Do You Believe In God?

[CraddaPoosta]

You are equating opinion with fact. If what you are saying is correct, then the earth isn't round, because *gasp* since some people still believe it's flat. Is that what you're saying?

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Are you saying you need me to explain to you why molesting children is wrong?

In no way am I equating opinion with fact. The exact opposite is true. I have now said that belief and science are not necessarily congruent three times, as a counter to your statement that people used to think the Earth was flat, but that didn't make it true.

I am obviously confusing you. You need to get off of YouTube and stop trying to argue points you see in videos on your own. You aren't equipped for this.

You are STILL TRYING TO CALL ME A SUPPORTER OF CHILD MOLESTATION. Do it one more time and I will be forced to report you. I will not have you sit here and make such a terrible accusation about me, little boy. I have been very clear that I personally am against children being harmed in any way. You will not continue to try to make such a repugnant statement about me, or anyone else here.

You're pathetic to even try to resort to such a tactic, just because you are being trounced by six people in a debate.

Grow up.

 

[grossaffe]

Are you saying you need me to explain to you why molesting children is wrong?

No, I'm saying you haven't proven the objectivity.

How did this thread get into molestation talk?

Because Haloman is obsessed with this argument thinking it's proves the existence of god.

 

[Lacius]

How did this thread get into molestation talk?

The thread turned into a debate about morality because some would argue that objective morality does not exist without a god, even though demonstrating the existence of a god who dictates morality would only demonstrate the existence of subjective morality. However, if one defines morality as that which is conducive to well-being, it becomes objectively true whether or not something is moral.

Some people also haven't realized that Haloman800 is a disingenuous troll who will never concede anything, even when backed into a metaphorical corner. I don't recommend getting sucked into a conversation with him.

 

[Haloman800]

No, I'm saying you haven't proven the objectivity.

I don't need to demonstrate the objectivity that 2+2=4, it's self evident. Same goes for harming children.

Do it one more time and I will be forced to report you.

If your feelings are being hurt, feel free to stop replying . I'm sorry to inform you that mods don't give infractions because people having opinions that differ from yours.

 

[CraddaPoosta]

I don't need to demonstrate the objectivity that 2+2=4, it's self evident. Same goes for harming children.


If your feelings are being hurt, feel free to stop replying . I'm sorry to inform you that mods don't give infractions because people having opinions that differ from yours.

They do when you are accusing people of supporting child rape, you sick little man. You aren't hurting my feelings, chum. You're only embarrassing yourself.


The only reason 2+2=4 is because you agree with the 10 Axioms of Mathematics. Without belief in those, all of mathematics falls apart. You have to first accept and agree with the definition of oneness being different and distinct from twoness, and that addition means an increase, and that equals equals equals. Do you understand? Even mathematics requires agreement on terms and definitions.

Without accepting the axiom that addition is its own function, 2+2 would not = 4. Do you understand?

 

[Haloman800]

The thread turned into a debate about morality because some would argue that objective morality does not exist without a god

Good definition. You may be wrong on most of what you claim, but you at least have correct definitions.

Some people also haven't realized that Haloman800 is a disingenuous troll who will never concede anything, even when backed into a metaphorical corner. I don't recommend getting sucked into a conversation with him.

Because it's easier to call someone a troll than to refute their arguments, amirite?

 

[VinsCool]

Will you guys please stop this pointless argument throwing to each others?

 

[Haloman800]

They do when you are accusing people of supporting child rape, you sick little man. You aren't hurting my feelings, chum. You're only embarrassing yourself.

I don't doubt you're against it, my question is, what is your basis for claiming it is immoral?

 

[omegasoul6]

Reported, moved on, take your stupid molestation argument elsewhere.

 

[grossaffe]

I don't need to demonstrate the objectivity that 2+2=4, it's self evident. Same goes for harming children.

This is what is called circular logic. Maybe take a class on philosophy to see how it actually works if you are so interested in discussing philosophy. Until then, I'm done with this discussion as you are clearly incapable of having it at this moment. If your argument was as infallible as you thought it was, then there would be no atheists.

 

[Haloman800]

This is what is called circular logic.

Claiming it's circular doesn't make it so.

If your argument was as infallible as you thought it was, then there would be no atheists.

If you could argue with atheists, there wouldn't be atheists .

 

[CraddaPoosta]

Claiming it's circular doesn't make it so.

If you could argue with atheists, there wouldn't be atheists .

Atheists only require one thing. Proof. The one thing you don't have.

Well, one of the many things you don't have. A solid argument, capacity for higher levels of reasoning, integrity, a firm grasp on the logical process, understanding of the scientific method, what the word 'universal' means...

 

[Haloman800]

Atheists only require one thing. Proof. The one thing you don't have.

Well, one of the many things you don't have. A solid argument, capacity for higher levels of reasoning, integrity, a firm grasp on the logical process, understanding of the scientific method, what the word 'universal' means...

Nice ad hominems.

Also, fun fact, did you know the man who invented the scientific method was Christian? .

 

[CraddaPoosta]

Nice ad hominems.

Also, fun fact, did you know the man who invented the scientific method was Christian? .

Please do not confuse a direct assessment of your skills at debating as a personal attack. The thing is, you've proven everything I've said. Just because it's true doesn't make it an insult.

 

[RodrigoDavy]

Incans, Mayans and other amerindians sacrificed children to their gods. The Christian/Jewish God asked Abraham to sacrifice his son Isaac to him. If god created morality than god sure likes to make humans act against it.

 

[cdoty]

Still waiting for your explanation of when molesting children is OK.

It's not OK in our society, but it took about 4000 years for children to be viewed as anything other than property:
https://www.pearsonhighered.com/assets/hip/us/hip_us_pearsonhighered/samplechapter/0205961134.pdf (Scroll down to Sexual Values, Attitudes, and Exploitation)

This sounds more like an evolved morality. Women have also been treated as property, and are still viewed as property in parts of the world. That would also rule out rape.

I think it's safe to exclude molestation and rape as objective morality, as ancient humans didn't seem to possess them.

 

[Haloman800]

Just because it's true doesn't make it an insult.

"lol you're fat, it's true so it's not an insult".

Okay, we've drifted far off topic enough. I have nothing more to say to you.

 

[CraddaPoosta]

"lol you're fat, it's true so it's not an insult".

Okay, we've drifted far off topic enough. I have nothing more to say to you.

Good boy. You're learning.

We haven't drifted in the slightest. You're still offering a broken argument and trying to attack people's character, and you're still getting slapped down by your superiors. Where have you been for the last half hour?

 

[Haloman800]

It's not OK in our society, but it took about 4000 years for children to be viewed as anything other than property:
https://www.pearsonhighered.com/assets/hip/us/hip_us_pearsonhighered/samplechapter/0205961134.pdf (Scroll down to Sexual Values, Attitudes, and Exploitation)

This sounds more like an evolved morality. Women have also been treated as property, and are still viewed as property in parts of the world. That would also rule out rape.

I think it's safe to exclude molestation and rape as objective morality, as ancient humans didn't seem to possess them.

A person or societies opinion of something does not change its factual basis. The earth was round even when everyone believed it was flat.

In the same way, molesting children is wrong, even though many societies in the past (and still today) think it is moral.

 

[CraddaPoosta]

A person or societies opinion of something does not change its factual basis. The earth was round even when everyone believed it was flat.

In the same way, molesting children is wrong, even though many societies in the past (and still today) think it is moral.

BELIEF. AND. SCIENCE. ARE. NOT. RELATED.

SCIENCE. AND. MORALITY. ARE. NOT. RELATED.