London Terror Attack(s)

[UltraDolphinRevolution]

@TheDarkGreninja: I was to Haider Raza but of course I'm also interested in why you believe Islam is true.

To quickly respond to your points:
-Isn't the Quran (even it's heavenly version) written in Arabic? What a coincidence that God calls the people from which Islam emerged the best of people. Just as the Jewish religion says the Jews are "the chosen people". So much creativity. If I were to invent a religion I surely wouln't make God speak German make him laud the German people.
-Yes, kings often had many wives. But alliances was only part of the reason. Men like to f*ck many women. And women prefer powerful men. Look at nature.
Do you think the bond between Abu Bakr and Muhammad would have been any weaker if he hadn't offered the vagina of his young daughter?
-And why is the number of wives for Muhammad in the Quran anyways? It's full of situational stuff. Whenever people link terrorism and Quran, you say warfare was only for that context. Then why even include random stuff like that in the Quran? Couldn't Allah make Muhammad differentiate between 2 books: the situational stuff and the eternal wisdom of God or sth like that. Allah is all-knowing. He knows that currently innocent people (including children) die by terrorists on a weekly basis BECAUSE OF MISINTERPRETATION. Then why isn't the Quran clearer? Even though it claims to be it is anything but clear. It doesn't even have an order...
-I was referring to Surah 33:53.
"Believers, enter not the houses of the Prophet without his permission,95nor wait for a meal to be prepared; instead enter when you are invited to eat,96 and when you have had the meal, disperse. Do not linger in idle talk.97 That is hurtful to the Prophet but he does not express it out of shyness; but Allah is not ashamed of speaking out the Truth. And if you were to ask the wives of the Prophet for something, ask from behind a curtain. That is more apt for the cleanness of your hearts and theirs.98 It is not lawful for you to cause hurt to Allah's Messenger,99 nor to ever marry his wives after him.100 Surely that would be an enormous sin in Allah's sight."
-> One of the strongest evidence that the Quran is man-made. It's so funny, why is this in the heavenly book?!
"God doesn't want you to stare at my bitches" "God wants you to go home" XD

 

[StarTrekVoyager]

A better question would be: why would all the ultimate truth be in a random book from years ago?

 

[TotalInsanity4]

These are now daily terror attacks, this time back in london
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...ursery-worker-stabbed-three-women-London.html

I dont think these were "asian" woman, but it seems calling then asian is like the pc version of calling someone a muslim in the EU and controlling the narrative like we saw in the westminster bridge attack http://www.dailywire.com/news/14688/british-parliament-terror-attack-underscores-ben-shapiro

I have SERIOUS doubts that this one is actually related to Islam; that looks like a group of shitheads looked at the news, thought it was funny, got together and attacked a random unsuspecting woman. There seems to be no planning or logic behind it

 

[UltraDolphinRevolution]

Or maybe it was revenge. Doesn't seem like a terror attack. She was badly hurt but I think they could have easily killed her and others (which they didn't).

The one in Kabul with 150 dead people (and many more injured) was a terror attack, however.
Also the double attack in Tehran today.

 

[Onepunchbruh]

So you argue that the Quran mentions the big bang, the expanding of the universe and the eventual retraction of it. I don't recall a Ayat talking about the retraction. Would provide the verse, please?

Quran 36:38
And the sun runs [on course] toward its stopping point. That is the determination of the Exalted in Might, the Knowing.

(Tirmidhi, Fitan, 22)
“I entered the mosque while the sun was setting. The Messenger of Allah (pbuh) was sitting. He said to me, “O Abu Dharr! Do you know where the sun is going?” I said, ‘Allah and His Messenger knows’. He said, ‘It is going in order to take permission for prostration, and it is given permission. One day, it will be commanded, ‘Rise from here’ and it will rise in the place where it sets." Then, the Messenger of Allah (pbuh) read this verse: ‘And the Sun runs his course for a period determined for him.’(Ya Seen, 36:38).”

Let's look at the verse that allegedly speaks of the big bang:
"Have those who disbelieved not considered that the heavens and the earth were a joined entity, and We separated them and made from water every living thing? Then will they not believe?" (21:30)
a) Note that the plural "heavens" actually refers to the 7 heavens (each of them containing different things, e.g. the prophets). I don't know any scientist who speaks of 7 heavens.
b) What does it mean that heaven and earth were separated? Couldn't Allah be more precise? After all, Arabic is his favorite language.
c) The separation of heaven(s) and earth is not a unique thing. Other creation myths believed the same thing, even way before Muhammad.

They will surely get it. Heavens are kinda layers each containing billion, trillions of galaxies. We don't know the exact number but yeah in a hadith it explains it takes 500years to go to secong heaven. Every layer takes 500years. At what speed? We don't know only Allah knows. Surely we are not the only creation. There are more of course. While Christians don't believe that they think Jesus a Man was God so there is no other creation then mankind. There might be more but we are limited to our knowledge to just our star. Our earthly life is limited. Surely the day of judgment will come & people who done wrong will be punishment depending on there own doings. As you might know why we are here. Angels don't have free will & we have free will etc. We came here for a period of time. After death there will be only rewards & punishments. Note God won't give reward to the people who ignored him & done wrong. Sorry don't get emotional by it if you want to be blind till your death.

Also who told you Arabic is Allah's favorite language?

Quran Chapter 16 Verse 36
To every nation We sent a Messenger who told its people, "Worship God and stay away from satan." Some of them were guided by God and others were doomed to go astray. Travel through the land and see how terrible was the end for those who rejected the truth!

So they 124000 Prophets all spoke arabic? Every nation spoke arabic?

Did these prophets also spoke language?
Harun (Aaron)
Ibrahim (Abraham)
Aadam (Adam)
Da'ud (David)
Ilias (Elijah)
Alyasa (Elisha)
Idris (Enoch)
Dhul-kifi (Ezekiel)
Hud (Eber)
Is'haq (Isaac)
Isma'il (Ishmael)
Yaqub (Jacob)
Isa (Jesus)
Ayyub (Job)
Yahya (John the Baptist)
Yusuf (Joseph)
Younis (Johah)
Lut (Lot)
Nuh (Noah)
Musa (Moses)
Saleh (Salah)
Sulaiman (Solomon)
Zakariyyah (Zechariah)

What are you implying?

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Evolution has already been proved

Does evolution prove rocks had conscious & they built themselves soo complex in blind process from nothing & how did they came into existence from nothing? No it does not prove that it just shows how you evolved from ape. So yeah go meet your ape ancestors in the zoo or stay there.

 

[TheDarkGreninja]

What a coincidence that God calls the people from which Islam emerged the best of people.

You've taken it out of context, they are the best example of people who have truly followed the book.

Do you think the bond between Abu Bakr and Muhammad would have been any weaker if he hadn't offered the vagina of his young daughter?

And what evidence do you have to suggest the bond wouldn't have crumbled if not for that?

Yes, kings often had many wives. But alliances was only part of the reason. Men like to f*ck many women. And women prefer powerful men. Look at nature.

No offence, but that's opinionated horse shit. If you can't prove it then you might as well be wrong.

you say warfare was only for that context. Then why even include random stuff like that in the Quran? Couldn't Allah make Muhammad differentiate between 2 books: the situational stuff and the eternal wisdom of God or sth like that

Because that situational stuff can be used as guides for the future. Because things like people wanting to drive you out of your country is completely within the realm of reason.
The context of war can be applied in the future. What I'm saying is that the context ISIS uses is objectively wrong.

Allah is all-knowing. He knows that currently innocent people (including children) die by terrorists on a weekly basis BECAUSE OF MISINTERPRETATION. Then why isn't the Quran clearer?

Are you all-knowing, though? To say to me that because god is all-knowing he shouldn't let people die shows a level of ignorance of Islam. Simply put, since god is all-knowing he has a reason for letting them die. You're questioning his actions without knowing the reason, therefore making your argument a logical fallacy. An argument out of ignorance to be exact.

One of the strongest evidence that the Quran is man-made. It's so funny, why is this in the heavenly book?!

Because the prophet is the literal leader of the Islamic world. So those rule's were set out to make sure Muslims respected that leader.
To say that it's man made because "God didnt let them marry his wives" is just dumb. Muslims were not allowed to marry them as they are of high respect and honour in Islam. After all they were considered the mothers of all the believers.
And wouldn't be weird to marry your mother? Even if spiritually.

The Prophet is closer to the believers than their ownselves, and his wives are their (believers’) mothers (as regards respect and marriage)…” (Quran 33:6)

 

[UltraDolphinRevolution]

Quran 36:38
And the sun runs [on course] toward its stopping point. That is the determination of the Exalted in Might, the Knowing.

(Tirmidhi, Fitan, 22)
“I entered the mosque while the sun was setting. The Messenger of Allah (pbuh) was sitting. He said to me, “O Abu Dharr! Do you know where the sun is going?” I said, ‘Allah and His Messenger knows’. He said, ‘It is going in order to take permission for prostration, and it is given permission. One day, it will be commanded, ‘Rise from here’ and it will rise in the place where it sets." Then, the Messenger of Allah (pbuh) read this verse: ‘And the Sun runs his course for a period determined for him.’(Ya Seen, 36:38).”

And how does that show that the universe will retract once it reaches its maximum expansion? The author of the Quran doesn't even know that the sun is not orbiting the earth, s. Sura 36:40

"It is not allowable for the sun to reach the moon, nor does the night overtake the day, but each, in an orbit, is swimming."



You didn't address any other points regarding the bing bang theory, the Quran and other myths about the creation. So why don't you believe in Chinese creation myths? They are older and sound more sophisticated.
I showed you how the Quran contradicted itself in terms of what was created first (earth or heavens)

Also who told you Arabic is Allah's favorite language?

Christians never tell people to learn ancient Greek and Hebrew if they want to understand the Bible. The Quran, even the heavenly one, is written in Arabic.

So they 124000 Prophets all spoke arabic? Every nation spoke arabic?

This number is laughable. How come basically all known prophets in the Quran were Jews?
The Quran implies that even Alexander the Great was a monotheist, which is wrong.

BTW you are trying to mock atheists by asking whether stones have a conscience. Actually, in Islam they do. XD
In the end times the will start speaking ("Oh slave of Allah come and kill the Jew hiding behind me").
Even the son "asks for permission". (see the Quranic verse you quoted)

 

[StarTrekVoyager]

Does evolution prove rocks had conscious & they built themselves soo complex in blind process from nothing & how did they came into existence from nothing? No it does not prove that it just shows how you evolved from ape. So yeah go meet your ape ancestors in the zoo or stay there.

Nope, it proves how current species evolved from random microscopic jelly spheres. The latter that formed from long amino-acid chains and proteins. The latter which formed from chemical reactions within organic molecules. The latter which were formed from elementary organic compounds. The latter which were brought to Earth via meteorites and comets. The latter being... ROCKS. Rekt.

Christians never tell people to learn ancient Greek and Hebrew if they want to understand the Bible. The Quran, even the heavenly one, is written in Arabic.

Actually, until Gutenberg, people had to learn latin or greek to read the bible, since there were almost no traductions.

 

[Onepunchbruh]

And how does that show that the universe will retract once it reaches its maximum expansion? The author of the Quran doesn't even know that the sun is not orbiting the earth, s. Sura 36:40

"It is not allowable for the sun to reach the moon, nor does the night overtake the day, but each, in an orbit, is swimming."

(Tirmidhi, Fitan, 22)
“I entered the mosque while the sun was setting. The Messenger of Allah (pbuh) was sitting. He said to me, “O Abu Dharr! Do you know where the sun is going?” I said, ‘Allah and His Messenger knows’. He said, ‘It is going in order to take permission for prostration, and it is given permission. One day, it will be commanded, ‘Rise from here’ and it will rise in the place where it sets." Then, the Messenger of Allah (pbuh) read this verse: ‘And the Sun runs his course for a period determined for him.’(Ya Seen, 36:38).”

Sun raise from where it sets. What does this shows? Use your logic if yo have.

You didn't address any other points regarding the bing bang theory, the Quran and other myths about the creation. So why don't you believe in Chinese creation myths?

I didn't pointed that because I will come with lots of questions which will be a big debate. So I don't have time for that. I point this out shortly. As Allah said he sent messengers to every nation so that mean some prophets might have told to people. There info are lost no one knows what happened to the prophets because we don't have proof. Speaking of proof how do you know these are sayings of Chinese ancient text & it was 3000years old? Where are the references of book? Where are it's chain of narrations? meaning how it was persevered by people. We have Quran & Hadith. We have names of people who protected the text by memorizing it & storing it. Where are the names of chinese people who saved the text by centuries? It might be a recent written thing if it doesn't have people names & who saved it right? Now lets not go deep because I don't have time because I have exams. Just provide evidence & references.

Christians never tell people to learn ancient Greek and Hebrew if they want to understand the Bible. The Quran, even the heavenly one, is written in Arabic.

That's why they made Jesus a God while Jesus himself never claimed such thing. John, Luke, Paul, Matthew etc. We don't know who these guys were. Some of them never met Jesus in person. So people believe these guys more then Jesus & they claim they love jesus while they reject the teachings of jesus.

Jesus Said 5:30
By myself I can do nothing; I judge only as I hear, and my judgment is just, for I seek not to please myself but him who sent me.

Matthew 7:21-23
21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22 Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’

Now Does this sound like Jesus claiming himself God?

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Nope, it proves how current species evolved from random microscopic jelly spheres. The latter that formed from long amino-acid chains and proteins. The latter which formed from chemical reactions within organic molecules. The latter which were formed from elementary organic compounds. The latter which were brought to Earth via meteorites and comets. The latter being... ROCKS. Rekt.

Have they shown you what they spoke? Or are you blindly saying yeah yeah it's true (the end)? Have you eye witnessed it? Now come to the basics my question was not this my question was. Does they know where these particles came from out of nowhere & started building them blindly & then Big bang happened & blind process made every thing so perfect. As I gave an example earlier can a junk yard in a million years make a laptop blindly from particles a laptop which has latest nvidia graphic card in it? What are you implying? As you can see this universe is more complex then a laptop. So how did it made itself so perfect from nothingness?

 

[osaka35]

Religions are dumb. The religious are unfortunately being duped. It's okay, we all make mistakes. The problem is when you double down on your mistake and hurt innocent people in its name. At that point you move from being duped to being reprehensible evil.

 

[HamBone41801]

Religions are dumb. The religious are unfortunately being duped. It's okay, we all make mistakes. The problem is when you double down on your mistake and hurt innocent people in its name. At that point you move from being duped to being reprehensible evil.

aye. as one of those duped, i cant stand most people like me, because they just don't care if they hurt other people like that.

 

[Lucifer666]

Bottomline is if anyone thinks banning/restricting the entry of Muslims is in any way a good idea (we have a common enemy! Muslims hate ISIS too! and war! Please help!) then you need a bit of a reality check.

 

[UltraDolphinRevolution]

Actually, until Gutenberg, people had to learn latin or greek to read the bible, since there were almost no traductions.

For political reasons: To not give power to the people. But that's different from claiming the eternal Word of God in heaven is written in Arabic. Christians never claimed the same for the Greek/Hebrew language.

 

[UltraDolphinRevolution]

Sun raise from where it sets. What does this shows? Use your logic if yo have.

LOL. I'm speechless. Ok, if u think the sun will rise in the west once the universe retracts, that's your business. But that's not the big bang theory.

I didn't pointed that because I will come with lots of questions which will be a big debate.

The truth is you want to protect your soul from hellfire by not even thinking of the many things that could easily shake up your faith if you allowed critical thinking. I've met many Christians and Muslims like that. It's like putting the fingers in one's ears and singing lalala.

I showed you the examples of wrong scientific claims in the Quran. It even claims the sun has a set orbit (I gave the reference) and that Alexander the Great (the horned one) found the place where the sun sets. Anyway let's ignore the problematic passages and hype up the ones that can be interpreted in a way that is in line with contemporary science. So which then is superior? Science or the Quran?

Speaking of proof how do you know these are sayings of Chinese ancient text & it was 3000years old? Where are the references of book? Where are it's chain of narrations? meaning how it was persevered by people. We have Quran & Hadith. We have names of people who protected the text by memorizing it & storing it. Where are the names of chinese people who saved the text by centuries? It might be a recent written thing if it doesn't have people names & who saved it right? Now lets not go deep because I don't have time because I have exams. Just provide evidence & references.

OH MY GOD. The level of your ignorance is incredible. The Chinese civilization including scriptual tradition is one of the oldest in the world. The writing is much much older than Arabic.
You can look up the references regarding Chinese creation myths here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_creation_myth
I also gave you a quote from the Old Testament regarding the expansion (which is also older than the Quran).

Furthermore, the (A)hadith are a joke. I only play along as these are your sources. From a historical point of view they can't be taken seriously. Just ask any historian (who hasn't been killed yet for questioning the history of Muhammad).

That's why they made Jesus a God while Jesus himself never claimed such thing. John, Luke, Paul, Matthew etc. We don't know who these guys were. Some of them never met Jesus in person. So people believe these guys more then Jesus & they claim they love jesus while they reject the teachings of jesus.

Why do you go off-topic? I'm not defending the New Testament.
But if you so choose: From a historical point of view we know much more about Paul than Muhammad. Historians have reviewed his letters extensively. We know which letters are fake, when he wrote the authentic ones, where he wrote them, why he wrote them. We know the routes he took in the 50s and 60s and where he was at the end of his life (in Rome, probably executed).
Muhammad is only mentioned a few times in the Quran. From a historical point of view we basically know nothing about him. His biographies and hadith are so far removed from his life (more than a hundred years at least; and we don't even have Ibn Ishaq's biography) that Christians wouldn't even had considered it authentic (the gospel of John is 70-80 year removed from Jesus's death and barely made it into the New Testament).
Just consider this: The Quran barely mentioned Muhammad, yet, hundreds of years later we know every tiny detail about him. Isn't that weird? Stories develop over time. The oldest biography of Jesus (Mark, 40 years removed from Jesus' death) doesn't mentioned his childhood, then Matthew and Luke come along and we get the Christmas story. More than 100 after Luke/Matthew we suddenly know that Jesus could speak as a Baby and that he breathed life into a clay bird. AND YOU KNOW WHAT? THIS STORY IS CONFIRMED IN THE QURAN. Think about that.

Jesus Said 5:30
By myself I can do nothing; I judge only as I hear, and my judgment is just, for I seek not to please myself but him who sent me.

Matthew 7:21-23
21 “Not everyone who says to Me, ‘Lord, Lord,’ shall enter the kingdom of heaven, but he who does the will of My Father in heaven. 22 Many will say to Me in that day, ‘Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in Your name, cast out demons in Your name, and done many wonders in Your name?’23 And then I will declare to them, ‘I never knew you; depart from Me, you who practice lawlessness!’

Now Does this sound like Jesus claiming himself God?

Do I claim that Jesus claimed to be God?! Not even all Christians teach/taught that. E.g. the Arians or Jehova's witnesses.
Ironically you just quoted a text in which Jesus says that some will correctly call him "Lord" and that he speaks of his "Father", therefore directly contradicting the Quran which says Allah is the Father to nobody (not in any sense).
Pls think before you rape the Quran or New Testament.

Regarding Jesus saying he can't do anything on his own: That's what Christians actually teach. It's called Trinity. But I doubt you would understand it (even though I personally reject all goodnight stories, be it Islamic, Christians or whatever). The writer of the Quran didn't understand the trinity either, so I better not even try.

 

[Onepunchbruh]

I'm speechless. Ok, if u think the sun will rise in the west once the universe retracts, that's your business. But that's not the big bang theory.

Hello darkness, my old friend
I've come to talk with you again.
Within the sound of silence

The truth is you want to protect your soul from hellfire by not even thinking of the many things that could easily shake up your faith if you allowed critical thinking. I've met many Christians and Muslims like that. It's like putting the fingers in one's ears and singing lalala.

Ok explain how you came so perfect from nothing. It's same thing I explained many time earlier that you're claiming. If we take a place. A junk yard take away from people & put some particle in it & some million years later. There will be a laptop in it created by particles in it on there own. So much perfect laptop which has 3 gtx1080 which work on 10watt LOL! You guys are mad genius. It's pure blind believe.

It's like putting the fingers in one's ears and singing lalala.
You're doing the same thing with the reality that you don't want to accept.

I showed you the examples of wrong scientific claims in the Quran. It even claims the sun has a set orbit (I gave the reference) and that Alexander the Great (the horned one) found the place where the sun sets. Anyway let's ignore the problematic passages and hype up the ones that can be interpreted in a way that is in line with contemporary science. So which then is superior? Science or the Quran?

-Snip-

OH MY GOD. The level of your ignorance is incredible. The Chinese civilization including scriptual tradition is one of the oldest in the world. The writing is much much older than Arabic.
You can look up the references regarding Chinese creation myths here: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_creation_myth
I also gave you a quote from the Old Testament regarding the expansion (which is also older than the Quran).

Furthermore, the (A)hadith are a joke. I only play along as these are your sources. From a historical point of view they can't be taken seriously. Just ask any historian (who hasn't been killed yet for questioning the history of Muhammad).

So you have God? I thought you didn't believed in God? I have ignorance? o-o

No references or chain narrations in Chinese myths just MYTHS i guess.

Why do you go off-topic? I'm not defending the New Testament.
But if you so choose: From a historical point of view we know much more about Paul than Muhammad. Historians have reviewed his letters extensively. We know which letters are fake, when he wrote the authentic ones, where he wrote them, why he wrote them. We know the routes he took in the 50s and 60s and where he was at the end of his life (in Rome, probably executed).
Muhammad is only mentioned a few times in the Quran. From a historical point of view we basically know nothing about him. His biographies and hadith are so far removed from his life (more than a hundred years at least; and we don't even have Ibn Ishaq's biography) that Christians wouldn't even had considered it authentic (the gospel of John is 70-80 year removed from Jesus's death and barely made it into the New Testament).

Just consider this: The Quran barely mentioned Muhammad, yet, hundreds of years later we know every tiny detail about him. Isn't that weird? Stories develop over time. The oldest biography of Jesus (Mark, 40 years removed from Jesus' death) doesn't mentioned his childhood, then Matthew and Luke come along and we get the Christmas story. More than 100 after Luke/Matthew we suddenly know that Jesus could speak as a Baby and that he breathed life into a clay bird. AND YOU KNOW WHAT? THIS STORY IS CONFIRMED IN THE QURAN. Think about that.

Hmmmmmmm you sound suspicious? Oh undercover Christian spotted!!

The history of Islam Hadiths eg. Sahih Muslim/Bukhari (Which you ignore because of your arrogance) have chains of narrations with proof. Who are paul, luke, matthew & others. Read there history & you'll know how they corrupted the Bible bit by bit. Thank God they saved some of it. In future Jesus (Peace Be Upon Him) sayings might be also gone from the Bible.

Also grow up kid. What are you talking about Muhammad (Peace Be Upon Him) name was spoken less. I doesn't matter. Do you fraudulent preaching somewhere else. LOL!

Do I claim that Jesus claimed to be God?! Not even all Christians teach/taught that. E.g. the Arians or Jehova's witnesses.
Ironically you just quoted a text in which Jesus says that some will correctly call him "Lord" and that he speaks of his "Father", therefore directly contradicting the Quran which says Allah is the Father to nobody (not in any sense).
Pls think before you rape the Quran or New Testament.

Regarding Jesus saying he can't do anything on his own: That's what Christians actually teach. It's called Trinity. But I doubt you would understand it (even though I personally reject all goodnight stories, be it Islamic, Christians or whatever).

The writer of the Quran didn't understand the trinity either, so I better not even try.

Did I said you claimed? Why are you pointing something which I never said?


We Muslims & some christians know Bible is corrupted. Allah also speaks about it & Allah says in the Quran O people of the book (Jews/Christians etc.) come to the common terms. So what matches is the truth what doesn't we see it as man written thing just like the hand made idols. So I explained you something which you didn't know of course you're not educated. So yeah move on & don't say something which you don't know. Don't waste my time just study hard.

So jesus saying I can't do nothing myself. This quote makes it a part of trinity? Who told you that? Trinity is like Father/Son/Holy Spirit Co-Equal. So Jesus/ Holyspirit also have the same power. So Jesus saying I can't do nothing by myself breaks trinity concept.

LOL! Look at yourself just air claims you have no evidence. Pretending like you know something!

 

[barak06]

Well I'm not going to say something if I don't believe it to be right, otherwise what's the point of debating?
What is this "everytime" you're talking about? I could basically say the same thing to you, you call the meme "everytime" someone calls you out for being fascist. I don't think that you realize that there ARE legitimate cases where it can be mentioned.

Answering the french stuff:
- I do judge people regarding certain topics, however I do not support any form of censorship like our beloved Valls tried to do for so long. I believe it to be counter productive, since you can't directly answer to people spreading alternative facts.
- Even if only 50% (you can say 1% but I'm gonna assume that's your first degree talking) of them are well integrated and are condemning ISIS attacks (which they do, some of them publicly), that's still 50% that aren't responsible. So yes, whenever people start blaming "the Muslims" as a whole they're basically accusing a decent amount of innocent people, which circles back to the H word.

One thing that is often completely ignored but is actually a hard proof that peaceful integration is perfectly possible: How old are the terrorists? Do you hear about Muslims from the first/second generation causing any trouble? These people have been in Europe for as long as any of us, never caused any issue while living their faith.
So please, let me know how accusing Muslims in general in France helping in any way. Not only does it not fix anything regarding terror attacks, but you are wrongly accusing those who otherwise would be on your side, people that have been there alongside us since before we were born. What good is it doing long term? What would be the solution to this problem if things were going your way, no first degree this time?

Like I said before, I do despise religions as a whole, I do believe they serve as the perfect excuse to justify atrocities. However the opposite is also true, they were and are still used to blame a community of people when it's convenient.

Just wish it was that easy to blame the NRA whenever a shooting happens .

To put an end to your silly arguments :
“C’est un fait que tous les musulmans ne sont pas des terroristes, mais il est très douloureux à dire que presque tous les terroristes sont des musulmans” Abudulhrahan al-Rashed général Manager Al Arabiya News
So now just convert yourself to islam (if it.s not already done) and blow yourself or kill some mecreants like me, so we don't ear about you're bullshits anymore

 

[DarthDub]

I wonder if it has anything to do with muslim refugees. People need to take a chill pill. Bunch of hotheads.

 

[UltraDolphinRevolution]

Haider Raza: I'm speechless. Thank you for displaying a typical Muslim fundamentalist. Everyone can judge our conversation for himself/herself.
I know it's heartbreaking, but the Quran's creation myths are also myths. You literally "snip" away criticism of it by not even engaging in it. Thanks for proving my point.
You have no idea of the historical method or critical thinking. The only thing that remains for me is to hope that you think you go to paradise for your good deeds, otherwise people's lives might be in danger.



To prove my point that neither you nor Muhammad (or whoever wrote the Quran) didn't understand the trinity I will explain it to you and how Jesus saying "On my own I can do nothing" confirms the trinity, not contradicts it. Disclaimer: I don't believe in it but I have studied it as I have studied Muslim sources.

In polytheism (both in Muhammad's time in Arabia and in the ancient Roman/Greek theology) gods fight with it other, have children with each other (and with humans) and so on. E.g. Allah had daughters (Muhammad at one point even confirmed it in oder to gain favor with polytheists; later claimed Satan told him to say that -> known as the Satanic Verses).
The Christian concept of God/Trinity is that he has no beginning (unlike creation). He creates things by his word (similar to Islam). His words exist/come forth from him eternally. So God (Father, 1st person of the Trinity) is the cause of the Word of God (2nd person of the trinity) with which he created the universe.
These are not two Gods. The 2nd person of the trinity can do nothing on his own. It's like your arm can't do anything without your brain (or to stay with the analogy: your words can do nothing without your mind). Jesus is materialized Word of God ("became flesh") so Jesus claiming to be powerless without the Father confirms the trinity.

Muhammad (or the author of the Quran) didn't understand this concept. Nowhere is it found in the Quran. The only two places (I can look up the references but I know the words by heart) is:
-Allah asking Jesus whether he told him to worship him (Jesus) and his mother as Gods next to Allah -> Mainstream Christians sects never taught this.
-Allah is not the third of three (Gods?) -> Christians never taught it either, The God/Father is the first of three persons within the same essence/being

So there you have it, the Quran was ignorant of pretty much everything (including which parts of Christian/Jewish stories were primary/early and which were late/secondary, therefore it contains parts of the Talmud - made by Humans even according to Jews - and very late Christian gospels).
So you being ignorant fits perfectly.

 

[Onepunchbruh]

Haider Raza: I'm speechless. Thank you for displaying a typical Muslim fundamentalist. Everyone can judge our conversation for himself/herself.
I know it's heartbreaking, but the Quran's creation myths are also myths. You literally "snip" away criticism of it by not even engaging in it. Thanks for proving my point.
You have no idea of the historical method or critical thinking.

Yeah I know that everyone can see how ignorant you are.

Quran has evidence of being 1400years old by chains of narrations (Hadiths etc.). Where is the evidence of chineses myths being 3000years old? I asked you this earlier & you ignored like a ignorant fool. I asked where is the references of the text. Who brought it & where is evidence to prove it's 3000years old. You never gave this answer & you're talking like you won something which you never did in real life.

To prove my point that neither you nor Muhammad (or whoever wrote the Quran) didn't understand the trinity I will explain it to you and how Jesus saying "On my own I can do nothing" confirms the trinity, not contradicts it. Disclaimer: I don't believe in it but I have studied it as I have studied Muslim sources.

In polytheism (both in Muhammad's time in Arabia and in the ancient Roman/Greek theology) gods fight with it other, have children with each other (and with humans) and so on. E.g. Allah had daughters (Muhammad at one point even confirmed it in oder to gain favor with polytheists; later claimed Satan told him to say that -> known as the Satanic Verses).

Yeah like you know best. You just make air claims no evidence no nothing just your emotional opinions.

Explain how it makes trinity. As I know what you're talking about is not trinity. That's not what christians preach or what I red but yeah explain your trinity. As I heard trinity Father/Son/HolySpirit are Co-Equal.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trinity





















https://youtu.be/2_owxCTpgjo

There are many more example everyone have there own trinity. Look how ignorant & arrogant these fools are like you claiming like they know something about Quran & you ignore hadiths the history of islam to make your blind christianity claims.

The Christian concept of God/Trinity is that he has no beginning (unlike creation). He creates things by his word (similar to Islam). His words exist/come forth from him eternally. So God (Father, 1st person of the Trinity) is the cause of the Word of God (2nd person of the trinity) with which he created the universe.
These are not two Gods. The 2nd person of the trinity can do nothing on his own. It's like your arm can't do anything without your brain (or to stay with the analogy: your words can do nothing without your mind). Jesus is materialized Word of God ("became flesh") so Jesus claiming to be powerless without the Father confirms the trinity.

-SNIP- Undercover christian alert. Don't claim something that you don't know of. I know how you guys twist to make your own opinions to be fed. I look for evidence not your blind opinions.

Muhammad (or the author of the Quran) didn't understand this concept. Nowhere is it found in the Quran. The only two places (I can look up the references but I know the words by heart) is:
-Allah asking Jesus whether he told him to worship him (Jesus) and his mother as Gods next to Allah -> Mainstream Christians sects never taught this.
-Allah is not the third of three (Gods?) -> Christians never taught it either, The God/Father is the first of three persons within the same essence/being

So there you have it, the Quran was ignorant of pretty much everything (including which parts of Christian/Jewish stories were primary/early and which were late/secondary, therefore it contains parts of the Talmud - made by Humans even according to Jews - and very late Christian gospels).
So you being ignorant fits perfectly.

That's you thinking that's your blind believe. As I said wake up from your dream world. Don't pretend like you know something while you don't know sh-t.

If you known arabic third of three means 1/3. So again learn arabic to understand quran & to make your claims.

https://youtu.be/MdlpSuhf2Fc

https://youtu.be/HKtHJddu4-4

 

[Lucifer666]

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Dude I honestly understand your frustrations with religion, they all have a tendency to divert peoples' line of thinking in a similar manner, but I don't think the best display for yourself is to yell at believers for believing.

I'm Muslim born and raised but non practising nowadays (I don't really believe, at all) and the approach I've been taking since is just letting it go. Just leave it be and don't get mad when others don't, because starting shit that way could also be a part of the problem. Speaking as an insider from that community