Hacking Would you ever trust Brickway again, or is their rep ruined for good?

[Foxi4]

I'm pretty sure DF's bricker did not corrupt the DS profile but instead overwrited all unprotected layers of the firmware.
I won't reply to such peer pressure Neo Draven. You see, that kind of hardware is not allowed anymore in my country. Only a fool would fall for what you ask.

The unprotected parts being the ones you can write to - the DS Profile, at least to my knowledge. The rest required shorting the SL-1 jumper.

 

[xBleedingSoulx]

And all is forgiven.

 

[Rinth]

We don't have much choice at the moment. Certainly, at the moment people have lost a lot of trust in Gateway, and if there is an actual competitor around the corner people would most likely jump ship.

However, all of Gateways competitors are fairly incompetent at the moment. R4/3DSLink/Orange (same people) are only capable of cloning, and haven't shown any evidence of own work, and so the features of GW v1.2 became their limits. MT-Card showed some work, but overall the card is severely lacking in features in comparison, especially since Multirom is coming out on GW soon. While there are reports of MT-Card's innate instability, MT-Card was based upon GW 1.2 and didn't attempt to copy newer GW firmware. MT has potential to grow into a competitor, but at the moment its pricing is not competitive, and there has been very little news and updates from the team.

Gateway gets away with all these because there isn't a single true competitor. In the end, the clones didn't help the consumers. If the clones were never there in the first place and only competitors with discrete code existed, then GW would have no need to implement a brick code in the first place.

 

[VMM]

If the clones were never there in the first place and only competitors with discrete code existed, then GW would have no need to implement a brick code in the first place.

Are you really trying to justify GW bricking code?
They never really needed to do something like that, they did because they know R4i can copy eveerything they do, and tried playing dirty to have their product accepted by fear of having your 3DS bricked with other options. My opinion is, this is not just plain wrong, but also affect their credibility, I've seen some reports of only-gateway users with bricked consoles,
and I wouldn't trust a company that creates a 3DS bricker.

By the way, I've seen some people posting that this bricking is accidental, and that Gateway goal never really was this but I can't believe it.
Gateway alerted users a number of times for not using clones because they could be dangerous to your 3DS.
They are the ones that created the code, I don't think that this could be an accident, the result of a bug or anything similar.
If the code was really accidental, the logical step would be for them to apologize and remove the code in an update released right away, and they did the exact opposite.

 

[Rinth]

Are you really trying to justify GW bricking code?
They never really needed to do something like that, they did because they know R4i can copy eveerything they do, and tried playing dirty to have their product accepted by fear of having your 3DS bricked with other options. My opinion is, this is not just plain wrong, but also affect their credibility, I've seen some reports of only-gateway users with bricked consoles,
and I wouldn't trust a company that creates a 3DS bricker.

By the way, I've seen some people posting that this bricking is accidental, and that Gateway goal never really was this but I can't believe it.
Gateway alerted users a number of times for not using clones because they could be dangerous to your 3DS.
They are the ones that created the code, I don't think that this could be an accident, the result of a bug or anything similar.
If the code was really accidental, the logical step would be for them to apologize and remove the code in an update released right away, and they did the exact opposite.

That was not a justification. It was a factual analysis. Nothing you said changes the fact that: "If the clones were never there in the first place and only competitors with discrete code existed, then GW would have no need to implement a brick code in the first place."

 

[VMM]

That was not a justification. It was a factual analysis. Nothing you said changes the fact that: "If the clones were never there in the first place and only competitors with discrete code existed, then GW would have no need to implement a brick code in the first place."

You didn't get what I said, my point is that they didn't need to implement the code, it wasn't really necessary

 

[Lunai]

You didn't get what I said, my point is that they didn't need to implement the code, it wasn't really necessary

So if you were GW, you'd just let the clones do their thing and steal your customers slowly until you died out?
I mean yeah it was a cheap move and I hate what they did, but if they're gunna copy EVERYTHING you do, then maybe you'd get a lil extreme.

 

[spinner09]

So if you were GW, you'd just let the clones do their thing and steal your customers slowly until you died out?
I mean yeah it was a cheap move and I hate what they did, but if they're gunna copy EVERYTHING you do, then maybe you'd get a lil extreme.

If GW continued to make quality hardware and software, then there was no risk of them losing customers until they died out. Everyone on these forums already prefers Gateway over clones, and they have a lot of customer goodwill (until this whole bricking fiasco), so all they needed to do was sit on their thumbs and smirk at the clones. But instead, they took their vendetta a step too far, and started damaging innocent peoples consoles just to take revenge on the cloners. It's despicable behavior, and they've lost their reputation because of it.

 

[Lunai]

Agreed.
They could have seen that the clones would be bound to fail after a certain amount of time, since none of them ever thought of updateable FPGA's or real bugfixing.
But as expected, they'd get a little smarter and maybe pull off a trick or two (MT-card actually had work done to it) and it might unnerve them.
It's not like they make millions off of this, and even if they were in it for the money, they could have gone with something a little more temporary and profitable.
Like bricking the launcher.dat until a real GW red is inserted to unlock it, forcing people to buy a GW.
Sure it's another dick move to make people spend more money, but its better than destroying a somewhat-rare 4.5 3DS.

 

[Rinth]

Agreed.
They could have seen that the clones would be bound to fail after a certain amount of time, since none of them ever thought of updateable FPGA's or real bugfixing.
But as expected, they'd get a little smarter and maybe pull off a trick or two (MT-card actually had work done to it) and it might unnerve them.
It's not like they make millions off of this, and even if they were in it for the money, they could have gone with something a little more temporary and profitable.
Like bricking the launcher.dat until a real GW red is inserted to unlock it.

I get the feeling that they might not have had much choice in the matter. Bricking 3DS is the most drastic method possible, and it doesn't really benefit GW much since they can't sell GW to broken 3DSs. I guess they really wanted to only brick clone cards, but the option was not available.

Of course, we're all discussing this based on the assumption that a brick code does exist. It's easy to forget that it has NEVER been confirmed that there is a brick code, but it seems after a week everyone started to accept it as an undeniable fact after enough threads.

 

[Lunai]

Well this bricking code fiasco started mainly when someone quoted Neimod (I think) saying there was one in there.
Honestly, I think this bricking thing is not intentional.
There's not enough reports from both GW and clones, so it doesn't look like it's targeting anything at all.
It could just be a bug with Emunand corrupting Sysnand in someplace, since we all know that the wifi settings carry over to sysnand.
Maybe something else could be passing along that sysnand can't handle.

 

[mznova]

I don't think Gateway is losing reputation with the bricking code. Most of the people who are whining here have already committed to a card or will not get one in the near future. Reputation is only for new customers. The way I see it, the new customer has three choices:
1) You want a 100% safe product in which case you can get any card and use the older firmware with no brick code
2) You want NEW features, in which case you invest in a Gateway and take a very small chance for a brick
3) You want NEW features but you're cheap, so you invest in a clone, where the programmers don't know what they're doing and your chances of bricking are high with every update

If you say Gateway is losing reputation, compare it to the alternative.

 

[VMM]

So if you were GW, you'd just let the clones do their thing and steal your customers slowly until you died out?
I mean yeah it was a cheap move and I hate what they did, but if they're gunna copy EVERYTHING you do, then maybe you'd get a lil extreme.

Gateway would never die out, they would always have customers as been the very first 3DS flashcard and the reference in what 3DS flashcard scene.
I would try creating an update that would be hard to break trough, some kind of Anti Piracy measure in some sort of way.,
if they could hid a bricking code like that, they could recognize the hardware of clones, so they could simply put a code to make the firmware to not work on clones

 

[mr. fancypants]

thread Nr. 50 great you win a price for making the 50th worthless thread

 

[lizblitz]

Every company does marketing to sell more products or services. Marketing is about creating more needs than there would be really exist than without marketing. By being too greedy Gateway created that malicious code to discredit the clones, but they discredited also themselfs because what can one think about a company that is taking risks for harming consumers only to get more money? Their message was: support the innovators, not the imitators! So it was about trust in a consummers choice. Now they can change it to: We don't need to trust you as a consumer because we are able to dominate you by fear (and afterwards they try to prove everyone how good they are able to help those they have harmed before...)
Gateways product is still the best one, but their marketing is a perfect fail! Instead of creating needs they created a lot of fear or at least suspiciousness.
Any team with a new hack (not another clone) would get all prestige because the company with the best product on the market so far ruined its goodwill itself.

 

[JonnyMohawk]

What a great poll, the questions are not biased in anyway,

Because if someone trusts them, it must be "no matter what they do".


Not to mention calling them 'brickway'...


Call up Frank Luntz OP, he certainly has a job for you.

 

[DestinyFeather]

thread Nr. 50 great you win a price for making the 50th worthless thread

There is only one useful thread in this entire subforum and it's the one attempting to find a solution for the brick. Up to 99% of the posts are either angry fanboy wars waged by individiuals who were probably paid by the companies in question to advertise their products. And nobody even knows if the bricks are real anymore because everyone is working so hard to persuade people to one of the two camps. If anybody really cared about the people who were affected by bricks at all, nobody would be yelling about how one company is more pro than the other.

I have seen a total of one persuasive post on the entire internet that isn't dressed up in the typical fanboy garbage. It is this post: http://www.maxconsole.com/maxcon_fo...future-of-bricking-code?p=1670874#post1670874

Notice how the user doesn't load a crap load of shock tactics in, and instead gently compares it to events which have happened in the past, on some level comparable to the mess you have now

And it's a nice choice of manufacturer you people have. Seeing as the R4 people are suffering from a terminal inability to read and produce anything original whatsoever, whilst your 'savior' Gateway is so smart that it decided to help Nintendo crackdown on piracy by bricking consoles used for piracy, thus reducing the number of consoles able to pirate and use their software, and making everyone too afraid to actually buy their product!

I'm waiting for an emulator, this is just so funny... Even if an emulator doesn't come out, there's no loss.

You buy a console to pirate with and a flashcart because you are too cheap to afford the actual carts. But unfortunately, you end up with a bricked console which doesn't actually work, thus gaining nothing. Ultimately, this entire situation is just quite entertaining. And what does Gateway gain? Isn't it rather stupid to expect people will actually want to buy and use your product and/or the products of your competitors after you have just cost them an entire console and a flashcart's worth of money?

So much dumb on literally every side... Alas. It's probably just for the better if you guys just stay on a firmware that doesn't bsod.

 

[Huntereb]

And it's a nice choice of manufacturer you people have. Seeing as the R4 people are suffering from a terminal inability to read and produce anything original whatsoever, whilst your 'savior' Gateway is so smart that it decided to help Nintendo crackdown on piracy by bricking consoles used for piracy, thus reducing the number of consoles able to pirate and use their software, and making everyone too afraid to actually buy their product!

So true...

 

[Seqa]

I just bought GW cards the other day (Sunday) and I still haven't used them because of all this mess. Never owned a clone card, so this is my first experience with flash cards. I heard such good things about GW before buying the card and it was because of the good reputation that I went with GW and not R4i which I had heard of from my friend.

Now I don't know. I haven't given up GW and I hope they will fix this in their next update.

Is it safe to use firmware 1.2? I can't find it on GW's website. Could anyone point me in the right direction?

 

[tropireno]

Well I don't necessarily trust them, but I'm still going to use their product. Because it works.