[Rumour] PS4 Assembly Line Reportedly Sabotaged by Foxconn Interns

[rcazador]

Mmm-yeah, no. Sony has no control whatsoever over what happens over at Foxconn, much like you don't have any control whatsoever whenever you order something made to order.

When you walk into a restaurant, order a soup, and the cook just happens to be in a foul mood, there's nothing you can do to stop him from spitting into your bowl, even though you're paying the same price as any other customer.

Don't bring in raving fanboyism into the discussion.

Look at the pot calling the kettle black. You ate the fanboy here. If the chef is annoyed he spits in everything he makes. At the time these ps4s were made they made millions of iPhone and iPads and other devices. But the chef only chose to Spit on Sony. I can only imagine Sony pushed the chef too far.
Sure they have control none of Foxconn's other contractors suffer such poor quality.
Or maybe Sony ****ed the design of it. But again that would be impossible for a fanboy to imagine.

 

[ShadowSoldier]

Look at the pot calling the kettle black. You ate the fanboy here. If the chef is annoyed he spits in everything he makes. At the time these ps4s were made they made millions of iPhone and iPads and other devices. But the chef only chose to Spit on Sony. I can only imagine Sony pushed the chef too far.
Sure they have control none of Foxconn's other contractors suffer such poor quality.
Or maybe Sony ****ed the design of it. But again that would be impossible for a fanboy to imagine.

You know, when someone throws the word fanboy around, it makes them look less serious, and usually then end up being the "fanboy" themselves.

 

[rcazador]

It's funny how these fanboys rant but cannot actually explain what went wrong.
Can they cite another example or popular device with so many failures on Day One?
The only possible explanations are that Sony messed up the design or Foxconn messed up the assembly.
Face the facts people.

When Microsoft messed up with the RROD they admitted it and gave a 3 year free replacement guarantee. Sony should man up and reveal the real problem. That's all I'm saying.

 

[Foxi4]

Look at the pot calling the kettle black. You ate the fanboy here. If the chef is annoyed he spits in everything he makes. At the time these ps4s were made they made millions of iPhone and iPads and other devices. But the chef only chose to Spit on Sony. I can only imagine Sony pushed the chef too far.
Sure they have control none of Foxconn's other contractors suffer such poor quality.
Or maybe Sony ****ed the design of it. But again that would be impossible for a fanboy to imagine.

It's like you haven't read the article. The intern says it clearly, but I'll guide you through it. I quote:

"Since Foxconn (Meaning "Not Sony") are not treating us well, we will not treat the PS4 console well. The PS4 console we assemble can be turned on at best (Meaning "The design is fine, we're just purposely assembling it in a poor way")."

I inserted the bolded parts in order to "translate English into English".

Can they cite another example or popular device with so many failures on Day One?

...you mean 0.4%?

Like... every electronic device in history?

When Microsoft messed up with the RROD they admitted it and gave a 3 year free replacement guarantee. Sony should man up and reveal the real problem. That's all I'm saying.

But... they have...

It's funny how these fanboys rant but cannot actually explain what went wrong.

What do you mean by "explain"? The explaination is written in the OP, the source and a number of posts.

The only possible explanations are that Sony messed up the design or Foxconn messed up the assembly.

According to the rumour discussed, it's the latter.

Face the facts people.

We have.

When Microsoft messed up with the RROD they admitted it and gave a 3 year free replacement guarantee.

It's been what, 5 days? Investigating a problem thoroughly takes a bit longer than that.

 

[ShadowSoldier]

It's funny how these fanboys rant but cannot actually explain what went wrong.
Can they cite another example or popular device with so many failures on Day One?
The only possible explanations are that Sony messed up the design or Foxconn messed up the assembly.
Face the facts people.

When Microsoft messed up with the RROD they admitted it and gave a 3 year free replacement guarantee. Sony should man up and reveal the real problem. That's all I'm saying.

You seem to know more about this than anyone, so what's the problem? Do you know? Do you have facts or anything other than "SONY IS WORSE THAN THE MAFIA" to base your post on?

So many day one failures? You do realize that these problems are affecting a small percentage of owners, right? You say "so many failures", but yet you don't really know the number. Which brings us to what me and Foxi discussed. If someone is happy with their product and it's working, they don't tend to speak up about it. Only the people that are affected by it speak up. If the people who are happy spoke up, there would be a lot less articles. And not to mention, one person's complaint gets posted on a bunch of websites, and all of a sudden it looks like 15 people even though it's just one person.

As for citing day one problems? Well you just said it yourself, the Xbox 360. Was Microsoft treating workers bad back then too? What about all the problems the PS3 had? Sony treating people bad? And all the scratches the 3DS was getting, Nintendo treating workers bad?

Maybe you should actually look up facts. Microsoft, Sony and Nintendo have both stepped up their game when it comes to Foxconn, even Apple has. All of them have demanded better working conditions. That's all they can do. They can't control another company. Yeah they could take their business elsewhere, but the fact of the matter is that it will cost more, thus making the consumer pay more, and in turn those companies not making much money because they're so expensive.

 

[zachtheninja]

This happens whenever a country begins its industrial development (England and the US are certainly no strangers to it), and unfortunately there's no quick solution. Change and reform takes a long, long while to get off the ground.

I agree with this. As unfortunate as it is, things have to get worse before people are bothered enough to push for better conditions. (And I don't mean protest nicely.)
The problems come when a country, (namely America) looks at the conditions in a third world country and says "Oh, how horrible! Think of the children! We must give the staving people X item so they can be better off." when in reality, the only way for those people to be better off is for them to take a stand on their own. A true revolution must always come from the hearts and minds of those afflicted, else the problems and corruption will return when the "helpers" leave. The Chinese are living in horrible times, it's true. But, in order for their conditions to change, they have to change their leaders, and that will be a difficult thing for them to do.

(Edit: Sorry, a little off topic, I just needed to say that before I logged off for the night.)

 

[rcazador]

It's like you haven't read the article. The intern says it clearly, but I'll guide you through it. I quote:

I inserted the bolded parts in order to "translate English into English".

...you mean 0.4%?

Like... every electronic device in history?

But... they have...

What do you mean by "explain"? The explaination is written in plain English.

According to the rumour discussed, it's the latter.

We have.

It's been what, 5 days? Investigating a problem thoroughly takes a bit longer than that.

About the intern you still haven't answered why they singled out Sony for their revenge. If they wanted attention and improved conditions they should have hit Foxconn's crown jewel, the iPhone. But they didn't. Each foxconn facility focuses on a different type of product so I assume that the one dealing with the Sony PS4. First justify why they picked Sony and not apple who once an even greater oppressor.

Don't try that 0.4% is nothing crap. In 1986 Motorola introduced Six Sigma, it's a Global industry standard for manufacturing. It allows 2 defects in 1 million units. Every major company strives towards this goal. Of course Sony doesn't have to care it's fanboys will defend any thing it throws out.
In the meantime give me two concrete examples of such a disastrous Opening day. Don't make general statements, give actual proof.

Wow so I can preorder and pay $399 to get a blue light. Then 5 days later Sony will expect me to fix their crap. Whatever happened to consumer rights? They needed up, they should fix it. And they should compensate me for the 5 day delay.


You think you're so smart saying it only took 5 days. WOW so I can shell out $400 and get a completely untested product. Apparently Sony has never heard of quality assurance or checking. Fortunately it's fanboys haven't either. They designed it, they had reviewers complain of the same problem days before the release. And it STILL took them 5 Days. Pure Genius Sony, Pure Genius.

 

[Foxi4]

I'm not even going to bother any further, the average DOA rate in the electronics sector is around 2% - the more sold units Day 1 the bigger the tempest in a teacup.

 

[rcazador]

You seem to know more about this than anyone, so what's the problem? Do you know? Do you have facts or anything other than "SONY IS WORSE THAN THE MAFIA" to base your post on?

So many day one failures? You do realize that these problems are affecting a small percentage of owners, right? You say "so many failures", but yet you don't really know the number. Which brings us to what me and Foxi discussed. If someone is happy with their product and it's working, they don't tend to speak up about it. Only the people that are affected by it speak up. If the people who are happy spoke up, there would be a lot less articles. And not to mention, one person's complaint gets posted on a bunch of websites, and all of a sudden it looks like 15 people even though it's just one person.

As for citing day one problems? Well you just said it yourself, the Xbox 360. Was Microsoft treating workers bad back then too? What about all the problems the PS3 had? Sony treating people bad? And all the scratches the 3DS was getting, Nintendo treating workers bad?

Maybe you should actually look up facts. Microsoft, Sony and Nintendo have both stepped up their game when it comes to Foxconn, even Apple has. All of them have demanded better working conditions. That's all they can do. They can't control another company. Yeah they could take their business elsewhere, but the fact of the matter is that it will cost more, thus making the consumer pay more, and in turn those companies not making much money because they're so expensive.

First off stop with the "few defects are usual" argument. This didn't happen with the PS3 nor with the X360. This is quite unique.

As for the Xbox error Microsoft admitted to a design fault and offered replacements. Sony should also offer replacements instead of some DIY fix(posted by Foxi4).
Is Sony the worst, I don't know. But they must have done something wrong to trigger this. Ask these years foxconn people were oppressed and at worst they chose suicide. Now they've gone a step further this usually happens for a reason. That they have chosen to target Sony implies some error on Sony's part.
These workers are not Microsoft fanboys with some silly grudge against Sony. If they acted, it was for a reason.

I'm not even going to bother any further, the average DOA rate in the electronics sector is around 2% - the more sold units Day 1 the bigger the tempest in a teacup.

You don't bother cause you don't have any facts. If 2% was normal, why is on every major news site. I'm not talking about xbox sites. Sites that enjoy bashing three xbox and Microsoft are also covering this. And I have yet to hear from you another 2 examples of similarly botched launches. With these so called normal 2% defect rates.

 

[ShadowSoldier]

First off stop with the "few defects are usual" argument. This didn't happen with the PS3 nor with the X360.

what, launch hardware problems? yes they did. It only just so happens that this time supposedly (because there's no proof) that somebody is being a dick.

As for the Xbox error Microsoft admitted to a design fault and offered replacements. Sony should also offer replacements instead of some DIY fix(posted by Foxi4).
Is Sony the worst, I don't know. But they must have done something wrong to trigger this. Ask these years foxconn people were oppressed and at worst they chose suicide. Now they've gone a step further this usually happens for a reason. That they have chosen to target Sony implies some error on Sony's part.
These workers are not Microsoft fanboys with some silly grudge against Sony. If they acted, it was for a reason.

Sony is offering replacements. Are you that stupid? The DIY fix is for people who don't want to wait sending it in to Sony. And no, they didn't do anything to Foxconn. They just give them the parts and pay the company. Just like Apple, Microsoft, Nintendo, Samsung and every other company.

Yeah Foxconn workers are depressed and pissed off. But guess what, that's Foxconn's problem, not Sony's. As I stated, a bunch of big name companies already told Foxconn to step their game up, which they did, giving them more pay, but they're still working hard. If you think Foxconn should change? Then go start a shitty petition on the laughable change.org and complain to Foxconn and the Chinese government.

And no, they're not Microsoft Fanboys, but guess what, you're sounding like one.

You don't bother cause you don't have any facts. If 2% was normal, why is on every major news site. I'm not talking about xbox sites. Sites that enjoy bashing three xbox and Microsoft are also covering this. And I have yet to hear from you another 2 examples of similarly botched launches. With these so called normal 2% defect rates.

Like I said. One person posts an article about it, and it spreads, making one person's complaint sound like 15 complaints. It's what media outlets do. They find news articles, and they spread the word. And sites like Kotaku fabricate facts and blow it out proportion just so they can get hits.

 

[Gahars]

First off stop with the "few defects are usual" argument. This didn't happen with the PS3 nor with the X360. This is quite unique.

ITT revisionist history

 

[rcazador]

what, launch hardware problems? yes they did. It only just so happens that this time supposedly (because there's no proof) that somebody is being a dick.



Sony is offering replacements. Are you that stupid? The DIY fix is for people who don't want to wait sending it in to Sony. And no, they didn't do anything to Foxconn. They just give them the parts and pay the company. Just like Apple, Microsoft, Nintendo, Samsung and every other company.

Yeah Foxconn workers are depressed and pissed off. But guess what, that's Foxconn's problem, not Sony's. As I stated, a bunch of big name companies already told Foxconn to step their game up, which they did, giving them more pay, but they're still working hard. If you think Foxconn should change? Then go start a shitty petition on the laughable change.org and complain to Foxconn and the Chinese government.

And no, they're not Microsoft Fanboys, but guess what, you're sounding like one.




Like I said. One person posts an article about it, and it spreads, making one person's complaint sound like 15 complaints. It's what media outlets do. They find news articles, and they spread the word. And sites like Kotaku fabricate facts and blow it out proportion just so they can get hits.

For the record the ps2 was my first console and I still enjoy playing Prince of Persia Sands of Time (i know it's old, but it's epic) on it. That said we clearly cannot agree. So let's drop this argument. What I can't get my head around is if all the companies were equally bad, why did the foxconn workers choose Sony? Never mind that though, must have been random.

 

[Ergo]

That's hella unlucky, I wonder what went wrong with the firmware update...

This seems to be a pretty common problem among the busted PS4s, but the speculation I've read is that the HDDs are faulty and/or they're being killed by excessive heat and the fw itself isn't really the culprit, at least directly...but who the hell knows? Sony isn't saying

When Microsoft messed up with the RROD they admitted it and gave a 3 year free replacement guarantee. Sony should man up and reveal the real problem. That's all I'm saying.

No, actually, they denied it at first, then denied the scope when it became obvious it was happening, then it finally became too much to ignore/deny and resulted in the billion-dollar write-off in order to ward off class actions (all of these steps took a minimum of 6-months to go through, if not longer)--please don't try rewrite very recent history, thanks.

(The only saving grace w/ MS--such as it is--is that they weren't dropping dead on day one, so there's that, uh, feather in their cap.)

 

[Foxi4]

You don't bother cause you don't have any facts. If 2% was normal, why is on every major news site. I'm not talking about xbox sites. Sites that enjoy bashing three xbox and Microsoft are also covering this. And I have yet to hear from you another 2 examples of similarly botched launches. With these so called normal 2% defect rates.

Ehh... I really am better than this, I shouldn't reply... but alright:
- PS2 "Disc Read Error" plague
- Atari Jaguar CD in general
- XBox Suicidal PSU to the point of being a fire hazard, 14 million power cords recalled
- XBox overheating, mostly affected the first revision of the system
- "No Reception" iPhone 4 controversy, also known as "You're holding the phone wrong"
- XBox 360 RROD
- PS3 YLOD
- Wii's Blue Slot of Death GPU meltdown, lesser known than the two above
- 3DS's Sucidal Screen Bumpers
- Exploding DELL laptop batteries
- XBox 360 disc drive carving into discs
- DS Lite and its suicidal hinge

Just a couple of defects that became world-famous very quickly and close to launch. There you go. Satisfied?

 

[ShadowSoldier]

Ehh... I really am better than this... but alright:
- PS2 "Disc Read Error" plague
- Atari Jaguar CD in general
- XBox Suicidal PSU to the point of being a fire hazard, 14 million power cords recalled
- "No Reception" iPhone 4 controversy, also known as "You're holding the phone wrong"
- XBox 360 RROD
- PS3 YLOD
- Wii's Blue Slot of Death GPU meltdown, lesser knon than the two above
- 3DS's Sucidal Screen Bumpers
- Exploding DELL laptop batteries
- XBox 360 disc drive carving into discs
- DS Lite and its suicidal hinge

Just a couple of defects tht became world-famous very quickly and close to launch. There you go. Satisfied?

Oddly enough, I don't recall there being any problems with the Super Nintendo/Genesis/N64/PS1. Was there any? I mean, back then there was no such thing as the internet so it was probably a lot harder to spread information...

 

[GameWinner]

Oddly enough, I don't recall there being any problems with the Super Nintendo/Genesis/N64/PS1. Was there any? I mean, back then there was no such thing as the internet so it was probably a lot harder to spread information...

The PS1 had some disc read errors to the point where some people had to flip the PS1 upside down to get it to read. Just heard of the issue like 2 weeks ago and I'm still shocked people did that.

 

[Foxi4]

Oddly enough, I don't recall there being any problems with the Super Nintendo/Genesis/N64/PS1. Was there any? I mean, back then there was no such thing as the internet so it was probably a lot harder to spread information...

The NES's 72-pin connectors like to get bent, Master System's D-Pads literally fall out of the controller, Atari 5200's joysticks are suicidal, finding a working 32X is considered a mirracle (much like in the case of the Jaguar CD) etc. but due to the lack of widely available internet at the time, it's hard to find relevant information about launch issues - I'd have to do some investigating to say for sure. Those systems were less complex and with larger components, they weren't nearly as packed as contemporary ones nor did they produce nearly as much heat so they're considered sturdier.

EDIT: The disc issues on the PS1 were caused by burnt out laser assembly tracks - it's a matter of wer and tear, not a factory defect asfar as I know.

Speaking of factory defects, my first GBA had a screen so dim that it was barely playable, so I returned it and got a new one On both, the battery cover flap snapped after a couple battery swaps, but I'm not sure if those were widely-spread defects. Yes, I had a GBA almost at launch, Foxi4Nintendo.

 

[GameWinner]

http://www.gameinformer.com/b/news/...efective-playstation-4-units-immediately.aspx
Has this been posted yet?
I think it's thread worthy if not.

 

[rcazador]

Ehh... I really am better than this, I shouldn't reply... but alright:
- PS2 "Disc Read Error" plague
- Atari Jaguar CD in general
- XBox Suicidal PSU to the point of being a fire hazard, 14 million power cords recalled
- XBox overheating, mostly affected the first revision of the system
- "No Reception" iPhone 4 controversy, also known as "You're holding the phone wrong"
- XBox 360 RROD
- PS3 YLOD
- Wii's Blue Slot of Death GPU meltdown, lesser known than the two above
- 3DS's Sucidal Screen Bumpers
- Exploding DELL laptop batteries
- XBox 360 disc drive carving into discs
- DS Lite and its suicidal hinge

Just a couple of defects that became world-famous very quickly and close to launch. There you go. Satisfied?

This is the proof I was looking for. Though I'm not sure of the details of all of these events some I do know and I concede that you are correct.

 

[Foxi4]

http://www.gameinformer.com/b/news/...efective-playstation-4-units-immediately.aspx
Has this been posted yet?
I think it's thread worthy if not.

Replacing damaged units no questions asked? Ban this sick communist filth. Sony officially worse than Kim Jong Un.