. We see it in all the scenes and know all the justifications. Hell, i know people still charging a 50 for 3ds setup without anything exchanging hands but the software mod... Shit atleast give them the ds cart.... but non of my business.

 

[snoofly]

Whether the scene will belong to TX or not depends on whether the others with a free bootrom hack will be prepared to release it in a timely manner.
But yeah, whatever way, the rainbow does not appear to be diminishing anytime soon and for the end users it all looks like the shit will eventually smell of roses one way or another.
My bet is this time next week we will know quite a bit more on how things may pan out.

 

[Soluble]

Lets not forget either, that a hardmod halted in its tracks is not going to stop the dynamics of 'pay for piracy'. There is never a shortage of so called noods that are scared of even the simplest task and will pay some hero good price for just a minutes work. We see it in all the scenes and know all the justifications. Hell, i know people still charging a 50 for 3ds setup without anything exchanging hands but the software mod... Shit atleast give them the ds cart.... but non of my business.

Not dissimilar to the AU$50 people were charging to mod a NES and SNES mini? It's a 10 minute job... People still pay!

 

[snoofly]

Lets not forget either, that a hardmod halted in its tracks is not going to stop the dynamics of 'pay for piracy'. There is never a shortage of so called noods that are scared of even the simplest task and will pay some hero good price for just a minutes work. We see it in all the scenes and know all the justifications. Hell, i know people still charging a 50 for 3ds setup without anything exchanging hands but the software mod... Shit atleast give them the ds cart.... but non of my business.

That's a good point. I tend to forget the bulk of people would be OK to get their console 'chipped' as we used to say and not actually get too involved in a scene and be aware of other options.

 

[Soluble]

That's a good point. I tend to forget the bulk of people would be OK to get their console 'chipped' as we used to say and not actually get too involved in a scene and be aware of other options.

Correct. There's still a whole generation outside of this that sees it as THE solution.

 

[Tempest228]

I for one assume from f0f’s latest tweet that they WILL release their exploit, right after TX come out with their modchip solution.
After all, why make the point No Modchip needed?
Surely that’s a direct threat to TX to say we have a free solution up our sleeve, and assuming they dislike people making money out of piracy more than any other factor, would feel obliged to steal their thunder if required.

BTW in case anyone missed it I see qlutoo’s got a boot rom exploit also
https://twitter.com/qlutoo/status/953260267823157248
Not sure if it’s the same method as f0f’s
Bootromhax are getting like 10 a penny these days.

If they want to rain on TX parade, they would need to also have a way to get to the point of installing bootrom exploit from nothing on 4.1. That is the same service TX is offering with their modchip.

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Whether the scene will belong to TX or not depends on whether the others with a free bootrom hack will be prepared to release it in a timely manner.
But yeah, whatever way, the rainbow does not appear to be diminishing anytime soon and for the end users it all looks like the shit will eventually smell of roses one way or another.
My bet is this time next week we will know quite a bit more on how things may pan out.

Exactly, f0f will need to put up with a way to their bootrom hack or TX will have it.

 

[Nirim000]

it's clearly a harmod the hardware side is simple enough they just slightly modify a ftdi friend from adafruit(sorry my old account was deleted due to inactivity so google it.) to run code from a computer trough the joycon connection, on the plus side no need to open the switch but without the good code the adapter will do noting.

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Edit: the spam filter and the preview just cause me problem with the image too just reformatting my post

 

[SoslanVanWieren]

does not matter if they don't release it other hackers can still figure out on there own how these exploits work.

 

[Nirim000]

does not matter if they don't release it other hackers can still figure out on there own how these exploits work.

the open source part of the community do the code side all the time, Fail0verflow just show all there is to the Hard part(if you want to call it hard) it's just a question of time for someone else to figure their hack.

 

[NoNAND]

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