Think before you buy !

[grossaffe]

It's a matter of value. When buying a gaming system, you expect a constant flow of games - you expect selection. With the N64, you had a selection of 10 best-sellers, 10 good games and 280 meh/bad ones - good luck playing that for 4-6 years before the next generation rolls in.

We had an N64 at release and we loved it, therefore it was a good console.

 

[Foxi4]

We had an N64 at release and we loved it, therefore it was a good console.

Uhh... No. You liking something doesn't make it a good system - not when the competition is miles ahead of it. It didn't have a lot of games for a reason and albeit it had strong hardware, it was designed poorly which caused little development interest, resulted in a small library and led to the PlayStation's overwhelming success. If you enjoy playing 10 games over and over, that's fine, but that doesn't make it a successful system - that's just you. It's a successful system when it succeeds in comparison to the competition and the N64 just doesn't.

 

[grossaffe]

Well, you got me, the PS1 was objectively better than the N64. Anyone who thinks that "better" and "worse" are subjective is stupid. Quantity over quality; who cares if it had several of the highest rated games of all time?

 

[Ethevion]

When buying a gaming system, you expect a constant flow of games - you expect selection.

See my point above about still playing the N64 after all these years.

 

[Foxi4]

Well, you got me, the PS1 was objectively better than the N64. Anyone who thinks that "better" and "worse" are subjective is stupid. Quantity over quality; who cares if it had several of the highest rated games of all time?

In comparison to all the terrible games it had? Yeah.

This is the problem with consoles that don't have a lot of good games - every playable one, even a mediocre one seems like a gift. GoldenEye was okay for it's time except y'know - Quake and Quake 2 were better. Mario 64 layed down the standards of 3D platforming except so many games followed suit that it's not even funny. LoZ may have shown how to do puzzle solving in 3D, but Tomb Rider and Soul Reaver did it better - nobody talks about the latter games. Why? Because they weren't a rarity.

LoZ: OoT, LoZ: MM, Mario64, Mario Kart, GoldenEye 64 and the likes were a rarity on the system. We remember them because we're glad they even existed just like you'd remember a sip of water from a toilet bowl as the best drink in your life after being stranded on a desert for a week.

Your feels don't matter though - you have to face reality and reality doesn't always match your feels.

See my point above about still playing the N64 after all these years.

Nostaligia is a cruel mistress plus "all five of them" is all I have to say. The system had 380-odd games total including Japanese ones - by now you should've gone through everything it has to offer... twice.

 

[grossaffe]

Foxi4 : I'm done with you in this thread. I'm sure we'll butt heads again in the future, though.

 

[Gahars]

Foxi4 : I'm done with you in this thread. I'm sure we'll butt heads again in the future, though.

I do love it when threads come with their own sequel hook.

 

[Ethevion]

Nostaligia is a cruel mistress plus "all five of them" is all I have to say. The system had 380-odd games total including Japanese ones - by now you should've gone through everything it has to offer... twice.

So nostalgia is the reason I said the games were good and nostalgia is the same reason I still enjoy playing them?
Also, why would I go through all of those games? I'm fine with a small selection that I enjoy. I don't need my console to have a thousand games for me to justify buying it.

 

[Thomas83Lin]

It's a matter of value. When buying a gaming system, you expect a constant flow of games - you expect selection. With the N64, you had a selection of 10 best-sellers, 10 good games and 280 meh/bad ones - good luck playing that for 4-6 years before the next generation rolls in.

I'm still paying some of them to this day, so what is your point here? and I'm not just talking about Zelda\Mario, I still enojy some like castlevania,Doom64 and afew others. Maybe I am just running on nostalgia but I suspect you just really dislike the N64 for some reason.

 

[Foxi4]

I'm still paying some of them to this day, so what is your point here? and I'm not just talking about Zelda\Mario, I still enojy some like castlevania,Doom64 and afew others. Maybe I am just running on nostalgia but I suspect you just really dislike the N64 for some reason.

Pretty sure that approach classifies as Retro Gaming though, it doesn't make the system "good" at the time of its release.

 

[Black-Ice]

I suspect you just really dislike the N64 for some reason.

Foxi4 probably took his controller and mario kart 64 to his friends place to play some games when the big local bully Billy stooped him and took his games.
Now he has a deep emotional hatred towards the 64, and has vowed to be a stronger gamer

 

[emigre]

I suspect you just really dislike the N64 for some reason.

There's a reason why we call him Foxi4Sony.

 

[Tom Bombadildo]

There's a reason why we call him Foxi4Sony.

Foxi4EveryConsole,ExceptSonyIsInfinitelyBetterThanNintendoh.

On topic sort of, what Foxi is trying to say is that the console itself flopped in its lifetime. You can call it good and say you play all the games ever on it still to this day, but that doesn't change the fact that compared to it's competition, the N64 was crap. It's fine to enjoy a bronze medal system, but don't paint the medal gold and call it a winner.

 

[Foxi4]

Foxi4 probably took his controller and mario kart 64 to his friends place to play some games when the big local bully Billy stooped him and took his games.
Now he has a deep emotional hatred towards the 64, and has vowed to be a stronger gamer

Impossible scenario because the N64 has no gaems. ;O;

 

[ShadowSoldier]

In comparison to all the terrible games it had? Yeah.

This is the problem with consoles that don't have a lot of good games - every playable one, even a mediocre one seems like a gift. GoldenEye was okay for it's time except y'know - Quake and Quake 2 were better. Mario 64 layed down the standards of 3D platforming except so many games followed suit that it's not even funny. LoZ may have shown how to do puzzle solving in 3D, but Tomb Rider and Soul Reaver did it better - nobody talks about the latter games. Why? Because they weren't a rarity.

LoZ: OoT, LoZ: MM, Mario64, Mario Kart, GoldenEye 64 and the likes were a rarity on the system. We remember them because we're glad they even existed just like you'd remember a sip of water from a toilet bowl as the best drink in your life after being stranded on a desert for a week.

Your feels don't matter though - you have to face reality and reality doesn't always match your feels.

Nostaligia is a cruel mistress plus "all five of them" is all I have to say. The system had 380-odd games total including Japanese ones - by now you should've gone through everything it has to offer... twice.

Mario Kart 64, Mario 64, Goldeneye, Majora's Mask are still phenomenal to this day and can easily be played by anyone. Hell, Goldeneye still gets used in tournaments today. That's one thing that I hate about this site, if someone plays an old game and says it's good, this site jumps the gun and automatically says:

"Oh you STILL like those games? No you don't. That's nostalgia talking"

tl;dr your post is garbage.

 

[retKHAAAN]

But...the Playstation could play compact discs. I couldn't listen to my new soundtrack for The Crow: City of Angels on the Nintendo 64...

 

[Ethevion]

Mario Kart 64, Mario 64, Goldeneye, Majora's Mask are still phenomenal to this day and can easily be played by anyone. Hell, Goldeneye still gets used in tournaments today. That's one thing that I hate about this site, if someone plays an old game and says it's good, this site jumps the gun and automatically says:

"Oh you STILL like those games? No you don't. That's nostalgia talking"

tl;dr your post is garbage.

+1000
No matter what you say, everyone is just going to say, "Well, you only think the games are good because your Level 80 Epic Nostalgia Goggles of Comfort are equipped."

 

[xist]

tl;dr your post is garbage.

No, the problem with this site is people like you who totally ignore the points being raised, twist the argument to suit your own subjective bias, and then rant about how other people are at fault.

Foxi is not denying that the N64 had a few games that would entertain it's owners. He's making the point that they've become treasured because in the desert of software they became the beacons of hope for N64 owners....people loved them that much more because that's all they had, whilst a system like the Playstation was swamped with choice making fanatic devotion much rarer.

Your argument is about as ridiculous as proclaiming the CDi was in fact awesome because it had a couple of entertaining games....but, but, but Lords of the Rising Sun and Burn:Cycle were really fun and that means the CDi was unfairly maligned....No. Mario Kart 64 is about as phenomenal today as it's amazing rubber band AI...

 

[Foxi4]

+1000
No matter what you say, everyone is just going to say, "Well, you only think the games are good because your Level 80 Epic Nostalgia Goggles of Comfort are equipped."

I never said the games were bad, I said the system was. They were/are good games - I'm not disputing that, but that does not make the N64 a good piece of hardware.

 

[FAST6191]

Mario Kart 64, Mario 64, Goldeneye, Majora's Mask are still phenomenal to this day and can easily be played by anyone. Hell, Goldeneye still gets used in tournaments today. That's one thing that I hate about this site, if someone plays an old game and says it's good, this site jumps the gun and automatically says:

"Oh you STILL like those games? No you don't. That's nostalgia talking"

I am not sure Goldeneye being used as a tournament title warrants any great merit. I grant that on the scale of stupid stuff that has been made into a competition it is not even close to out there, though the decision to go with goldeneye multiplayer when Perfect Dark multiplayer exists is an oversight I will not soon forgive.

Mario Kart 64... for my money it is largely broken on the multiplayer front and even though the ones after it do it better they are still broken too.

Also I am not sure if anybody has ever said that about older games. The usual policy is like whatever you like as long as it is not hurting others (up to and including things made in especially poor taste), if you are going to try selling the rest of us on the item in question though you had better bring serious ammo and/or be prepared to see your suggestion ridiculed (albeit with reasons). I do not doubt the ammo has to be far fiercer for the likes of 32 bit era console 3d, full movement ones especially, but it is not excluded.

"Phenomenal to this day"... actually I am not sure. Again going back to my little "games I would use to demonstrate gaming" they would certainly not included on the list, history sure but not actual play.

To return to the other bit you may also be reaching somewhat -- this site is all about the GBA and DS and both of those were basically where old styles of games went to sometimes have a new lease on life but more often die.