Gaming is Dead, and Here's Why

[Foxi4]

Oh yeah, the street pass function with hyper realistic Mii's that will tell you who from the hundreds of people I walked past today has a 3DS. I mean I meet Godot from Ace Attorney on a regular basis yet still I haven't seen anyone with weird goggles, white hair and a fetish for coffee. And on Vita they don't even use avatars and I doubt I'll ever meet someone named Killeraffe (Killermonkey). But at least Vita allows sending friend requests and messages to these random people, 3DS doesn't.

It doesn't? I was pretty sure that you could message people now via MiiVerse - maybe it's only reserved to friends only. As far as the whole avatar/anonymity thing is concerned, nothing's stopping you from sending the forementioned friend request saying that you're a gamer from the neighbourhood, you two just Street Passed and if he/she fancies a game of *insert title*, you're open to have some fun together. Online is a powerful thing, y'know - once you know the person better, you can meet in real life if you please. I do see your point, I'm just not that kind of a shopper. Approaching me in a store because I seem to have similar interests would result in creeping me out - "thanks, that's very nice of you Mr.Total Stranger, I'll be on my way out now".

 

[CathyRina]

It doesn't? I was pretty sure that you could message people now via MiiVerse - maybe it's only reserved to friends only. As far as the whole avatar/anonymity thing, nothing's stopping you from sending the forementioned friend request saying that you're a gamer from the neighbourhood, you two just Street Passed and if he/she fancies a game of *insert title*, you're open to have some fun together. Online is a powerful thing, y'know - once you know the person better, you can meet in real life if you please. I do see your point, I'm just not that kind of a shopper. Approaching me in a store because I seem to have similar interests would result in creeping me out - "thanks, that's very nice of you Mr.Total Stranger, I'll be on my way out now".

No it doesn't. Which pisses me off the most about the 3DS.
On the Wii U you can message other people afaik but friends only. I dunno if you can send friend requests, probably yes but the 3DS version can't. You can't send people messages, even friends, since the shutdown of this Swap note app or whatever it's called in english. And on 3DS Mii verse you can only follow other people's post like some sort of twitter. Literally the only way to contact friends on the 3DS is to call them over to Animal crossing, which has a chat function, or Heroes of Ruin, a really bad game that uses DS quality voice chat.
Nintendo probably did this because of these pedos using swap note to contact children but even then why can the video chat function on Wii U exist and a drawing mailing app gets the ban hammer? Nintendo is a mystery on it's own I guess. *insert please understand here*

 

[Foxi4]

No it doesn't. Which pisses me off the most about the 3DS. On the Wii U you can message other people afaik but friends only. I dunno if you can send friend requests, probably yes but the 3DS version can't. You can't send people messages, even friends, since the shutdown of this Swap note app or whatever it's called in english. And on 3DS Mii verse you can only follow other people's post like some sort of twitter. Literally the only way to contact friends on the 3DS is to call them over to Animal crossing, which has a chat function, or Heroes of Ruin, a really bad game that uses DS quality voice chat.
Nintendo probably did this because of these pedos using swap note to contact children but even then why can the video chat function on Wii U exist and a drawing mailing app gets the ban hammer? Nintendo is a mystery on it's own I guess. *insert please understand here*

Nintendo is just being historically terrible with online services, they really need to step their game up and understand that a few isolated incidents don't mean that we should revert to the stone age because communication is dangerous. They've made huge strides with MiiVerse, but they're still lagging behind in other areas of player-to-player interaction.

I also just had a short chat with my girlfriend about the store things, here are the results:

Her: Look, I see it like this. I will sometimes go into a store, wanting to buy a game but don't know which one to get. I overhear some stupid woman going to buy her kid a shitty game like brain training because it's educational... I say no, go for Mario Kart. It'll prepare them for the roads for when they're older. Or talking parents out of buying CoD for their kids because I'm evil.
Me: XD I like the latter part, this pleases me.
Her: Babe... I have done that at least 10 times... XD I even made 1 woman switch on parental controls on the Xbox to limit their kid's usage online to one hour a day.
Me: I want to publish snippets of this conversation so hard now, you are the perfect social shopper. XD
(...)
Her: I laughed all day over that... I still continue to laugh X3
(...)
Me: This is a small step for you and a huge step for online communities to get rid of whiney kids. X3

She is my rock.

 

[Subzero100]

"Gaming is Dead"


Wow surprise there as i've know this since before the xbox 360, and its not just due to lack of innovation it's the actual games themselves. Anyone can say that call of duty is blame for this, but it's the endless sequels that people keep buying every year. I remember back when the snes was out we got virety with games like street fighter II, Mario world, star fox, f-zero etc. Where now such a thing doesn't exist anymore, and i don't think these companies care about real gamers which is apparent with the loads of crap you get compared to anything of real quality. I envisioned all of this way back when the ps2 came out, and that's why i stock piled every good rom i could find for all the real classic systems for just a occasion.....and now that day is here.

 

[CompassNorth]

My 90 hours on payday 2 over the past two weeks begs to differ ;o;

This is because Payday 2 is a relatively good game

The game might be decent, but the developers and how they're handling the game only support the idea why gaming is "dead", not oppose it.

Anywho I'm going to have to disagree with some points of the article which probably has been said, but tl;dr some of these post so fuq dat
I could be completely wrong here, but how innovative was the SNES from the NES, GBA to GB(C), ect? You said current gen consoles didn't really do much innovating and focus on beefier hardware, but didn't some of the most beloved consoles do this as well?
(Also come on really? We both know the 2DS was not invented because the 3D was hurting's people eyes as it was purely optional. The 2DS is only capable of producing mono sounds, did having stereo sounds mess up people's ears? Did the Wii having gamecube ports and having internet connectivity bother people so much Nintendo had to make the Wii Mini?)

The rest of the article I can understand your point.
Gaming isn't dead, it's just not what it used to be.
It's a industry where most companies have the profits in mind, not the consumer.

 

[CathyRina]

She is my rock.

You have an awesome girlfriend.

 

[vayanui8]

No it doesn't. Which pisses me off the most about the 3DS.
On the Wii U you can message other people afaik but friends only. I dunno if you can send friend requests, probably yes but the 3DS version can't. You can't send people messages, even friends, since the shutdown of this Swap note app or whatever it's called in english. And on 3DS Mii verse you can only follow other people's post like some sort of twitter. Literally the only way to contact friends on the 3DS is to call them over to Animal crossing, which has a chat function, or Heroes of Ruin, a really bad game that uses DS quality voice chat.
Nintendo probably did this because of these pedos using swap note to contact children but even then why can the video chat function on Wii U exist and a drawing mailing app gets the ban hammer? Nintendo is a mystery on it's own I guess. *insert please understand here*

If you pass by someone multiple times you can send them a short message, but its not much.

 

[CathyRina]

If you pass by someone multiple times you can send them a short message, but its not much.

Yes, a personal greeting that will be send the next time you meet if you meet again.
Also not long enough to be useful even if you meet again.

 

[vayanui8]

Yes, a personal greeting that will be send the next time you meet if you meet again.
Also not long enough to be useful even if you meet again.

Didn't say it was good, just said it technically existed lol

 

[Foxi4]

Yeah, Nintendo needs to revamp their whole approach towards player-to-player communication. Sure, allowing players to communicate with each other over their system opens the doors to some abuse (as any method of communication does), but the convenience of millions should not be sacrificed because of the abuses of a few - if anything, they just need to implement a good reporting system and hire a proper moderating team to look through reports of suspicious activity. I'm sure law-breakers of all sorts use cellular phones, but you don't see mobile providers shutting their doors because of it.

 

[vayanui8]

Yeah, Nintendo needs to revamp their whole approach towards player-to-player communication. Sure, allowing players to communicate with each other over their system opens the doors to some abuse (as any method of communication does), but the convenience of millions should not be sacrificed because of the abuses of a few - if anything, they just need to implement a good reporting system and hire a proper moderating team to look through reports of suspicious activity. I'm sure law-breakers of all sorts use cellular phones, but you don't see mobile providers shutting their doors because of it.

Its like how they disabled swapnote because people were using it to send porn. They're too afraid of hurting they're family friendly image so they attempt to solve it in a way that's harmful to the consumer. They should think of an permanent solution instead of continuing to put it off with weak temporary solutions

 

[Sicklyboy]

The game might be decent, but the developers and how they're handling the game only support the idea why gaming is "dead", not oppose it.[...]

I'm assuming you mean on the amount of DLC. Yes, DLC is everyone's favorite thing in the world, paying for extra content that doesn't ship with the game. More money on top of what you already spent. If the DLC is quality, like a good few of them are for Payday 2, I don't mind it. You know, years and years ago we had these things for games called "expansion packs". They were these things that you'd go to the store and pick up usually about a year after the game was released, they required the base game to play, and they often cost about what the original price of the game did sometimes, but they added a metric buttload of content.

DLC is last decade's expansion packs. You're still buying extra content for the game, although in much smaller chunks. The price is (usually) much smaller to go along with that.

 

[Foxi4]

Its like how they disabled swapnote because people were using it to send porn. They're too afraid of hurting they're family friendly image so they attempt to solve it in a way that's harmful to the consumer. They should think of an permanent solution instead of continuing to put it off with weak temporary solutions

Pretty much.

1. Messenger does not work properly and can be abused, this is a problem.
2. Shut down the messenger.
3. There is no problem.

I wonder what the fan reaction would be like if they solved the Wii U issue in the same fashion.

1. Wii U doesn't sell well aside from the occasional spike due to a first-party release, this is a problem.
2. Shut down production.
3. There is no problem.

You can only hide your head in the sand for so long, the reality always catches up with you in the long run. Obliterating a service does not fix the service's problems, it just leaves a void.

 

[CathyRina]

Yeah, Nintendo needs to revamp their whole approach towards player-to-player communication. Sure, allowing players to communicate with each other over their system opens the doors to some abuse (as any method of communication does), but the convenience of millions should not be sacrificed because of the abuses of a few - if anything, they just need to implement a good reporting system and hire a proper moderating team to look through reports of suspicious activity. I'm sure law-breakers of all sorts use cellular phones, but you don't see mobile providers shutting their doors because of it.

It's funny though because I remember ninty fanboys being totally fine with removal of swap note because "oh the poor children". Ninty totally didn't had any other way to solve the problem.
I really hope that the hacking scene will finally reach a point there flashcards are usable on updated systems because a chat/PM homebrew is what the 3DS needs.
Until then we can use Social Neko which is 3DS specific website with browser chat but I haven't tried that out yet. It probably wont be as good as a homebrew could be. I remember using facebook chat on 3DS once and 3DS has this stupid pre smartphone text based facebook. The only CSS design is the banner and in some languages it don't even work.

 

[Foxi4]

It's funny though because I remember ninty fanboys being totally fine with removal of swap note because "oh the poor children". Ninty totally didn't had any other way to solve the problem. I really hope that the hacking scene will finally reach a point there flashcards are usable on updated systems because a chat/PM homebrew is what the 3DS needs. Until then we can use Social Neko which is 3DS specific website with browser chat but I haven't tried that out yet. It probably wont be as good as a homebrew could be. I remember using facebook chat on 3DS once and 3DS has this stupid pre smartphone text based facebook. The only CSS design is the banner and in some languages it don't even work.

I don't think homebrew can fix this problem efficiently - the great majority of users do not use homebrew and don't own hacked systems or flash carts. You'd have better luck with the website, but that's also terribly niche. The problem needs to be addressed by Nintendo and PM'ing functionality should just be integrated into the OS, there's next to no reason why it shouldn't be there. We live in the 21st century, our consoles are online almost 24/7 and we don't get the option to communicate with one another without resorting to external means of communication? That's embarrasing.

Anywho, let's not derail the thread and head back to the subject at hand - gaming and why it's supposedly dead. I don't want Ryu hunting me later.

 

[stinkoman]

PC gaming's going pretty well, what with virtual reality, 4k, and the huge number of amazing looking indie games coming out soon. Consoles are definitely on their way out though, this generation is mediocre as fuck.

 

[chyron8472]

I agree that the reason why you think gaming is dead is because you don't make use of Steam or GOG. Actually, many Steam and GOG games are, in fact, also available on Mac. But yeah, you're not a member of the glorious PC gaming master race, and that's the real problem.

Besides, this new console generation has only just started, and you might change your mind when Nintendo gets their act together and actually releases games for their current console.

 

[Ryukouki]

Anywho, let's not derail the thread and head back to the subject at hand - gaming and why it's supposedly dead. I don't want Ryu hunting me later.

Too late. I'm outside your door.

 

[Roamin64]

You forgot to mention that most games come out incomplete and buggy, and we end up being beta testers waiting on patches to fix launch problems.

 

[NakedFaerie]

I"m a gamer that started with the Commodore 64 and Amstrad CPC464 so I've been gaming for more than most of you here have even been alive.
There are lots of reasons I see that make Gaming not as good as it was 10 to 20 years ago.
The main reason I see is money. The game developers are no longer in it to make a good game they are in it for the money. You see with games like Battlefield and Call Of Duty as they aren't good games they are just money makers. I do like COD and I for some unknown reason buy Battlefield but I hate it. I guess I just hope it will be better than the last but it never is. But COD has a great story and I think its got good gameplay compared to Battlefield its a lot better but the way they price it then add extra DLC and In App Purchases make it a huge money maker and give it a huge pricetag.
I remember years ago we all complained about the price of games here in Aus when they reached $120AUD. They ended up dropping to $80 BUT they added high priced DLC and made a part of the game that DLC so when you paid for the full game it ended up more than $120 so to you it looks like your paying for a cheaper game at $80 but you buy the DLC so it now costs you $150. See, you are a huge sucker and giving them money they DONT deserve.

I remember all those LAN sessions and online multiplayer sessions of Quake 2. That was an awesome game and online was so much fun. As you can see by my avatar thats the Quake 2 skin I use. A Naked Faerie. Back in the Quake 2 days nobody would shoot a naked woman so I won lots of games. These days they will happily shoot anyone wearing anything or nothing. People dont care for skins. It doesn't matter if your a fat naked woman or a tall robot or hitler you will all get shot in the back. Online gamers are no longer in it for the fun, they are in it for the stats. They want to level up quickly and be number 1. Back in Quake 2 I didnt care if I was number 1 or last I had fun, I enjoyed gaming with friends or online. I liked to see what skins people chose and the mods they did. My friend was a fat naked woman and he won lots as he would run up to someone and they wouldn't be moving as they were laughing at the fat naked woman. It was hilarious so see him running past then see all the other players just stop.

So its not just the game devs and their money hungry ways its also the gamer that has killed gaming.
Even singleplayer games have been ruined by society. What is with all the gays wanting everything to be gay? The last I heard is that Tomatchai (I know I spelt it wrong) game as its got only straight people in it and the gays are complaining there are no gays in it. F! OFF! ENOUGH! Get back in the closet and leve the game devs make good games not gay games. If they want to make it with straight people its THEIR choice. If you dont like it then DONT BUY IT! F! OFF!
Thats 1 reason why I love Postal 2. It does have gay people in it, in a gay bar. And what is the first thing I do in that game? Fill the bay with petrol and set it alight and burn those F***ers. I hate them trying to push their filth onto everything.

Another thing gamers are doing is paying for DLC. STOP IT! If you dont buy it then they will stop it. If we all stopped buying DLC they will make it free like it started out as and how it should be. And who likes paying twice for anything? You brought the disc so you have the DLC on the disc already then you have to pay to play that part? WTF? If its on the disc it should NOT be locked down as you've already paid for it. And DLC should NOT be made alongside the game, thats called part of the game and should be on the disc.
DLC started out as a thank you for buying the game and here is a big of support from the devs who listen to its gamers and wants to continue the game. Its usually made AFTER the game is released and free as a thanks.
These days DLC is made and announced when the game is announced. THATS WRONG! and proof they are after more money. When Assassins Creed 4 was announced about 1 month later they announced the DLC. The game still had about 9 months before release and they are already saying about DLC.Thats whats wrong with it, proof the devs no longer care for gamers and only in it to make money.

So to end my speech its not just money hungry devs its also YOU that is to blame. STOP buying DLC, STOP buying Battlefield and COD, START enjoying gaming. Prices will drop if you force them, online gaming will get more fun if you stop and look and start enjoying it.