Do You Believe In God?

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Do You Believe In God?

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    Votes: 159 32.8%
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    Votes: 267 55.1%
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Incans, Mayans and other amerindians sacrificed children to their gods. The Christian/Jewish God asked Abraham to sacrifice his son Isaac to him. If god created morality than god sure likes to make humans act against it.
God's existence is independent of the Bible's validity. You can believe in God without following any religion (deists). And you can be religious while being an atheist (Buddhists).

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BELIEF. AND. SCIENCE. ARE. NOT. RELATED.

SCIENCE. AND. MORALITY. ARE. NOT. RELATED.
Prove your claims.
 
A person or societies opinion of something does not change its factual basis. The earth was round even when everyone believed it was flat.

True, except if it was a universal moral, it would have been common even in early humans. Cain clearly knew it was wrong to kill his brother. Early societies show no remorse for rape of women or molestation of children. There were penalties for murder, theft, etc.
 
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God's existence is independent of the Bible's validity. You can believe in God without following any religion (deists). And you can be religious while being an atheist (Buddhists).

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Prove your claims.

Belief requires sentience. Science does not.

Morality requires sentience. Science does not.

Belief and morality are both products of a conscious awareness. Science is not.
 
True, except if it was a universal morality, it would have been common even in early humans.
2+2=4, that's universal, YET it's still possible for someone to believe otherwise. Opinions don't invalidate facts. I can't believe I even have to point this out.

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Belief requires sentience. Science does not.

Morality requires sentience. Science does not.

Belief and morality are both products of a conscious awareness. Science is not.
Belief means an acceptance of the facts. You believe in science, because it's true. You also claim to believe in morality, so you must also think it is true. My question is what is the source of your moral beliefs?
 
2+2=4, that's universal, YET it's still possible for someone to believe otherwise. Opinions don't invalidate facts. I can't believe I even have to point this out.

But it isn't fact. Children and women were clearly not considered the same as men. Same happened with the slaves, they were viewed as less than human.

Rape and molestation is only immoral if you consider the person human.
 
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2+2=4, that's universal, YET it's still possible for someone to believe otherwise. Opinions don't invalidate facts. I can't believe I even have to point this out.

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Belief means an acceptance of the facts. You believe in science, because it's true. You also claim to believe in morality, so you must also think it is true. My question is what is the source of your moral beliefs?

I do not "believe in science because it's true". I believe in science because it is verifiable fact. What you consider to be "true" and what I consider to be "true" are diametric opposites. You believe in a deity that is supposed to be both infinite and perfect. Both are mutually exclusive concepts, creating a paradox, and no logical, scientific mind could accept such a ludicrous and absurd philosophy.

I do not "believe in morality". I understand that humans craft their own social codes to conform to their unique cultures, and I have my own personal code which I follow, but I do not expect anyone else to follow my path. Recognition and "believing in something" are two wholly different things. I do not in any way believe morality is universal or anything but subjective. It is a symptom and by-product of intelligent human life, and will die when the last man dies.

Empathy is the source of my moral beliefs.
 
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Belief means an acceptance of the facts.

Didn't you JUST SAY that ancient humans "believed" the world was flat?

So, that means they accepted the fact the Earth was flat, right?

Man, this is too easy. Go to bed, brudda. You're getting even sloppier as you go.
 
If you do not want to participate in this discussion, why do you keep coming back just to tell the participants to stop talking?
Because it's totally offtopic and this is nothing but pages filling with you and haloman fighting at something that isn't related to OP
 
If you do not want to participate in this discussion, why do you keep coming back just to tell the participants to stop talking?
Why don't we have a more formal debate about morality/Gods existence, over Skype?

Because it's totally offtopic and this is nothing but pages filling with you and haloman fighting at something that isn't related to OP
The arguments I'm proposing are related to the OP. I do think it's funny that Neo is scolding you for mentioning mods, yet he himself keeps threatening to "report" me (for hurting his feelings, apparently).
 
Because it's totally offtopic and this is nothing but pages filling with you and haloman fighting at something that isn't related to OP
It is completely on-topic. Morality and the concepts of good and evil are at the heart of the basis for belief in a deity. His argument is that without the existence of a god, irrespective of whether a man believes in a god or not, that good and evil could not exist, without a basis of reference.

He believes the god of Abraham is the model upon which our concepts of good and evil are based, and that is why he wants to win this point so badly. So badly he would call everyone here who disagrees with him a supporter of child molestation.

I don't particularly like or agree with this cat, but we ARE on topic.
 
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Why don't we have a more formal debate about morality/Gods existence, over Skype?


The arguments I'm proposing are related to the OP. I do think it's funny that Neo is scolding you for mentioning mods, yet he himself keeps threatening to "report" me (for hurting his feelings, apparently).
If you want to feel better, I reported both of you.
 
The bible does not agree with you. It's acceptable to sacrifice children. Daughter's can be given as sex gifts, etc.
This topic is about God's existence, which is what I'm arguing. The Bible is a different topic.
 
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