Hacking Gateway v2.0 Part 2: NAND Emulation

[kyogre123]

While this is an amazing feature, I don't think it will work past 6.3...

All Nintendo has to do is to bring the Wii U firmware update method to the 3DS: Force a power cycle before starting the update.

Since it's Nintendo and considering how slow they are gateway users might still be safe for 1-2 firmware update.

If they do that, then the NAND read/write hardware mod will come in handy.

 

[inuyasha555]

Gateway don't work on firmware 5+. So, why it works on 5+ with emu-nand?

Because they're patching/modifying a NAND to undo the Gateway patch past 4.5. You still need 4.5 to actually load the emulated NAND.

 

[AgentChet]

The video stops and starts so many times it can easily be faked. Not that Gateway is fake but that video is.

Allow me to direct your attention to this short, but wise clip of useful details about your statement.
http://goo.gl/ZXCwb8

 

[the_randomizer]

Gateway don't work on firmware 5+. So, why it works on 5+ with emu-nand?

Hard to say, the team said they would be trying to get it to work with 6.3 or below, but at this point in time, it's assumed to not work with >4.5

Unless someone can actually provide the very quote that specifically stated they aren't going to work on it....

 

[niño de cobre]

So... I take it that using nand emulation, online works?

emunand is for use eshop and original retail games, so yes, with original games.
or the emunand is patched to run roms too? now im little confused.

im just assuming, we need to wait for official info.

 

[Gonzo]

By "eShop backups," would this mean a legitimately purchased full 3DS game from the eShop (e.g. Pokémon X/Y)? If so, then I don't think I understand how encryption would affect the emuNAND's ability to run that game, if the emuNAND is basically made to be the "console" that purchased that game, so it should theoretically run without issues.

Maybe there's something I'm missing, but I was under the impression of is that the emuNAND is a 3DS inside of your 3DS (so to speak), and if you wanna update your emuNAND to 6.3, then it should be possible to buy full games from the eShop and play them, as long as your emuNAND remains intact.

There ins another important point! Let's say you currently run an emuNAND with 6.3 and bought a game from the eShop. It will be downloaded to the sd-card and the ticket is stored in emuNAND. So back in the physical NAND with 4.5 the OS checks if every ticket from the sd-card also beeing available in the NAND. Directories with unknown Tickets will bei removed!

Hopefully GW is aware of that problem! A possible solution could be to double the sd-card content and let both NAND and emuNAND exclusive access to its own section...

 

[Devin]

There ins another important point! Let's say you currently run an emuNAND with 6.3 and bought a game from the eShop. It will be downloaded to the sd-card and the ticket is stored in emuNAND. So back in the physical NAND with 4.5 the OS checks if every ticket from the sd-card also beeing available in the NAND. Directories with unknown Tickets will bei removed!

Hopefully GW is aware of that problem! A possible solution could be to double the sd-card content and let both NAND and emuNAND exclusive access to its own section...

Hm? I share a SD card between my original 3DS, and XL. None of my content gets erased when I swap between the two or am I misunderstanding what you're saying?

 

[IronClouds]

Hm? I share a SD card between my original 3DS, and XL. None of my content gets erased when I swap between the two or am I misunderstanding what you're saying?

Off topic, but every time I see your signature, I instinctively try to swat my monitor.

 

[mr. fancypants]

can we not reverse the emunanding with an unsigned code (the 3ds runs already codes right? the UI from gateway) and in that way u can downgrade the 3ds (probably isnt it going to work becuase of the lack of an exploit in 5.xx and 6.xx) but maybe...

 

[CalebW]

Hm? I share a SD card between my original 3DS, and XL. None of my content gets erased when I swap between the two or am I misunderstanding what you're saying?

Each 3ds has it's own folder under the "Nintendo 3DS" folder that is named with a 16-bit name unique to that particular system. For instance my 3DS file is named "88f4974681793ba550087816c7eb10df"

 

[mkdms14]

Well unless they find a way to include users on newer firmware. This is going to alienate alot of users including myself. Hope they can find a way to bring this to everyone else.

 

[Mulder_RLZ]

I'm curious to see what the heck they are saying about "use SD format tool". My SD card currently has MK7 on it, and I really don't wanna use a new one for GW 2.0. I have GW save games in there, but I think for those ones I can copy them over.

 

[Rizzorules]

I think the update is coming the last week of october with compatibility for pokemon x because if they can emulate 6.3 with patches they only need to modify somethings of the nand to make it work.

They should make a gateway 3ds catridge restore to install games from the sd of the console to the sd of the red card without computer.

 

[DannyDeLonge]

So, I'm here to making some Things a little bit clearer....

(Sorry If there are any Grammar-Mistakes or such, cause I'm not a native Speaker )

First of all please stop complaining about the missing 5.x-6.x compatibility... If there will be a Solution somewhere in the Future that would be great for a lot of us, otherwise you could easily trade in your updated 3DS for a 4.5 one.

It just works with 4.5 FW at the Moment because the applied Patches/Applications still needing the Kernel-Exploit and after they where loaded, the Nand from the SD-Card will be activated through the Gateway-Menu.

That means => Loading Backups, patched Region-Lock and so on are still active in the Background and the new Nand ist just applied afterwards...


And after they already announced that the SD-Card can normally used even when the Custom-Nand is stored there, you probably would be able to use the E-Shop like a normal user on the newest FW.

Thats just my 0.02$

 

[Gonzo]

Hm? I share a SD card between my original 3DS, and XL. None of my content gets erased when I swap between the two or am I misunderstanding what you're saying?

I had in mind that someone told it in an other thread, but by now I just found a comment by n1ghty

http://gbatemp.net/threads/nand-flash-dump-3ds-xl.350668/page-12#post-4758631

where he stated that missing tickets are just not shown.

So if they are not deleted, then everything is fine

 

[Jiro2]

This kind of thing worries me. I'd always be afraid that I'd accidentally mess something up and update the real NAND, at which point the Gateway would be useless. Or alternatively, that Nintendo would create a special update to 7.0 that detects that it's trying to update an emulated NAND and works around that by somehow updating the real one anyway.

 

[inuyasha555]

This kind of thing worries me. I'd always be afraid that I'd accidentally mess something up and update the real NAND, at which point the Gateway would be useless. Or alternatively, that Nintendo would create a special update to 7.0 that detects that it's trying to update an emulated NAND and works around that by somehow updating the real one anyway.

It's loading the NAND from the SD so you only need to do that once, after you do it successfully then you shouldn't need to update any more NAND's until new updates are available.

Even if they could detect the emunand, you'd still be on 4.5 anyway so you could enjoy Gateway usage.

 

[tyons]

This kind of thing worries me. I'd always be afraid that I'd accidentally mess something up and update the real NAND, at which point the Gateway would be useless. Or alternatively, that Nintendo would create a special update to 7.0 that detects that it's trying to update an emulated NAND and works around that by somehow updating the real one anyway.

also, you should make a nand backup with the gateway, so if the worst happens and you update the console, you still have a chance to downgrade it.

 

[hashcheck1]

Also if you have the option of doing the hardware nand backup you can backup manually at 4.5 or through gateway and you have a safe backup of exploitable 3ds. I have a interesting issue where i already have a 3DSXL which was on 4.5 and has a 64gb SD Card. I have installed the hardware nand backup and have backups of 4.5 fw and updated to the latest 6.3 fw and can switch between. i use my 6.3(latest) firmware to buy eshop games and have bought quite a few and when i want to use my gateway i backup current 6.3(fw) so i have upto date eshop tickets(games) and all friends list etc and then flash 4.5 backup. I use the same SD card and when on 4.5 my bought games show but say have error on game launch saying i "need to redownload from eshop" my problem is if this new update requires my to update to 6.3 from 4.5 to create EMUNAND of 6.3 i will lose my eshop purchases. I am hoping they release a tool where i can use my existing 6.3(with eshop games) to convert into emunand.
Otherwise only option is to system transfer to another of my 3ds's and then run gateway process and transfer back.

 

[Vappy]

Considering paying someone with some soldering skills to install the NAND dump/flash mod for me... Don't trust myself to not accidentally update somehow.