Nintendo Can't Advance If They Won't Improve their Marketing
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I'm going to throw this out in every advertisement argument thread.
I still say Sony has the best Advertisements out of the 3 for their console.
I always get "Sharing is Caring" stuck in my head after one of their advertisements, and always remember the games they show.
Top notch.
As big of an Xbox Fan I am, their advertisements are few and far between and usually just rely on >insert NFL star player here< to play the console as talk about it.
As for Nintendo, they have to try horrifically hard to first point out that their system IS a new system. In most advertisements I see it's a bunch of kids saying "Wii U is a TOTAL upgrade mom!"
And for a console trying to appeal to core gamers, it's still marketing itself pretty damn hard as a Kids console. Their whole strategy is a mess IMO.
I still say Sony has the best Advertisements out of the 3 for their console.
I always get "Sharing is Caring" stuck in my head after one of their advertisements, and always remember the games they show.
Top notch.
As big of an Xbox Fan I am, their advertisements are few and far between and usually just rely on >insert NFL star player here< to play the console as talk about it.
As for Nintendo, they have to try horrifically hard to first point out that their system IS a new system. In most advertisements I see it's a bunch of kids saying "Wii U is a TOTAL upgrade mom!"
And for a console trying to appeal to core gamers, it's still marketing itself pretty damn hard as a Kids console. Their whole strategy is a mess IMO.
Depending upon the people you speak to GTA 4 and 5 somewhat missed the mark and found themselves eclipsed by Saints Row. Likewise have a look at some of their published titles and things not made by Rockstar North -- it is not all sweetness and light.
Naughty Dog do have some stinkers in their past but that was quite some time ago, so far they do seem to be getting along with things and bailing before it gets too stale.
I still hold if they had implemented play by email then they would be around now.
Yeah, they show a whole lot about what the system is but much less of what it can actually do. The last piece of memorable Wii U advertising I saw was a Pikimin 3 phone booth in Cardiff. That was pretty cool... and a year ago.
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Update:Nvm I got it to work.
GTA 4 has sold over 25 million copies, GTA 5 sales are a billion, so what do you mean by eclipsed?, also when I mention history when it came to console it was primarily meant for that I was just using game companies as a example such as Naughty dogs, and Rockstar to get my point across, but I see what you're saying with Game companies.
That could explain to stupid naming of "Wii U," too people just thought it was the same thing as the Wii and didn't buy it.
jRPG is a regional term for RPGs made in Japan, it's not a genre.What? There are good JRPG's out there, they're just few and far between.
So 1 in 6 people on the planet own GTA V? I don't think that many people have seen Star Wars.
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It is absolutely a sub-genre of RPG's, JRPG's tackle completely different themes than WRPG's, they look and play differently. WRPG's and JRPG's are all RPG's for better or worse, but they are different enough to be separate entities within the bigger genre.
JRPGs are distinct enough to be considered their own separate genre.
Here's a good explanation of the differences (and their origins):
Not all RPGs made in Japan are JRPGs.
I see the Nintendo Hate Train is alive and well.
I agree that the Wii U needs some better games, but assuming they will die is a bit hasty. People've predicted Nintendo's demise since the SNES days, they're simply a company that people like to hate.
I think a lot of the problems with the Wii U tie directly with the economy: people don't have as much earning potential, so they have to make sure every purchase matters. Until Smash, Mario Kart, a new Metroid, Zelda, and possibly something new and exciting hit the Wii U, it's a hard sell. A lot of the market has been riding the FPS and Western style RPGs, which Nintendo really doesn't have any of. That means that the Western market is harder to reach for them. It doesn't help that most of the Western audience cares more about online multiplayer and graphics than anything else these days.
The other problem is Nintendo listened to third parties when they shouldn't have. They complained that they didn't do launches much on Nintendo platforms because Nintendo's games outshone them. So Nintendo partnered with EA and Ubisoft, letting them get a headstart to market, releasing the Wii U before their blockbusters were finished. What happened? Third parties double-crossed Nintendo and didn't release much of anything, leaving people wondering where Nintendo's core franchises were and complaining about the poor ports or remakes of last-gen games.
Nintendo should've done their own thing and let the third parties come to them, as they've done in the past (especially the GBA and DS). They should've had Mario Kart and Smash ready last year, and focused on more franchises than just Mario.
That said, the Wii U is still an interesting console that I'd certainly own if I had more money. I'm hoping to have one this holiday season, since MK and Smash will be out. This E3 is likely to have new Zelda info, too.
The vocal Nintendo Hate Train should go back to what they like instead of bitching about what they don't like. Especially since the kind of people that bitch about Nintendo won't buy their products in the first place.
I agree that the Wii U needs some better games, but assuming they will die is a bit hasty. People've predicted Nintendo's demise since the SNES days, they're simply a company that people like to hate.
I think a lot of the problems with the Wii U tie directly with the economy: people don't have as much earning potential, so they have to make sure every purchase matters. Until Smash, Mario Kart, a new Metroid, Zelda, and possibly something new and exciting hit the Wii U, it's a hard sell. A lot of the market has been riding the FPS and Western style RPGs, which Nintendo really doesn't have any of. That means that the Western market is harder to reach for them. It doesn't help that most of the Western audience cares more about online multiplayer and graphics than anything else these days.
The other problem is Nintendo listened to third parties when they shouldn't have. They complained that they didn't do launches much on Nintendo platforms because Nintendo's games outshone them. So Nintendo partnered with EA and Ubisoft, letting them get a headstart to market, releasing the Wii U before their blockbusters were finished. What happened? Third parties double-crossed Nintendo and didn't release much of anything, leaving people wondering where Nintendo's core franchises were and complaining about the poor ports or remakes of last-gen games.
Nintendo should've done their own thing and let the third parties come to them, as they've done in the past (especially the GBA and DS). They should've had Mario Kart and Smash ready last year, and focused on more franchises than just Mario.
That said, the Wii U is still an interesting console that I'd certainly own if I had more money. I'm hoping to have one this holiday season, since MK and Smash will be out. This E3 is likely to have new Zelda info, too.
The vocal Nintendo Hate Train should go back to what they like instead of bitching about what they don't like. Especially since the kind of people that bitch about Nintendo won't buy their products in the first place.
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>Flamebait thread of the week
To be able to market the wii u
It needs something marketable
Like gaems?
Holy shit you do realize that this is never true? You're generalizing your own fucking market and you don't even know how it is.
The western market is diverse. It enjoys FPS games and WRPGs but it'll buy into a ton of different genres. There's also ton of niche genres that still find a footing here. Like Catherine, a thoroughly Japanese game, sold 500K copies. Which isn't the millions of CoD or GTA but is still quite enough sales to show that similar titles have a footing.
Just this whole "western gaming is just FPS" assumption is such bullshit, please stop using it and take your head out from under a fucking rock for once in a blue moon.
No it's not.
Turn-based RPG, Action RPGs, and strategy RPGs are sub-genres. jRPG and wRPG are regional terms.
So do many games within a genre from the same country. I don't really understand what you're trying to do here.
If this was the case we're going to need lots of names to distinguish a lot of games from each other.
Comparing Duke Nukem 3D to Turok what will you call these games respectively?
jRPGs and wRPGs play differently because jRPGs tend to stay in the turn-based genre and wRPG tend to stay in the Action RPG genre. Both are already established genres and either wRPG and jRPG developers can make a game of either genre.
And why do people all of a sudden bringing art style into the discussion. Why is art style so special in the RPG genre? Why is it that in any other genre the type of art style a game uses doesn't give it a title from what region the game came from? The same thing can be said for story.
By this logic should Wind Waker have it's own special title despite playing and looking differently than God of War?
And I can keep listing game within the same genre where story, art style, and gameplay are different from other games.
For example people do not use wShooters when talking about First-Person Shooters and jShooters when talking Shoot-em ups
Saw this video a long time ago, disagree with it.
If I remember correctly the guy said that Wizardry came in too late or something to Japan for it to be influential or something along those lines which is completely false. Wizardry is one of the influential games in Japan when it comes to the RPG genre.
I really do not want to watch the whole series again.
I guess we'll have to agree to disagree. JRPG's and "WRPG's" (which is an artificial term that popped up rather recently to signify that the game is not a Japanese-style RPG and follows western standards of cRPG) are different from one another sufficiently enough to treat them as separate sub-genres within the bigger RPG genre. The differences range from the style of the game to the actual methods of storytelling and that's just fact. For the same reason we have "comics" and "manga" or "cartoons" and "anime".
It isn't the name of the console that makes it hard to sell.
If that was true then what would be of Xbox One?
3DS started to sell when games started appearing for it,
and it didn't took years, by half year it already started selling well.
Right now, WiiU has no games that appeal to non-Nintendo fans.
WiiU lacks a system seller, a game that could bring hardcore gamers over it,
something Nintendo has failed to do since N64 era.
Have any of the game companies been universally greeted with praise and adulation? MS, Sony, EA, Ubisoft, Square Enix..... all get pounded upon all the time.
and yet they will buy the PS4bone, despite it also not exactly having a great library, at rates Nintendo and co would kill for?
I recall many third parties saying Nintendo's hardware, rates for the return, infrastructure and controllers were not great, I do not recall them saying they were outshone.
It is not the 1990's any more, one has to court third party devs and one has to do it hard or flop on your face.
Either way though thanks for the giggle.
Two things contributed to the 3DS's sales boom - the massive price drop which made it affordable in comparison to other mobile gaming solutions and an onslaught of new games. The system's been riding that wave of success ever since and even though you can easily get PSVita deals that are just as good as the 3DS deals, the 3DS reached the level of popularity where it doesn't have to try anymore - it just has the market by the balls.
It doesn't take a degree to think of ways how to improve the Wii U situation at this point. It's not going to beat the PS4 or the Xbox One, it's a no-contest. The Wii U has to build its own niche and it has to build it soon because it's been on the market for 2 years now, in another 2 the hardware will become irrelevant and too poor for developers to care and in 4-5 it's going to be completely irrelevant as at that point people will start expecting a Nintendo next gen to come out soon.
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