Estimate your POSTS:LIKES ratio EXCLUDING the EOF

storm75x · May 6, 2015

Say, if the EOF posts count or the EOF likes don't count.
What do you think your POSTS:LIKES ratio will be?

EDIT: Oh and not counting Margen67 likes too. Or that's cheating.

keven3477 · May 6, 2015

I have posted 309 times and I have 161 likes, thankfully margen hasn't liked much of my stuff so I am lucky and say I have 150 real likes (why do I feel that im jinxing it and margen will soon like allmy post after reding this), so my ratio is 1 like per 2 posts. 2:1

GhostLatte · May 6, 2015

I'd say 69:69.

TotalInsanity4 · May 6, 2015

Cherry Pie said:
I'd say 69:69.

But... That's just 1:1...

GhostLatte · May 6, 2015

TotalInsanity4 said:
But... That's just 1:1...

VinsCool · May 6, 2015

I think I easily get the 2 post 1 like ratio.

My current informations are inaccurate. Arnold and Margen boosted my likes.
Also, EOF posts. I may be around 4500 posts today.

storm75x · May 6, 2015

Fingers crossed. Let's hope likes don't disappear.

I know a mod is lurking nearby, come out whoever you are.

the_randomizer · May 6, 2015

storm75x said:
Fingers crossed. Let's hope likes don't disappear.

I know a mod is lurking nearby, come out whoever you are.

Drawing the mods, eh? Heh heh heh.....

This is what they do when they see us draw them out, true story.

2Hack · May 6, 2015

I had the 1:1 before ever posting in EOF. Come at me bruh

GhostLatte · May 6, 2015

2Hack said:
I had the 1:1 before ever posting in EOF. Come at me bruh

2Hack · May 6, 2015

Cherry Pie said:

https://gbatemp.net/threads/gateway-3ds-working-on-the-new-nintendo-3ds.375107/

Still ready? I can escalate if so

storm75x · May 6, 2015

I used to have 1:2 posts:likes ratio before coming to EOF. It has gotten less now however.. posting stuff stuff.

GhostLatte · May 6, 2015

2Hack said:
https://gbatemp.net/threads/gateway-3ds-working-on-the-new-nintendo-3ds.375107/

Still ready? I can escalate if so

I'm always ready

2Hack · May 6, 2015

Cherry Pie said:
I'm always ready

Originally Posted by er0tiky : Well, i believe we are important to them because we bought their product and we support the scene. But we are costumers, and only that, we don't have rights to demand anything from them based on our situation, no one is special to them or have special rights. Everyone is eagerly waiting and they are working on it, each email they have to answer is time lost to them.

Ok, I've been a lurker for the longest time, but this post is ostensibly what finally made me make an account, to make what might very well be both my first *and last* post on here. I'll say right now that most fanboys will probably jump on a hate-train just halfway through reading this, so let me say now; try to keep a level head, yeah? (And props to all of those of you who can remain rational). The fanboyism here really does reach ridiculous levels. While my time of lurking has lead me to understand that most (or at the very least "a lot") of people on here are fanboys, this thread, and the quoted post in particular, really starts to reach astronomical proportions, so just for the sake of getting a second/nuanced opinion in, or at the very, very least a counterpoint to all of the blatantly biased fanboyism running rampant on here, I'll post my attempt at an actual, somewhat neutral, non-fanboy view here. Firstly, let's get one thing out of the way; I seriously doubt that you, or even most users on here (though to be fair most users don't claim to), in any way "support" the scene. The people supporting the scene are the devs; those of us who actually do work and contribute (whether that be by developing homebrews and CFWs or just searching for and creating new exploits), not just sit around and use flashcarts so that they can download and play ROMs instead of buying games and supporting actual developers. By merely owning a flashcart and pirating ROMs, you are in no conceivable way supporting the scene, you are merely leeching off of it (and there's nothing wrong with that, in and of itself/nothing inherently wrong with that; if no-one used the homebrew and whatnot, a lot of devs wouldn't feel motivated to do their work in the first place, however, credit where credit is due, and you are not "supporting" anything besides your own enjoyment of other people's work (which, again, there is nothing inherently wrong with. Just don't try and take credit for other peoples work, or claim that you're doing work/putting effort in when you're actually not.)). Now then, onto the meat of the matter, the rampant fanboyism: It seems to me that most people forget that the Gateway Team is a public company. They are not doing this for the "love of the scene". They are not doing this because they like you. They are not doing this because they want to give you something special. They are doing this because they want money. Specifically, our money. Gateway is a company, not a hacker-group; just like the Sky team, and even the R5 and all the other clones, they're trying to make money. For example, anyone consider why they weren't so hot on the butter when it came to supporting devmenu? Maybe, just maybe, that was because once they did (as they now do), people with a bunch of 3DS's/2DS's only need to buy one single cart since they can install most games to the regular SD-card of their other consoles once they've run the exploit and have all the necessities installed, as opposed to buying one separate card for each and every one of their units (or their families collective units, or whichever is applicable). When did they fix full and official devmenu support? Basically the instant that it was out that the first (albeit highly unstable)CFWwas out amongst devs, and that it could be installed on a 4.5 system without a GW red card(without any of GWs products. They only gave their official support once they were forced to by the competition. They are a company. They want to sell their product. They are not a hacker-group. They do not do this for the sheer love of the scene/for the pride and bragging-rights. They do it to make money. Now then, as to what we can "demand" from them. We can actually, as customers, demand that they live up to their promises. Saying that we "don't have rights" isn't true and it typical fanboy-talk, because the fact of the matter is that we have paid money for a product. If they were just a team/a person, like e.g. Smealum (the main guy behind ninjhax for those who don't know) doing all of this for free during their spare time, you would have a point (but even then, he got some well-deserved flak for bragging and telling everyone about his amazing work bloody months before delivering anything, and if you talk big, you should be able to back it up; if you can't, wait with your big announcements until you've actually got something to show for it). However, GW aren't doing this for free; particularly not in this case. I would even say that they've been outright shady (which might arguably be expected from a company that literally makes it's money off of enabling others to commit illegal activities, but something being "expected" doesn't mean that it's morally acceptable). See, the thing is, they didn't announce their fancy new exploit as early as they did for no reason; they did it because they wanted to push more units. They wanted to sell. They wanted to make more money. They understandably wanted in on the holiday buck, as the yuletide buck is one of the, if not plain the biggest buck of the year. Parents, SOs, friends etcetera buy for eachother and for themselves; everyone buys a shitload more stuff than any other time of the year, particularly entertainment devices/toys, which is after all what consoles (and their peripherals) are. But, they couldn't sell it based on it's current feature-set, as that serves only a minority group (those who have in their possession, or have access to, one or several 3DS/3DS's with the 4.5 firmware(s)) and most people in that minority group who are interested in a product of this kind already have one (or more, even), so what do they do? They make promises. They sold/sell their product not primarily on current features, but on the promise of future features. Now, as is expected, they have been very vague and constantly avoiding giving any specific time-indicators (and it, in a very bitter way, amuses me to see how quickly the fanboys forget the debacle from just a year back); however, one fact rings true; they have used words which they (and we all) very well know how people will react to and interpret. It's not feasible to say that "Well "soon" and "just around the corner" and "any day now" can mean in a years time", because in practice, it can't. GW knows how people will interpret that sort of wording; if they didn't, they wouldn't use it so consistently. It's based around giving people hope and making them think that something is going to happen soon - and as such, making them buy their product - but at the same time being able to back out and say "hey, we didn't promise any dates, we didn't set any specific time". They don't say "soon" because they think it will be "soon", they say "soon" because they know that that will make people hopeful, and, as such, buy their product. It's often very hard to set a time-frame for this kind of work (most people who have ever worked with anything like this - professionally or otherwise - would already know this), but that's why you do not use words like "soon". Instead, you say things like "We don't know yet" or just plain the honest "We have no idea when it'll be done, we're just at the point where we finally know for a fact that it is at all doable, so it will be done at some point in the future". Saying things like "soon" and "just around the corner" has no point other than to entice people to buy their stuff - and as such, as consumers, we do actually have some right to demand that they live up to their promises. It doesn't matter that they haven't given an exact date, when they have - knowingly and deliberately - used phrasing specifically to make people buy their stuff/create hype and hope. People (usually with due right) throw a shitfit whenever stuff like this happens in any other area - From Software didn't live up to their implicit promises regarding the graphics in Dark Souls 2 (even though they never explicitly promised that the trailer graphics were the final graphics), what happens? Shitfit. Ubisoft provably doesn't deliver the graphics for Watch Dogs that they originally showed to people in their first trailer (even though they never explicitly promised that those were the final graphics), but it can be unlocked through conf-editing; what happens? Shitfit. The list goes on. When a creator of a product makes statements that might not be super-specific in nature, but are very obviously worded so as to create hope and hype while at the same time creating enough crawlspace for the creator to back out and say "Hey, I didn't make any explicit promises!" you should not defend it, you should call it out. Again, people need to realize that; Gateway are not your friends, they are a company. They don't want to do nice things for you just for the sake of being nice; they want your money. If they wanted to just be nice/if money wasn't their primary concern, they'd release all of their stuff into the wild, open up their source-code, let other devs get a look at it and tweak, modify and improve upon it; maybe sell a few flashcarts on the side for those who are truly not interested in anything but playing ROMs and just want a "plug-and-play"-type solution; but they're not doing that (and what's worse, they knowingly and with intent insert code to brick peoples hardware, or did we all forget about that little event?). Why not? Because they're not your friends, they're not my friends, and they're certainly not the scenes friends. They are a company, and to them, you are just a wallet that walks like a man. They continue to give support because that means continued revenue, i.e., continued cashflow, i.e., more money in their pockets. They don't do it out of the good of their hearts, and no (semi-)adult person should be believing that. We have a right to be demanding, because we are their customers and give our money to them, and they are a company that sells a product. Even more so, as of late, they sell their product based on a promise, and knowingly and deliberately word their communications to their customers in such a way as to keep hopes up and hype high. Saying that we have no right to be demanding is the same thing as saying that I can't be demanding ofToyotawhen they've promised me that my car will use up such and such many litres of fuel per kilometre; we are customers, and they're a company making promises. We are not risk-capital investors or silent partners, those two groups might not be able to make any demands, but customers that pay money for a product can and should be demanding (in moderation though, of course). We shouldn't just "let GW take their time", if they're pulling BS or acting in a shady manner. If they're pulling BS or acting in a shady manner, they should be called out on it, not defended. They're a company. They don't care about you, they care about your money (and making it their money). They don't need your defending; that's like the abused spouse defending his/her/it's assailant. So, that's my two cents, and an attempt to be a bit more neutral and bring at least one non-fanboy view to the table. Cheers, fellas, and stay civil.

2Hack · May 6, 2015

Moar?

GhostLatte · May 6, 2015

2Hack said:
 Ok, I've been a lurker for the longest time, but this post is ostensibly what finally made me make an account, to make what might very well be both my first *and last* post on here. I'll say right now that most fanboys will probably jump on a hate-train just halfway through reading this, so let me say now; try to keep a level head, yeah? (And props to all of those of you who can remain rational). The fanboyism here really does reach ridiculous levels. While my time of lurking has lead me to understand that most (or at the very least "a lot") of people on here are fanboys, this thread, and the quoted post in particular, really starts to reach astronomical proportions, so just for the sake of getting a second/nuanced opinion in, or at the very, very least a counterpoint to all of the blatantly biased fanboyism running rampant on here, I'll post my attempt at an actual, somewhat neutral, non-fanboy view here. Firstly, let's get one thing out of the way; I seriously doubt that you, or even most users on here (though to be fair most users don't claim to), in any way "support" the scene. The people supporting the scene are the devs; those of us who actually do work and contribute (whether that be by developing homebrews and CFWs or just searching for and creating new exploits), not just sit around and use flashcarts so that they can download and play ROMs instead of buying games and supporting actual developers. By merely owning a flashcart and pirating ROMs, you are in no conceivable way supporting the scene, you are merely leeching off of it (and there's nothing wrong with that, in and of itself/nothing inherently wrong with that; if no-one used the homebrew and whatnot, a lot of devs wouldn't feel motivated to do their work in the first place, however, credit where credit is due, and you are not "supporting" anything besides your own enjoyment of other people's work (which, again, there is nothing inherently wrong with. Just don't try and take credit for other peoples work, or claim that you're doing work/putting effort in when you're actually not.)). Now then, onto the meat of the matter, the rampant fanboyism: It seems to me that most people forget that the Gateway Team is a public company. They are not doing this for the "love of the scene". They are not doing this because they like you. They are not doing this because they want to give you something special. They are doing this because they want money. Specifically, our money. Gateway is a company, not a hacker-group; just like the Sky team, and even the R5 and all the other clones, they're trying to make money. For example, anyone consider why they weren't so hot on the butter when it came to supporting devmenu? Maybe, just maybe, that was because once they did (as they now do), people with a bunch of 3DS's/2DS's only need to buy one single cart since they can install most games to the regular SD-card of their other consoles once they've run the exploit and have all the necessities installed, as opposed to buying one separate card for each and every one of their units (or their families collective units, or whichever is applicable). When did they fix full and official devmenu support? Basically the instant that it was out that the first (albeit highly unstable)CFWwas out amongst devs, and that it could be installed on a 4.5 system without a GW red card(without any of GWs products. They only gave their official support once they were forced to by the competition. They are a company. They want to sell their product. They are not a hacker-group. They do not do this for the sheer love of the scene/for the pride and bragging-rights. They do it to make money. Now then, as to what we can "demand" from them. We can actually, as customers, demand that they live up to their promises. Saying that we "don't have rights" isn't true and it typical fanboy-talk, because the fact of the matter is that we have paid money for a product. If they were just a team/a person, like e.g. Smealum (the main guy behind ninjhax for those who don't know) doing all of this for free during their spare time, you would have a point (but even then, he got some well-deserved flak for bragging and telling everyone about his amazing work bloody months before delivering anything, and if you talk big, you should be able to back it up; if you can't, wait with your big announcements until you've actually got something to show for it). However, GW aren't doing this for free; particularly not in this case. I would even say that they've been outright shady (which might arguably be expected from a company that literally makes it's money off of enabling others to commit illegal activities, but something being "expected" doesn't mean that it's morally acceptable). See, the thing is, they didn't announce their fancy new exploit as early as they did for no reason; they did it because they wanted to push more units. They wanted to sell. They wanted to make more money. They understandably wanted in on the holiday buck, as the yuletide buck is one of the, if not plain the biggest buck of the year. Parents, SOs, friends etcetera buy for eachother and for themselves; everyone buys a shitload more stuff than any other time of the year, particularly entertainment devices/toys, which is after all what consoles (and their peripherals) are. But, they couldn't sell it based on it's current feature-set, as that serves only a minority group (those who have in their possession, or have access to, one or several 3DS/3DS's with the 4.5 firmware(s)) and most people in that minority group who are interested in a product of this kind already have one (or more, even), so what do they do? They make promises. They sold/sell their product not primarily on current features, but on the promise of future features. Now, as is expected, they have been very vague and constantly avoiding giving any specific time-indicators (and it, in a very bitter way, amuses me to see how quickly the fanboys forget the debacle from just a year back); however, one fact rings true; they have used words which they (and we all) very well know how people will react to and interpret. It's not feasible to say that "Well "soon" and "just around the corner" and "any day now" can mean in a years time", because in practice, it can't. GW knows how people will interpret that sort of wording; if they didn't, they wouldn't use it so consistently. It's based around giving people hope and making them think that something is going to happen soon - and as such, making them buy their product - but at the same time being able to back out and say "hey, we didn't promise any dates, we didn't set any specific time". They don't say "soon" because they think it will be "soon", they say "soon" because they know that that will make people hopeful, and, as such, buy their product. It's often very hard to set a time-frame for this kind of work (most people who have ever worked with anything like this - professionally or otherwise - would already know this), but that's why you do not use words like "soon". Instead, you say things like "We don't know yet" or just plain the honest "We have no idea when it'll be done, we're just at the point where we finally know for a fact that it is at all doable, so it will be done at some point in the future". Saying things like "soon" and "just around the corner" has no point other than to entice people to buy their stuff - and as such, as consumers, we do actually have some right to demand that they live up to their promises. It doesn't matter that they haven't given an exact date, when they have - knowingly and deliberately - used phrasing specifically to make people buy their stuff/create hype and hope. People (usually with due right) throw a shitfit whenever stuff like this happens in any other area - From Software didn't live up to their implicit promises regarding the graphics in Dark Souls 2 (even though they never explicitly promised that the trailer graphics were the final graphics), what happens? Shitfit. Ubisoft provably doesn't deliver the graphics for Watch Dogs that they originally showed to people in their first trailer (even though they never explicitly promised that those were the final graphics), but it can be unlocked through conf-editing; what happens? Shitfit. The list goes on. When a creator of a product makes statements that might not be super-specific in nature, but are very obviously worded so as to create hope and hype while at the same time creating enough crawlspace for the creator to back out and say "Hey, I didn't make any explicit promises!" you should not defend it, you should call it out. Again, people need to realize that; Gateway are not your friends, they are a company. They don't want to do nice things for you just for the sake of being nice; they want your money. If they wanted to just be nice/if money wasn't their primary concern, they'd release all of their stuff into the wild, open up their source-code, let other devs get a look at it and tweak, modify and improve upon it; maybe sell a few flashcarts on the side for those who are truly not interested in anything but playing ROMs and just want a "plug-and-play"-type solution; but they're not doing that (and what's worse, they knowingly and with intent insert code to brick peoples hardware, or did we all forget about that little event?). Why not? Because they're not your friends, they're not my friends, and they're certainly not the scenes friends. They are a company, and to them, you are just a wallet that walks like a man. They continue to give support because that means continued revenue, i.e., continued cashflow, i.e., more money in their pockets. They don't do it out of the good of their hearts, and no (semi-)adult person should be believing that. We have a right to be demanding, because we are their customers and give our money to them, and they are a company that sells a product. Even more so, as of late, they sell their product based on a promise, and knowingly and deliberately word their communications to their customers in such a way as to keep hopes up and hype high. Saying that we have no right to be demanding is the same thing as saying that I can't be demanding ofToyotawhen they've promised me that my car will use up such and such many litres of fuel per kilometre; we are customers, and they're a company making promises. We are not risk-capital investors or silent partners, those two groups might not be able to make any demands, but customers that pay money for a product can and should be demanding (in moderation though, of course). We shouldn't just "let GW take their time", if they're pulling BS or acting in a shady manner. If they're pulling BS or acting in a shady manner, they should be called out on it, not defended. They're a company. They don't care about you, they care about your money (and making it their money). They don't need your defending; that's like the abused spouse defending his/her/it's assailant. So, that's my two cents, and an attempt to be a bit more neutral and bring at least one non-fanboy view to the table. Cheers, fellas, and stay civil.

2Hack · May 6, 2015

Cherry Pie said:
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I can do more if you wish.

GhostLatte · May 6, 2015

2Hack said:
I can do more if you wish.

Bring it on big boy

2Hack · May 6, 2015

Cherry Pie said:
Bring it on big boy

darmani11 said: Ok, I've been a lurker for the longest time, but this post is ostensibly what finally made me make an account, to make what might very well be both my first *and last* post on here. I'll say right now that most fanboys will probably jump on a hate-train just halfway through reading this, so let me say now; try to keep a level head, yeah? (And props to all of those of you who can remain rational). The fanboyism here really does reach ridiculous levels. While my time of lurking has lead me to understand that most (or at the very least "a lot") of people on here are fanboys, this thread, and the quoted post in particular, really starts to reach astronomical proportions, so just for the sake of getting a second/nuanced opinion in, or at the very, very least a counterpoint to all of the blatantly biased fanboyism running rampant on here, I'll post my attempt at an actual, somewhat neutral, non-fanboy view here. Firstly, let's get one thing out of the way; I seriously doubt that you, or even most users on here (though to be fair most users don't claim to), in any way "support" the scene. The people supporting the scene are the devs; those of us who actually do work and contribute (whether that be by developing homebrews and CFWs or just searching for and creating new exploits), not just sit around and use flashcarts so that they can download and play ROMs instead of buying games and supporting actual developers. By merely owning a flashcart and pirating ROMs, you are in no conceivable way supporting the scene, you are merely leeching off of it (and there's nothing wrong with that, in and of itself/nothing inherently wrong with that; if no-one used the homebrew and whatnot, a lot of devs wouldn't feel motivated to do their work in the first place, however, credit where credit is due, and you are not "supporting" anything besides your own enjoyment of other people's work (which, again, there is nothing inherently wrong with. Just don't try and take credit for other peoples work, or claim that you're doing work/putting effort in when you're actually not.)). Now then, onto the meat of the matter, the rampant fanboyism: It seems to me that most people forget that the Gateway Team is a public company. They are not doing this for the "love of the scene". They are not doing this because they like you. They are not doing this because they want to give you something special. They are doing this because they want money. Specifically, our money. Gateway is a company, not a hacker-group; just like the Sky team, and even the R5 and all the other clones, they're trying to make money. For example, anyone consider why they weren't so hot on the butter when it came to supporting devmenu? Maybe, just maybe, that was because once they did (as they now do), people with a bunch of 3DS's/2DS's only need to buy one single cart since they can install most games to the regular SD-card of their other consoles once they've run the exploit and have all the necessities installed, as opposed to buying one separate card for each and every one of their units (or their families collective units, or whichever is applicable). When did they fix full and official devmenu support? Basically the instant that it was out that the first (albeit highly unstable)CFWwas out amongst devs, and that it could be installed on a 4.5 system without a GW red card(without any of GWs products. They only gave their official support once they were forced to by the competition. They are a company. They want to sell their product. They are not a hacker-group. They do not do this for the sheer love of the scene/for the pride and bragging-rights. They do it to make money. Now then, as to what we can "demand" from them. We can actually, as customers, demand that they live up to their promises. Saying that we "don't have rights" isn't true and it typical fanboy-talk, because the fact of the matter is that we have paid money for a product. If they were just a team/a person, like e.g. Smealum (the main guy behind ninjhax for those who don't know) doing all of this for free during their spare time, you would have a point (but even then, he got some well-deserved flak for bragging and telling everyone about his amazing work bloody months before delivering anything, and if you talk big, you should be able to back it up; if you can't, wait with your big announcements until you've actually got something to show for it). However, GW aren't doing this for free; particularly not in this case. I would even say that they've been outright shady (which might arguably be expected from a company that literally makes it's money off of enabling others to commit illegal activities, but something being "expected" doesn't mean that it's morally acceptable). See, the thing is, they didn't announce their fancy new exploit as early as they did for no reason; they did it because they wanted to push more units. They wanted to sell. They wanted to make more money. They understandably wanted in on the holiday buck, as the yuletide buck is one of the, if not plain the biggest buck of the year. Parents, SOs, friends etcetera buy for eachother and for themselves; everyone buys a shitload more stuff than any other time of the year, particularly entertainment devices/toys, which is after all what consoles (and their peripherals) are. But, they couldn't sell it based on it's current feature-set, as that serves only a minority group (those who have in their possession, or have access to, one or several 3DS/3DS's with the 4.5 firmware(s)) and most people in that minority group who are interested in a product of this kind already have one (or more, even), so what do they do? They make promises. They sold/sell their product not primarily on current features, but on the promise of future features. Now, as is expected, they have been very vague and constantly avoiding giving any specific time-indicators (and it, in a very bitter way, amuses me to see how quickly the fanboys forget the debacle from just a year back); however, one fact rings true; they have used words which they (and we all) very well know how people will react to and interpret. It's not feasible to say that "Well "soon" and "just around the corner" and "any day now" can mean in a years time", because in practice, it can't. GW knows how people will interpret that sort of wording; if they didn't, they wouldn't use it so consistently. It's based around giving people hope and making them think that something is going to happen soon - and as such, making them buy their product - but at the same time being able to back out and say "hey, we didn't promise any dates, we didn't set any specific time". They don't say "soon" because they think it will be "soon", they say "soon" because they know that that will make people hopeful, and, as such, buy their product. It's often very hard to set a time-frame for this kind of work (most people who have ever worked with anything like this - professionally or otherwise - would already know this), but that's why you do not use words like "soon". Instead, you say things like "We don't know yet" or just plain the honest "We have no idea when it'll be done, we're just at the point where we finally know for a fact that it is at all doable, so it will be done at some point in the future". Saying things like "soon" and "just around the corner" has no point other than to entice people to buy their stuff - and as such, as consumers, we do actually have some right to demand that they live up to their promises. It doesn't matter that they haven't given an exact date, when they have - knowingly and deliberately - used phrasing specifically to make people buy their stuff/create hype and hope. People (usually with due right) throw a shitfit whenever stuff like this happens in any other area - From Software didn't live up to their implicit promises regarding the graphics in Dark Souls 2 (even though they never explicitly promised that the trailer graphics were the final graphics), what happens? Shitfit. Ubisoft provably doesn't deliver the graphics for Watch Dogs that they originally showed to people in their first trailer (even though they never explicitly promised that those were the final graphics), but it can be unlocked through conf-editing; what happens? Shitfit. The list goes on. When a creator of a product makes statements that might not be super-specific in nature, but are very obviously worded so as to create hope and hype while at the same time creating enough crawlspace for the creator to back out and say "Hey, I didn't make any explicit promises!" you should not defend it, you should call it out. Again, people need to realize that; Gateway are not your friends, they are a company. They don't want to do nice things for you just for the sake of being nice; they want your money. If they wanted to just be nice/if money wasn't their primary concern, they'd release all of their stuff into the wild, open up their source-code, let other devs get a look at it and tweak, modify and improve upon it; maybe sell a few flashcarts on the side for those who are truly not interested in anything but playing ROMs and just want a "plug-and-play"-type solution; but they're not doing that (and what's worse, they knowingly and with intent insert code to brick peoples hardware, or did we all forget about that little event?). Why not? Because they're not your friends, they're not my friends, and they're certainly not the scenes friends. They are a company, and to them, you are just a wallet that walks like a man. They continue to give support because that means continued revenue, i.e., continued cashflow, i.e., more money in their pockets. They don't do it out of the good of their hearts, and no (semi-)adult person should be believing that. We have a right to be demanding, because we are their customers and give our money to them, and they are a company that sells a product. Even more so, as of late, they sell their product based on a promise, and knowingly and deliberately word their communications to their customers in such a way as to keep hopes up and hype high. Saying that we have no right to be demanding is the same thing as saying that I can't be demanding ofToyotawhen they've promised me that my car will use up such and such many litres of fuel per kilometre; we are customers, and they're a company making promises. We are not risk-capital investors or silent partners, those two groups might not be able to make any demands, but customers that pay money for a product can and should be demanding (in moderation though, of course). We shouldn't just "let GW take their time", if they're pulling BS or acting in a shady manner. If they're pulling BS or acting in a shady manner, they should be called out on it, not defended. They're a company. They don't care about you, they care about your money (and making it their money). They don't need your defending; that's like the abused spouse defending his/her/it's assailant. So, that's my two cents, and an attempt to be a bit more neutral and bring at least one non-fanboy view to the table. Cheers, fellas, and stay civil.

It's kind of not so much the announcement itself as the way it has been worded and announced all this time though. It's true that people should have been told right from the start that they needed to go to 9.2 while they could and to not update to 9.3 once it finally came out before it was too late, but they've been implying right from the start that the release was basically out the door just needing some final polish to release.

Originally Posted by caries View Post They are not doing this for the "love of the scene". They are not doing this because they like you. They are not doing this because they want to give you something special. They are doing this because they want money. Specifically, our money.

Seriously, I'm also breaking my lurking ways for this. While I get that a lot of what people are saying is just "please be patient, everyone is already asking this and we just don't know when it will be" often in these things you do get people defending the company's right to not deliver. Ok, maybe it's a bit of a shady area already given how much such devices are used for illegal things (and btw, thereARElegal uses as well! And no, I don't just mean homebrew. Modifications and imports for instance. I find the dubbing in many JRPGs localized to be physically painful and some I already have bought have undubs available which I pretty well need to be able to properly enjoy them -- and just to be clear, no, this isn't some elitism or something where I think Japanese is the superior language or something. I just find localization companies to do a sucky job is all. Most primarily English games have perfectly good voice acting. Some even blow me away like the Blood Omen/Soul Reaver series did -- I'd KILL to have dubs sound like those games did...) Anyway, there are a few things that have bothered me. First, I've been seeing people say "buy them now before the update because the prices will go up afterwards." (Mostly elsewhere I'll admit, but people are saying it.) It's already horribly expensive for a backup cart (do you have any idea how hard it was to make myself plunk down all the cash needed to get a Supercard DSTWO instead of my old Acekard 2i once the 2DS/3DS started that new block?) So yes, I jumped in in a hurry because it hurt enough as it was and I needed it to not cost a dime more than it already did. But also, they've been kind of tricking us in some ways that I presume aren't intentional. For example, why did they tell us that they were going to start with 9.0-9.2 and then work on previous firmwares going backwards? The implication of this statement is they intend to release it for 9.0-9.2 first, then they'll be providing updates as they go in supporting previous firmwares. Otherwise they're just randomly telling us their methodology which absolutely does not in any way matter. (And honestly, I really don't get why they didn't just do it that way. They were already telling us to update to 9.2 while it was still possible and all, so probably the largest number of people watching for this have already done so with a much smaller percentage stuck on earlier firmwares. Especially since in the last update they already had it down to the 7.x era, yet there's at least one common popular game which can update a system offline to 8.x that probably isn't hard to borrow without even having to buy.) Then too, I kept seeing people say stuff like that the sales team had told them a release is only days away. I kept thinking "ok, maybe they're going for roughly a Christmas-time release" or "just one more day." Still, up until that last update they basically weren't saying anything and even it didn't really say anything. I guess more than anything else I'm kind of irritated that they're sitting on it until they get all those older versions working which really should have been a lower priority. (Not never obviously, but, like I said, it's really easy to at least get to 8.x even if you missed the chance to get to 9.2 while it was possible.) I'm also very concerned because they haven't said a single word about the actual update process. The old exploit isn't physically possible -- that cheap R4i clone or whatever the blue card is isn't going to work past the major NDS backup cart block even if a legacy support exploit were still being utilized. It has been said that it has a chip inside so people are speculating that you can update it while it's still being blocked by putting a file on the MicroSDHC card like with the DSTWO, but there has been absolutely no statement that this is actually the case (just because it has a chip doesn't mean that it's setup to actually look for an update and update itself automatically like that. Especially since this likely would require a firmware flash to the cart...) I had assumed it was like that, but couldn't find any actual evidence that this is the case, so now it's more than a bit worrying. Shouldn't they be telling people whether or not it's safe to buy a cart now? Otherwise it would be better to wait until the resellers update their carts or get new ones already updated. As it is, it worries me that I may have to try to get someone with 4.5 to update mine for me (which would be tricky and I'm not very comfortable with the idea.) It was probably stupid of me to jump on board right away and get one early, but at the same time, as has already been stated, they essentially did try to get people to do this (though I don't blame them for stuff like people elsewhere stating that we should get them while they're available.) So yeah, some of us worry a bit and we spent quite a lot of money on this hardware, so I think we're at least entitled to worry a bit. Within limitations obviously. We can't demand that they release an update right this second or something, but with so little information, we can at least wish they'd give us more info. One of the reasons I've been lurking so long is I've been trying to figure out all the basics on this thing (like how it works and etc.) It's actually odd how little info there seems to be about how this thing works and all on their site. In fact, the most informative thing I've found at all is just a really simplistic picture (why the heck is it a picture?) that's actually a bit confusing with the way it's presented which explains how to install and use the exploit on 4.5 with no actual details on how any of the menus or whatever actually work. A nice simple five page manual or something would have been nice. Even a simple FAQ page or something. I'm particularly worried about if > 4.5 users are going to be able to actually make this work on their own though and I'll admit it. Oh well. It makes me feel good to get that off my chest anyway, lol. I really do hope they hurry and update soon though. If nothing else, even if all goes perfectly smoothly, this thing has been sitting around basically useless for too long and I'm basically unable to play the games I'm going to be switching to it for (why the heck did Nintendo do this weird encryption thing on the saves anyway? That really sucks... I guess they were worried about exploits or something, but some sort of save processing or something to import would have at least made it possible for people to share saves or move between systems without having to do a complete system transfer -- which is probably what I should have done back before it was too late.)

GhostLatte · May 6, 2015

2Hack said:
 It's kind of not so much the announcement itself as the way it has been worded and announced all this time though. It's true that people should have been told right from the start that they needed to go to 9.2 while they could and to not update to 9.3 once it finally came out before it was too late, but they've been implying right from the start that the release was basically out the door just needing some final polish to release. Seriously, I'm also breaking my lurking ways for this. While I get that a lot of what people are saying is just "please be patient, everyone is already asking this and we just don't know when it will be" often in these things you do get people defending the company's right to not deliver. Ok, maybe it's a bit of a shady area already given how much such devices are used for illegal things (and btw, thereARElegal uses as well! And no, I don't just mean homebrew. Modifications and imports for instance. I find the dubbing in many JRPGs localized to be physically painful and some I already have bought have undubs available which I pretty well need to be able to properly enjoy them -- and just to be clear, no, this isn't some elitism or something where I think Japanese is the superior language or something. I just find localization companies to do a sucky job is all. Most primarily English games have perfectly good voice acting. Some even blow me away like the Blood Omen/Soul Reaver series did -- I'd KILL to have dubs sound like those games did...) Anyway, there are a few things that have bothered me. First, I've been seeing people say "buy them now before the update because the prices will go up afterwards." (Mostly elsewhere I'll admit, but people are saying it.) It's already horribly expensive for a backup cart (do you have any idea how hard it was to make myself plunk down all the cash needed to get a Supercard DSTWO instead of my old Acekard 2i once the 2DS/3DS started that new block?) So yes, I jumped in in a hurry because it hurt enough as it was and I needed it to not cost a dime more than it already did. But also, they've been kind of tricking us in some ways that I presume aren't intentional. For example, why did they tell us that they were going to start with 9.0-9.2 and then work on previous firmwares going backwards? The implication of this statement is they intend to release it for 9.0-9.2 first, then they'll be providing updates as they go in supporting previous firmwares. Otherwise they're just randomly telling us their methodology which absolutely does not in any way matter. (And honestly, I really don't get why they didn't just do it that way. They were already telling us to update to 9.2 while it was still possible and all, so probably the largest number of people watching for this have already done so with a much smaller percentage stuck on earlier firmwares. Especially since in the last update they already had it down to the 7.x era, yet there's at least one common popular game which can update a system offline to 8.x that probably isn't hard to borrow without even having to buy.) Then too, I kept seeing people say stuff like that the sales team had told them a release is only days away. I kept thinking "ok, maybe they're going for roughly a Christmas-time release" or "just one more day." Still, up until that last update they basically weren't saying anything and even it didn't really say anything. I guess more than anything else I'm kind of irritated that they're sitting on it until they get all those older versions working which really should have been a lower priority. (Not never obviously, but, like I said, it's really easy to at least get to 8.x even if you missed the chance to get to 9.2 while it was possible.) I'm also very concerned because they haven't said a single word about the actual update process. The old exploit isn't physically possible -- that cheap R4i clone or whatever the blue card is isn't going to work past the major NDS backup cart block even if a legacy support exploit were still being utilized. It has been said that it has a chip inside so people are speculating that you can update it while it's still being blocked by putting a file on the MicroSDHC card like with the DSTWO, but there has been absolutely no statement that this is actually the case (just because it has a chip doesn't mean that it's setup to actually look for an update and update itself automatically like that. Especially since this likely would require a firmware flash to the cart...) I had assumed it was like that, but couldn't find any actual evidence that this is the case, so now it's more than a bit worrying. Shouldn't they be telling people whether or not it's safe to buy a cart now? Otherwise it would be better to wait until the resellers update their carts or get new ones already updated. As it is, it worries me that I may have to try to get someone with 4.5 to update mine for me (which would be tricky and I'm not very comfortable with the idea.) It was probably stupid of me to jump on board right away and get one early, but at the same time, as has already been stated, they essentially did try to get people to do this (though I don't blame them for stuff like people elsewhere stating that we should get them while they're available.) So yeah, some of us worry a bit and we spent quite a lot of money on this hardware, so I think we're at least entitled to worry a bit. Within limitations obviously. We can't demand that they release an update right this second or something, but with so little information, we can at least wish they'd give us more info. One of the reasons I've been lurking so long is I've been trying to figure out all the basics on this thing (like how it works and etc.) It's actually odd how little info there seems to be about how this thing works and all on their site. In fact, the most informative thing I've found at all is just a really simplistic picture (why the heck is it a picture?) that's actually a bit confusing with the way it's presented which explains how to install and use the exploit on 4.5 with no actual details on how any of the menus or whatever actually work. A nice simple five page manual or something would have been nice. Even a simple FAQ page or something. I'm particularly worried about if > 4.5 users are going to be able to actually make this work on their own though and I'll admit it. Oh well. It makes me feel good to get that off my chest anyway, lol. I really do hope they hurry and update soon though. If nothing else, even if all goes perfectly smoothly, this thing has been sitting around basically useless for too long and I'm basically unable to play the games I'm going to be switching to it for (why the heck did Nintendo do this weird encryption thing on the saves anyway? That really sucks... I guess they were worried about exploits or something, but some sort of save processing or something to import would have at least made it possible for people to share saves or move between systems without having to do a complete system transfer -- which is probably what I should have done back before it was too late.)

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